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Alcibiades wrote:

By which I mean that now every Imperial army is going to have either lots of grav or Mechanicus or SM allies with lots of grav. It's going to be very boring.

You say that like they don't already do that , particularly in regards to grav spam.

We don't already do that :p

Grav models are expensive things.

Erm. Moreso than usual.

I'm getting Grav-Bikes.


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My army can do:

Command Squad w/Bikes, 5x Gravgun, 5x Meltabomb [225 pts]
Devastators w/4x Grav-Cannon, Combi-Grav, Drop Pod [255 pts]

Suck it, Tau.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Don't forget to use Devastators doctrine. Since a skyhammer as anything but Ultramarines is heresy.

>Recommends Ultra CTs to a Son of Dorn
>Non-Ultra Skyhammer = heresy

LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SMURF...

 Lobukia wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour

Here's the challenge, without using allies or going unbound, and given 900 points, what legal list can you come up with that can drop the big guy before being killed?

Space Marines:

CAD:
Libby with Grav-Pistol
Scouts
Scouts

Skyhammer:
Devastators with 4x Grav Cannon, 1x combi-Grav
Devastators with 4x Grav Cannon, 1x combi-Grav
Assaults with Jump Packs, grav-pistol on sgt
Assaults with Jump Packs, grav-pistol on sgt


900 points on the dot. This easily should kill the XV139, as it only requires 35 TL BS4 grav shots to kill it on average. Using UM tactics, this has 46 TL BS4 grav shots and 3 more from pistols that re-roll ones. The libby also has psychic scream for more wounds.

Revenant titan. 4 d blasts per turn, moves faster, invun save, and missiles to deal with ground support. Don't even need the full 900.

Skyhammer here skyhammer there... Is nobody considering that all tau armies have multiple riptides with EWO? I don't think that skyhammer is the response to this thing. Bike gravs maybe, or kataphron destroyers i they get first turn. but skyhammer not so much.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Go my land speeder storms, blind it! Blind itttt!

Lol forgot that thing does that.

From a Dark Angels perspective, the Hammer of Caliban looks like a decent choice:

Techmarine with servitors on a land Raider (armed with lascannons)... And three predators with lascannons.. Or possibly vindicators... Trick would be keeping them alive long enough to finish the big guy off..

Scatbikes and Wraithknights?

Heck, go unbound, take two WK.

So I don't know how effective it would be but it sure would be hilarious to use Genestealers to bring this guy down.

I just threw this together

Take the Broodlords Hunting Pack formation from the Dataslate
fill each brood with 20 genestealers and infiltrate to surround the suit. (6" away)

Not sure. May not be enough. Though would be funny.

^Sure, if there was no bubble wrap and assuming the Tau, for some reason, didn't engage in their signature overwatch shenanigans.

Seems a lot of people think the solution is dropping a bunch of guys next to it, when Overwatch and Intercepting are some of Tau's most valuable tricks.

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Skyhammer here skyhammer there... Is nobody considering that all tau armies have multiple riptides with EWO? I don't think that skyhammer is the response to this thing. Bike gravs maybe, or kataphron destroyers i they get first turn. but skyhammer not so much.

How many Interceptides can they run when they've also dumped 600 points into a Supremacy suit? And without leaving them critically vulnerable in other areas?

Seems like the Supremacy suit would actually replace Riptides as they do a similar thing.

LucidNinja wrote:

 oni wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Imperial Knights

+1

Sorry guys but Min legal Ik army is 975 points. If it got into cc with a gallant or 2 though lawl

Minimum legal army with an Imperial Knight is 350 points:

Inquisitorial detachment: Ordo whatever Inquisitor, 25 pts (warlord)
Oathsworn detachment: Knight Gallant. 325 pts.

Min legal army for IK is 325 points:

Unbound Detachment:
1x Cheapest Knight

I notice your countering a lot of "drop in and shoot" style approaches but have yet to say anything regarding the revenant. It's a valid counter. LOW vrs LOW.

one on one - your tau "supremacy" armor is going to learn real quick what REAL supremacy is.

My revenant has taken down warhounds, stompas, bio Titans, baneblades all in single turns. It's even managed to take out a reaver titan (took 3 turns, had some flier support and it was pretty bashed up itself, but in the end the rev "limped" off field while the reaver was a smoldering crater.) he's also wracked up more MC and General kills then I care to count, including multiple wraith knights. (Once he tallied 3 in one game)

I have zero concern this new tau suit will provide anything more then a mild annoyance and another tick on the scorecard for the rev. (Wich is converted to dark eldar standards)

I'm nnot suggesting using Mechanicus Breachers against this (they would be inefficient in any case), but the special d3 wounds that torsion cannons do would be done normally against this, wouldn't they?

