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In general, No.
Races tend to have different cultural ties and different customs.
Just go compare say, a country(A Very White Genre) song about partying, like "Kick The Dust Up" to a Hip Hop/Rap(Arguably still a Black Genre) party song.
One is about a rowdy, but simple party in the cornfield, even with a line about how expensive bars are. To many Rap party songs, which showcase wealth and money
Each one is demonstrably different.
Racial Culture is very much a thing

Have you listened to country music in the last decade?

It's just like rap: get drunk, feth girls, flash your favorite brands (trucks instead of SUVs), hang with your crew.

I guess the station I listen to didnt play those Songs.
But my point still stands, Race Does have cultural lines. And While it can come over(Twerking used to be in Black Culture exclusively) each race has a demonstrably different culture.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
In general, No.
Races tend to have different cultural ties and different customs.
Just go compare say, a country(A Very White Genre) song about partying, like "Kick The Dust Up" to a Hip Hop/Rap(Arguably still a Black Genre) party song.
One is about a rowdy, but simple party in the cornfield, even with a line about how expensive bars are. To many Rap party songs, which showcase wealth and money
Each one is demonstrably different.
Racial Culture is very much a thing

Okay. So both genres have songs about partying. I'm not saying that there aren't differences in cultural among certain demographics in the US, but that doesn't mean there aren't major cultural trends that are shared.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I guess the station I listen to didnt play those Songs.
But my point still stands, Race Does have cultural lines. And While it can come over(Twerking used to be in Black Culture exclusively) each race has a demonstrably different culture.

Kind of. Cultural differences aren't necessarily an indication that there is no shared cultural. If anything, the overlap would indicate that culture is shared. That doesn't mean that every person in every demographic does the same things all the time though either.

Yes, they both have songs about partying, but with different ideas, one Tends to be low budget(Atleast my experiance with country) and more about relaxing. While the other one is about Affluence and what could be argued as wish fufillment.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I guess the station I listen to didnt play those Songs.
But my point still stands, Race Does have cultural lines. And While it can come over(Twerking used to be in Black Culture exclusively) each race has a demonstrably different culture.

Kind of. Cultural differences aren't necessarily an indication that there is no shared cultural. If anything, the overlap would indicate that culture is shared. That doesn't mean that every person in every demographic does the same things all the time though either.

Ok, but even if cultures have shared ideas(Every culture has partying) then if we have different ideas of partying among different people, then that is multiculturalism. Not having Multiculturalism would mean only one form of partying is considered "OK" to give a simplified answer

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yes, they both have songs about partying, but with different ideas, one Tends to be low budget(Atleast my experiance with country) and more about relaxing. While the other one is about Affluence and what could be argued as wish fufillment.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I guess the station I listen to didnt play those Songs.
But my point still stands, Race Does have cultural lines. And While it can come over(Twerking used to be in Black Culture exclusively) each race has a demonstrably different culture.

Kind of. Cultural differences aren't necessarily an indication that there is no shared cultural. If anything, the overlap would indicate that culture is shared. That doesn't mean that every person in every demographic does the same things all the time though either.

Ok, but even if cultures have shared ideas(Every culture has partying) then if we have different ideas of partying among different people, then that is multiculturalism. Not having Multiculturalism would mean only one form of partying is considered "OK" to give a simplified answer

That's not necessarily what multiculturalism means, and that's not how Jeb Bush meant it either.

Ok, what does "Multi-culturalism" mean and why is it a bad thing?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, what does "Multi-culturalism" mean and why is it a bad thing?

I never said it was a bad thing.

So, when Jeb Bush was talking about multiculturalism, this is what he said:

"We're a pluralistic society. We're diverse, we have people that come from everywhere," he told reporters before a campaign event here. "We're not multicultural. We have a set of shared values that defines our national identity, and we should never veer away from that because that creates the extraordinary nature of our country."

Now, you can agree with him, or not, but he wasn't defining multiculturalism as simply tolerance for other cultures. My impression was more that he was making a "melting pot" vs "salad bowl" type comparison. You could argue that both are versions of multiculturalism, but I think his point was that in a melting pot model the cultures blend together into one mass, while in a salad bowl model they are surrounded by each other but remain distinct and do not mix, which based on his quote, seems to be what he was describing when he said that we're not multicultural.

I certainly think Jeb Bush could have articulated his point better, but I'm not ready to say that he's completely wrong either (although I can see valid arguments either way). My point is that, whether we are multicultural or not, and whether we are a melting pot or a salad bowl or some combination of the two, it doesn't necessarily follow that only one form of partying (or any other cultural practice) is okay and others are not. For example, if we are a melting pot, and pluralism and diversity are cultural norms, then it would certainly be possible to have multiple forms of partying or multiple forms of cultural expression that are considered okay, particularly if appreciation of a variety of cultural practices is in and of itself a shared cultural norm.

Many Sociologists have veered away from the melting pot theory because of several things
1: Respect for cultures and where people come from. It assumes that eventually your culture will melt away into a void, be assimilated or repressed(The melting pot was a common analogy when the Irish moved here, and look at what happened when they tried to fit in
2: Its dilutes distinct cultural traits, and meshes them(Or sometimes forces) together. Sometimes bad, sometimes not, like Tex mex)
In nerd terms, The Melting Pot is the Borg, while the Salad Bowl is the Federation. A Myriad of things working together for a better outcome, but still distinct.

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I can't help but think that a lot of these, perhaps all of them, are indicative of "White America". Which brings me back to my original question: What is American culture?

As "White America" remains the majority, would that not suffice?

Ok then, why should white america be American Culture?

Well, there are several reasons, none of which have anything to do with race. Its the majority and its the most established. So it would make sense for that to be the foundations everything would get based on.

So, White America, Being the Majority, therefor has the right of deciding culture.
By that same logic, sense Hispanics are a growing majority in california and Texas, they should decide culture there right?

They already are.

And they are a Majority there, so therefor by that logic, they must have the right to decide the prevailing culture right?

They're not a majority yet.

Seems like it in Cali
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
Granted, kinda small
But does that mean that they now have the right to make the cultural decisions in cali?

All of them, no. A good chunk of them, yes.

So then, it is perfectly fine for jobs to require you to speak spanish in california?

Depends on the job. It could definitely be a requirement.

So then, there is no problem then for people coming in and only keeping spanish? OR just a little english?

No, they still need to learn English. Language =/= Culture.

That is VERY Arguable. Language is very much a part of culture. Heck, even vernacular.

It is part of culture, but its also its own thing. Language is not a inseparable part of the culture, and culture is not dependent on language.

So then, thought experiment, if suddenly, spanish was our main language, or french, do you think our culture would stay intact the way it is.

If you magically changed the language and nobody knew the switch occured, there would indeed be no difference.

True, that was a failed thought experiment.
Actually, Spanish was brought over by spain to south america, and it could be argued that they kept much of their culture intact.
I retract my statement.

Race does not define or determine culture.

But, Races do tend to have a culture all of their own.

I definitely agree with hotsauce about races having there own culture. But I have a observation that may make me look like a racist.

I've noticed blacks when not in large numbers tend to not sag pants, talk like they are in the ghetto and various other things. But when you get larger amounts together they start doing these things. Basically becoming a certain stereo type.

Now do you think that's a cultural thing. For example when in small numbers they just become the local culture. But when in larger numbers they start going to there own perceived culture.