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As the rules currently stand, it is an "every thing goes" policy from GW. Though every local community has its own implementation of the new rules. While unbound (as far as I can tell) is widely discouraged. Mixing of detachments and formations has become accepted. People can still bring some impressive things to the table using only Combined Arms Detachments. Though it is always the option to refuse a game, you are never forced to play. In my area it still feels like Imperial Knights are frowned upon (last time I showed up, I got a few groans from the locals, and I was the odd man out so I didn't get a game in). Do I even dare bring my Warhound titan? Would people only play against it if their opponent gave them warning in advance? At what point do people draw the line? While it is fun for me to play with the big toys (growing up on giant mecha anime ~shrug~), I also enjoy watching them being defeated in a well fought game. I know for many others its a different matter entirely.

so what units do you refuse to fight on open gaming night? What would you fight if you knew it would be there in advance?

At our community all FW goes that's about all I can say I don't play there. Usually it's just my friends playing and so far nothing has been banned or changed.

Anything and everything. If I can't over power it, or outmaneuver it, then I will have a learning experience to draw from

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Anything and everything. If I can't over power it, or outmaneuver it, then I will have a learning experience to draw from

Wait you refuse to play against every LoW? What's wrong with Ghaz, Big Blue, and Doggy Santa?

 Happyjew wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Anything and everything. If I can't over power it, or outmaneuver it, then I will have a learning experience to draw from

Wait you refuse to play against every LoW? What's wrong with Ghaz, Big Blue, and Doggy Santa?

I believe he meant that he will play against every LoW. That being said, I agree with this notion. If a list has a lord of war that gives me a hard time, my list needs work, not my opponents.

Ghazghkull. He's too OP.



I kid, I kid.
I'm ok with all of them, really.

Anything more expensive than a Baneblade variant. Your Titans belong in a 6000 point slaughter, not a 1500 point game.

There's nothing I strictly won't play against.

But even speaking as an Eldar player, if you take a Wraithknight to anything below 2000 points I will actually field a block of mature cheddar to counteract it.

I'll play against anything, but I'd prefer advance notice or high (2000+) point game if my opponent took anything really tough. A titan or more than a couple of knights, for example.

No lord of war is more broken than Invisibility and I play against that stupid power all the time.

I will play any low as long as my opponent respects the 1/4 of the army rule from 30 k.

The Tuna super battlesuit for now. I'll be just fine with playing against it once I get a revenant titan though.

In my club we only play super heavies in APOC. In regular games I am OK with LOW characters but not super heavies. In my opinion they don't belong in normal games but that works fine here because my club is mostly like minded.

I guess it all depends on what it is and what I'm bringing. At the current time, with most of my armies, unless I'm running my Eldar, I'm almost certainly going to pass on any game against Necrons, and many against Eldar or Space Marines, depending on what's in the list. No point in playing a game that's basically pre-determined.

With regards to Lords of War, it likewise depends on *what* it is, and what it's armed with. If it's a Warhound with a a Vulcan Megabolter and a Plasma Blastgun, sure, I'll play that. If it's a Warhound with two duble-barrelled turbo-lasters tossing around four 5" D-plieplates a turn, not gonna bother. Stompa? Sure. Stompa stuffed with Mekboyz and relic 4++ field thingy? I'll pass. Single Wraithknight in a footslogging Guardian Eldar army? Sure. Double-CAD scatterbike spam list with two Wraithknights and a Warlock formation? Pass. Baneblade or Lord of Skulls? Sure, bring it on. Reaver with carapace Vulcan Megabolter, a Titan powerfist, and a Gatling Blaster? Sure, I'll deal with that. Reaver Titan with two Laser Blasters and carapace Tubo-laser tossing out 8 5" D pieplates? Pass.

That said, what I find to be just as egregious as many SH/GC units are Deathstar units. A TWC ball with FNP and a boatload of wound allocation gimmicks and psychic support, or gobs of Necron Wraiths, is an auto-pilot army that takes no real ability to run because your opponent can't inflict any meaningful harm, and you have the speed to dictate when and where you engage, and the multi-asssault possibilities can be truly absurd.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I guess it all depends on what it is and what I'm bringing. At the current time, with most of my armies, unless I'm running my Eldar, I'm almost certainly going to pass on any game against Necrons, and many against Eldar or Space Marines, depending on what's in the list. No point in playing a game that's basically pre-determined.

With regards to Lords of War, it likewise depends on *what* it is, and what it's armed with. If it's a Warhound with a a Vulcan Megabolter and a Plasma Blastgun, sure, I'll play that. If it's a Warhound with two duble-barrelled turbo-lasters tossing around four 5" D-plieplates a turn, not gonna bother. Stompa? Sure. Stompa stuffed with Mekboyz and relic 4++ field thingy? I'll pass. Single Wraithknight in a footslogging Guardian Eldar army? Sure. Double-CAD scatterbike spam list with two Wraithknights and a Warlock formation? Pass. Baneblade or Lord of Skulls? Sure, bring it on. Reaver with carapace Vulcan Megabolter, a Titan powerfist, and a Gatling Blaster? Sure, I'll deal with that. Reaver Titan with two Laser Blasters and carapace Tubo-laser tossing out 8 5" D pieplates? Pass.

