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I could see ion heads working okay in the armoured formation. It solves some of their issues. A few markerlights and they wouldn't be terrible at all imo.

I ran a mini crisis star tonight, 6 fse suits, buffmander with tanking gear as well and some ablative drones. Ran the suits with missile pods and target locks. Effectively the unit was like two full broadside teams, except it can move. Kill count was like 8 Razorbacks, three dark angel fighters and 2 squads of 5 tac marines.

So they probably just made their points back as the Razorbacks were free! :p

I think this mini buffstar would go well with Piranha Friestream:

+++ New Roster (422pts) +++

+ Formation (248pts) +

Ethereal Council (248pts) [Aun'Va]
Ethereal [2x MV4 Shield Drone]
Ethereal [2x MV4 Shield Drone]

++ Tau Empire: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (174pts) ++

+ HQ (174pts) +

Commander (174pts) [2x MV4 Shield Drone]
XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [Early Warning Override, Onager Gauntlet, 2x Plasma Rifle, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]

 Grizzyzz wrote:

Your not helping this thread when you don't know rules. He can join a squad of drones and also have 2 of his own with him.

Cheers!

Please note that the proper place to quote rules from is the book in question, not from your butt.



The rule allowing you to remove drones and return them to play specifically references HIS drones - i.e. the ones purchased as wargear.

Edit: Oh, and let's head this thing off at the pass, while I'm pissed.

I'm actually confident that you can LoS since you LoS wounds and that effect goes off when you take the grounding wound.

LoS is triggered when a model is allocated a wound. Models that fail grounding tests are not allocated a wound, and as such aren't allowed LoS rolls no matter what their drones are doing at the time.

Yeah, its his drones, not just any drones in his unit

Sorry I started that lil tangent - It would be great but sadly isn't to be.

With the updated rules stating (I think?) that both regular and FSE sig systems can be mixed, are there any good ones to include with a Commander in a FSE CAD? I'm assuming the Puretide Engram Chip is gold.

 raverrn wrote:

The rule allowing you to remove drones and return them to play specifically references HIS drones - i.e. the ones purchased as wargear.

I think you are correct here, and have no issue stating when I am wrong. You can see where the confusion would arise since a Coldstar can join a unit of drones, forming a unit with him.. so what then, he has 2 drones, joins a unit of drones, and when swoops leaves the non wargear drones on the table (even tho at that moment they are drones in HIS unit?

 raverrn wrote:

Edit: Oh, and let's head this thing off at the pass, while I'm pissed.

I'm actually confident that you can LoS since you LoS wounds and that effect goes off when you take the grounding wound.

LoS is triggered when a model is allocated a wound. Models that fail grounding tests are not allocated a wound, and as such aren't allowed LoS rolls no matter what their drones are doing at the time.

I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Allied Advance Cadre and what they think of it. Seems contingent on there being a lot of woods around...

Alcibiades wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Allied Advance Cadre and what they think of it. Seems contingent on there being a lot of woods around...

I have not, but once again, GW is trying to push bulk models.. To be effective you have to infest in fairly decent sized units.

Bottom line, you won't see it in competitive games.. I personally don't think it will be good in casual games (outside of fluffy fun) because as you stated, its so dependent on specific cover. I know my FLGS has basically no woods.

Then again, that's a lot of BS4 sniper shots.

 Grizzyzz wrote:


This is not that clear. When you are grounded you take a s8 ap2 automatic Wound. Which then on pg 100 it states "when you take a wound (character) you may choose to LoS that on a 4+" (2+ with IC). RAI its clear they want it to be in shooting and assault phases, because of the titles, but that is not explicit in the rule itself.

Your citing half rules. LoS requires the model to be allocated a wound.

When a Wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he is allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

Grounding is not allocation.

If a 1 or 2 is rolled, the beast comes crashing down to the ground – it suffers a single Strength 9 hit with no armour or cover saves allowed,

So, no you cannot LoS a grounding test. Not to mention, while he is Swooping, his drones are not on the battlefield and he does not become Grounded until after the hit is resolved. So there are no models within 6" to LoS to.

Fragile wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:


This is not that clear. When you are grounded you take a s8 ap2 automatic Wound. Which then on pg 100 it states "when you take a wound (character) you may choose to LoS that on a 4+" (2+ with IC). RAI its clear they want it to be in shooting and assault phases, because of the titles, but that is not explicit in the rule itself.

Your citing half rules. LoS requires the model to be allocated a wound.

When a Wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he is allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

Grounding is not allocation.