 DarthSpader wrote:
I notice your countering a lot of "drop in and shoot" style approaches but have yet to say anything regarding the revenant. It's a valid counter. LOW vrs LOW.

one on one - your tau "supremacy" armor is going to learn real quick what REAL supremacy is.

My revenant has taken down warhounds, stompas, bio Titans, baneblades all in single turns. It's even managed to take out a reaver titan (took 3 turns, had some flier support and it was pretty bashed up itself, but in the end the rev "limped" off field while the reaver was a smoldering crater.) he's also wracked up more MC and General kills then I care to count, including multiple wraith knights. (Once he tallied 3 in one game)

I have zero concern this new tau suit will provide anything more then a mild annoyance and another tick on the scorecard for the rev. (Wich is converted to dark eldar standards)

Bragging about a titan which is universally declared the most overpowered Titan in the game for a long while now and how it's a counter seems.. at best, silly, and at worst, moronic.

"WHO CARES ABOUT THE SECOND MOST RIDICULOUS UNIT WHEN I HAVE THE FIRST AND IT'S SUPER AMAZING GUYS."

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

LucidNinja wrote:

 oni wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Imperial Knights

+1

Sorry guys but Min legal Ik army is 975 points. If it got into cc with a gallant or 2 though lawl

Minimum legal army with an Imperial Knight is 350 points:

Inquisitorial detachment: Ordo whatever Inquisitor, 25 pts (warlord)
Oathsworn detachment: Knight Gallant. 325 pts.

I stand corrected...and shocked at just how broken 40k is atm (been absent since early 4th Ed)
As OP said nothing unbound.
Now to go be that guy with a crusader knight and tooled up inquisitor in a 500 point army

Welcome to 7th ed! The game that made me start moving to 6mm!


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When a Warlord Titan is less than a third of your points in an average game, it really puts things in perspective...

 Selym wrote:
Welcome to 7th ed! The game that made me start moving to 6mm!


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When a Warlord Titan is less than a third of your points in an average game, it really puts things in perspective...

Why are you playing 7500 pt games?

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Welcome to 7th ed! The game that made me start moving to 6mm!


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When a Warlord Titan is less than a third of your points in an average game, it really puts things in perspective...

Why are you playing 7500 pt games?

Did he mean Warhound Titan? That might make more sense. I get them mixed up all the time.

I meant Epic 40k. Tbf I wasn't very clear.

Warlords are 850 points there, and games are around 3k points. 650 points for 10 Russes.

LucidNinja wrote:

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

LucidNinja wrote:

 oni wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Imperial Knights

+1

Sorry guys but Min legal Ik army is 975 points. If it got into cc with a gallant or 2 though lawl

Minimum legal army with an Imperial Knight is 350 points:

Inquisitorial detachment: Ordo whatever Inquisitor, 25 pts (warlord)
Oathsworn detachment: Knight Gallant. 325 pts.

I stand corrected...and shocked at just how broken 40k is atm (been absent since early 4th Ed)
As OP said nothing unbound.
Now to go be that guy with a crusader knight and tooled up inquisitor in a 500 point army

Nah, really you just want to get a few psyker henchmen and hope for invisibility. Prescience is also nice on a shooty knight like Crusader.

Inquisitorial Detachment (65pts)
HQ (25pts)
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor (25pts)
Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Chainsword
Elites (40pts)
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband (40pts)
4x Psyker

Oathsworn Detachment (435pts)
Knight Crusader (435pts)
Rapid-fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber, Meltagun

I see your KX-139 and raise you An'ggrath, the Unbound

888pts

Flying Gargantuan Creature

8 Wounds T8 2+/3++ save with FnP

10 AP 2 +D6 attacks on charge

2+ Deny the Witch



Pure death to super heavies

Mein. Gott.

Just don't get shot up by the Tau on T1, and you're set.
Harder than it sounds...

My vote goes to 6x Gabriel Seth. If he can't do it, then nobody can!

Naw wrote:
My vote goes to 6x Gabriel Seth. If he can't do it, then nobody can!

Wow. The first list posted that's actually illegal. lol.

How about 11 Penitent Engines, all in separate squadrons?

Die bubblewrap die!

Naw wrote:
My vote goes to 6x Gabriel Seth. If he can't do it, then nobody can!

Wouldn't he be Unique due to being a Special Character?

I'm also pretty sure those big stompy robots can do anything he can't do.