That said, what I find to be just as egregious as many SH/GC units are Deathstar units. A TWC ball with FNP and a boatload of wound allocation gimmicks and psychic support, or gobs of Necron Wraiths, is an auto-pilot army that takes no real ability to run because your opponent can't inflict any meaningful harm, and you have the speed to dictate when and where you engage, and the multi-asssault possibilities can be truly absurd.

Said all I wanted to say.

I'll play against anything.

Are we playing for something competitively? I'd like clarity on the LoW situation going in. (At least the legality and such of what I could theoretically run into.)

If we're just playing a random game, have your fun. I win plenty competitively as is, I don't mind being a training dummy for you to practice your Titan. If it's an obvious mismatch, I would at least suggest using an objective based mission (ie NOT purge) so the Titan has something to worry about.

Playing actual tournies has made me super mellow about random pick up games, so I let people gang up, play extra points, run Titans, whatever they want.

Infantry Lord of Wars are all in, none of them appear to be explicitly broken. Wraithknights are broken and undercosted, but not impossible to beat.

One thing I am adamantly opposed to are formations that allow multiple Lord of Wars in armies that don't need them. Imperial Knights are a bit different since that is all they have. There is no reason multiple Wraithknights should be able to be fielded. If the Riptide gets moved to the Lord of War slot, the same goes for them.

NONE, unless Apoc.

Played against an imperial titan those bigger ones that just fit in 2k a while back. It was kinda funny, it vaporised most of my orks, then my tank busta's started gluing melta bombz to it and it went KABOOM in a few rounds of combat. t was more fun then playing against the "perfectly fine" power / competitive lists. So yeah I would play against them all at least once to see if it can be done to kill it. If they turn out to be just as horrible as screamerstars I would ask the player not to bring the model again against me outside large scale games -> appoc.
The Low restrictions in tournaments to keep them fair is just a silly way to protect some of the OP lists that rule today and can't face LoW's. If my orks can kill it anyone should be able to kill it..


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I ran an 4++ Klaw stompa, with S6 ap3 hellstorm flamer, 12"auto charge and stuffed with meks for a while. All my other ork usual codex options got nerfed to oblivion, other armies got ridiculously buffed so I guessed why not. If they can use powerful units so can I. It felt great for a while. My orks finally won some games again and the rest of my army was suddenly fearless . Is it unkillable or did it get me near 1st place on semi casual tournaments nope. It actually died in a lot of games, and most of the time the rest of my army was shot down in turn 3 leaving me with a single hard to manoeuvre monster that fears melta, close combat D and could only get 1 objective at a time. I used it against the harder opponents, and those games where actually closer matched then any games I played against them with the new codex. But it got old in a month. Playing 40k godzilla style is just not that fun. Now it is shelved with the rest of my orks.

Usually we don't (as only 1 player has a super-heavy), but after the mini-tourney we attented to, maybe we'll start proxying them and even buying or 2 for the fun (I'm tempted to buy the KX139, but I'll wait for the IA14)

I'm of the opinion that GW should never have ditched the original* restriction, so I still stick to it: A Lord of War cannot cost more than 25% of the army total.

* FW invented the Lord of War slot for the Horus Heresy books.

Well, I personally enjoy fielding Draigo with my GK, so this pot has no intention on calling kettles' black!

SJ

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
NONE, unless Apoc.

Draigo/Ghaz/Grimnar too scary for you?

Yeah, I meant I would play all of them, not deny them.

I have one day a month to wargame, so I want to get as many games in as possible. The big guns help make the game go by at a pace that allows me to get 3-4 in a day and still have time to eat

I usually don't mind facing one or two LOW in an army. Its when your entire army is JUST Imperial Knights, that I get upset because I can't win unless I purposefully spam every anti-tank weapon I can get. Plus its usually boring to play against.

I do have some butterflies in my stomach about the new Tau LOW, but I think that those will subside after actually getting to play a game against one of them.

I am not really interested in fighting Titans but I will gladly face anything roughly comparable to an Imperial Knight (including Wraithknights, Stompas, etc).

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
NONE, unless Apoc.

Draigo/Ghaz/Grimnar too scary for you?

My army hates draigo with centurions and friends.

 Gashrog wrote:
I'm of the opinion that GW should never have ditched the original* restriction, so I still stick to it: A Lord of War cannot cost more than 25% of the army total.

* FW invented the Lord of War slot for the Horus Heresy books.

except that 25% total rule feths armies that have crappy overcosted LOW (which they cant take under your 25% rule) and gives a huge advantage to armies that have the OP undercosted LOW like WK's..

Ejderhare wrote:

except that 25% total rule feths armies that have crappy overcosted LOW (which they cant take under your 25% rule) and gives a huge advantage to armies that have the OP undercosted LOW like WK's..

Then the problem is the overcosted and undercosted stuff, not the 25% rule!

Depends on the point level. I don't have a problem with most LoWs provided there is only one unless we are officially playing Apoc. I wont play against elder titans below 3k points but in return I wont play a primarch below 3k either, same will likely go for the new Tau titan not that I expect to see one in my main group since I am the only one who plays Tau.