If a 1 or 2 is rolled, the beast comes crashing down to the ground – it suffers a single Strength 9 hit with no armour or cover saves allowed,

So, no you cannot LoS a grounding test. Not to mention, while he is Swooping, his drones are not on the battlefield and he does not become Grounded until after the hit is resolved. So there are no models within 6" to LoS to.

So if a wound is not allocated how can you make an invul save then? If you take any sort of hit or automatic wound.. its still a wound that is allocated to the model..

I don't have my book with me, but when you fail a grounding check from what I remember, you are immediately grounded (which if true would bring the drones back), and by being grounded, you take the hit.

if you want high bs sniper shots, take sniper drones. Theyre BS5, 48" rapid fire for dirt cheap and have stealth.

Kroot only have Troop status over them...thats it lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
if you want high bs sniper shots, take sniper drones. Theyre BS5, 48" rapid fire for dirt cheap and have stealth.

Kroot only have Troop status over them...thats it lol

I just wish they had a plastic kit for them =/ I am guessing you can't make them out of the new drone kits? Can you make anything aside from gun drones out of those kits ?

No idea, i dont know anyone that even NEEDS new drones lol. I have like 30 gun drones lying around without bases just waiting for conversion or proper bases to be gun drones.

Making a sniper drone wouldnt be that hard. Even if you didnt buy any breachers youre bound to have several pulse rifles lying around, just have one center-aligned pulse rifle count as a sniper and give it some fins going backwards from the gun at an angle. Again, something you probably have lying around (i know i do)
The spotter could just be the binocular guy found in hammerhead/skyray kits lol

You could possibly use the rail rifles from the pathfinder kit, then attach to marker drone chassis.

 Grizzyzz wrote:

So if a wound is not allocated how can you make an invul save then? If you take any sort of hit or automatic wound.. its still a wound that is allocated to the model...

"Invulnerable saves are different to armor saves because they may always be taken whenever a model suffers a wound..."Emphasis mine.

Listen, 'Grizzyzz', "Your [sic] not helping this thread when you don't know rules."

 raverrn wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:

So if a wound is not allocated how can you make an invul save then? If you take any sort of hit or automatic wound.. its still a wound that is allocated to the model...

"Invulnerable saves are different to armor saves because they may always be taken whenever a model suffers a wound..."Emphasis mine.

Listen, 'Grizzyzz', "Your [sic] not helping this thread when you don't know rules."

Wow your still salty even tho I said I was wrong and PMd you apologizing for calling you out. Nice..

Moving on.

I think bringing up this question was perfectly valid. Having the option to LoS would greatly benefit cold star.

Checking the brb. A failed grounding test would place him into swooping postion which would place his drones back on the table, whether or not he actually takes the wound, which means if he pops his drones will still be there on the table.

 Grizzyzz wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:

So if a wound is not allocated how can you make an invul save then? If you take any sort of hit or automatic wound.. its still a wound that is allocated to the model...

"Invulnerable saves are different to armor saves because they may always be taken whenever a model suffers a wound..."Emphasis mine.

Listen, 'Grizzyzz', "Your [sic] not helping this thread when you don't know rules."

Wow your still salty even tho I said I was wrong and PMd you apologizing for calling you out. Nice..

Moving on.

I think bringing up this question was perfectly valid. Having the option to LoS would greatly benefit cold star.

Checking the brb. A failed grounding test would place him into swooping postion which would place his drones back on the table, whether or not he actually takes the wound, which means if he pops his drones will still be there on the table.

This is correct, and with regards to LoS, the only stipulation is that the character is that they be hit and wounded, and that a friendly model in their unit is within 6" Therefore it tracks that a grounding test can be LoS to a drone

Doesnt really make him any more competitive. Majority of weapons with skyfire will splat him, thats the biggest issue. Grounding tests causing an epic faceplant of death is just a comical issue thats common enough to pay attention to.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Doesnt really make him any more competitive. Majority of weapons with skyfire will splat him, thats the biggest issue. Grounding tests causing an epic faceplant of death is just a comical issue thats common enough to pay attention to.

I completely agree. No top8 list will have him regardless but it's nice to know your options!

 Grizzyzz wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:

So if a wound is not allocated how can you make an invul save then? If you take any sort of hit or automatic wound.. its still a wound that is allocated to the model...

"Invulnerable saves are different to armor saves because they may always be taken whenever a model suffers a wound..."Emphasis mine.

Listen, 'Grizzyzz', "Your [sic] not helping this thread when you don't know rules."

Wow your still salty even tho I said I was wrong and PMd you apologizing for calling you out. Nice..

Moving on.

I think bringing up this question was perfectly valid. Having the option to LoS would greatly benefit cold star.

Checking the brb. A failed grounding test would place him into swooping postion which would place his drones back on the table, whether or not he actually takes the wound, which means if he pops his drones will still be there on the table.

You can take this to YDMC if you like. You take the hit, and then become grounded. Drones come back after the hit is resolved. Regardless, its moot since he cannot LOS that wound away.

So if I take the Stingwings and Kroot and win an ITC event, will someone like them then?

Like lets say there was a tournament coming up REAL soon (and what do you know... there is!)... and I took like 27 Stingwings in my list (incidenetally, I own 27 Sting Wings) and like 40 Kroot, the 6 Kroot Riders I own and the blizzard of Kroot Hounds I own... and win the tournament, would people be pretty jazzed about it then?

Because if so, I am very tempted to do this very thing. Because: Stingwings.

 Jancoran wrote:
So if I take the Stingwings and Kroot and win an ITC event, will someone like them then?

Like lets say there was a tournament coming up REAL soon (and what do you know... there is!)... and I took like 27 Stingwings in my list (incidenetally, I own 27 Sting Wings) and like 40 Kroot, the 6 Kroot Riders I own and the blizzard of Kroot Hounds I own... and win the tournament, would people be pretty jazzed about it then?

Because if so, I am very tempted to do this very thing. Because: Stingwings.

Go for it !

K. My friend is making me win one with HIS IG, because he is despairing pretty hard about them. I told him I'd take them to an actual tournament and try to win and bring back reports to help him envision how best to do it. Once I do that experiment, then I will try to win one this way. While I can readily see the troubles it may have, I am thinking that with a Drone Network, this could actually be doable. Just need to include enough anti-tank goodness to handkle the armor since Kroot can only handle it by coming on the enemy's long table edge behind them (like Snikrot!) and blasting them from behind. One shot at glory with their Rapidfire STR 7 AP 4 guns. Ratta tatta tatta tatta tatta tatta tat.

No we would need more antitank for sure. Drone Network lets us DS Markerlights is and assist, or roam around and do it, with a higher toughness. If points get tight, Pathfinders are far from the worst option since we can arm them with EMP and their Rail Rifles. We can throw Hounds in so we Hit and run at I5 using Command suits? Could be fun. then you have both kroot and Stingwings with HitnRun, coming from all angles and shooting the place up like a saloon.

Hmm...Twin link their LD with Aun'Va as well? Seems legit.

I wonder about taking the Allied Advance Cadre for anti-infantry firepower, then take a Riptide Wing for antitank. If you have the points, add a small CAD with an ethereal, two 5-man firewarrior squads, and a Sky Ray. Not sure if this would work well, but its an idea...

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I wonder about taking the Allied Advance Cadre for anti-infantry firepower, then take a Riptide Wing for antitank. If you have the points, add a small CAD with an ethereal, two 5-man firewarrior squads, and a Sky Ray. Not sure if this would work well, but its an idea...

Wouldn't the StormSurge make sense for Anti-tank. Super heavies are a thing now. Stompas, Stormlords, Obelisks, you name it. Gotta have an answer to that somewhere...

Riptide wing isnt very amazing at anti-tank. Bursttides can hurt any armor if they pass their nova, which is much more likely in the formation, but its still banking on some luck and they cant cause an explode effect since rending isnt ap2 on vehicles.

Stormsurge firing either of its main guns and the 4 D missiles will kill vehicles better than the riptide wing. Light armor (10-12) is never a problem for tau....literally lol... its the av13-14 thats a problem.

 Jancoran wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I wonder about taking the Allied Advance Cadre for anti-infantry firepower, then take a Riptide Wing for antitank. If you have the points, add a small CAD with an ethereal, two 5-man firewarrior squads, and a Sky Ray. Not sure if this would work well, but its an idea...

Wouldn't the StormSurge make sense for Anti-tank. Super heavies are a thing now. Stompas, Stormlords, Obelisks, you name it. Gotta have an answer to that somewhere...

The problem is with the surge.. your AT threat is the missles.. and they are one shot only, and they need the markerlights to become sD... not saying they are bad.. just saying you can still miss with them and then what do you do? Fusion crisis suits are are best high AV answer. anthing <AV14 can be glanced by our abundant s7 (and if you have tank hunter even more so).>

Pretty sure the Surge can Stomp tanks to death, and they can take a D-shotgun since they'll be that close.

SJ

For really effective AT power (as long as its not Land Raiders or Monoliths you're shooting at), I would say the Optimized Stealth Cadre is probably the way to go. I've tried it out and I love it. Eldar Wave Serpents and their stupid shields? No problem when you're hitting the rear armor. Plus the Ghostkeel is an awesome model IMO.