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yeah for targetlocks or splitifre i just say it simo like youre suppose to because i rarely fire via targetlocks at more than 2 targets anyway (Suits firing here, drones firing here).

my SS/Ta'unar tend to fire at 3-4 targets, especially with anchors (which per rules are a completely separate firing happening immediately after the gun fired first, meaning different target and more markerlight requirements if same target). So for them i just say like i mentioned earlier what weapons im firing at one unit and leave them alone with the rest if they didnt die. Or, not use a gun if i overkilled them.

So for people running riptide wings in their competitive lists. Do you all run a CAD with it as well?

A concept I am working with is :

Riptide Wing
Air Superiority
CAD

However @1850 and @2000 you have 740 and 890 points left respectively, which is slightly awkward to fill up.

Why the Air Sup formation? At least in my meta I see a ton of skimmers, flyers, jetbikes, FMC, etc.. so +1 BS, auto reserves, and a free d3 markerlights is a pretty nice bonus on some flyers. Let me tell you, no one ever expects it when i put 3 flyers on the table. But this is just a concept, not sure if i will stick with it or not.

 Grizzyzz wrote:
So for people running riptide wings in their competitive lists. Do you all run a CAD with it as well?

A concept I am working with is :

Riptide Wing
Air Superiority
CAD

However @1850 and @2000 you have 740 and 890 points left respectively, which is slightly awkward to fill up.

Why the Air Sup formation? At least in my meta I see a ton of skimmers, flyers, jetbikes, FMC, etc.. so +1 BS, auto reserves, and a free d3 markerlights is a pretty nice bonus on some flyers. Let me tell you, no one ever expects it when i put 3 flyers on the table. But this is just a concept, not sure if i will stick with it or not.

My current (unoriginal) army is RipWing + FSE Cad for a stormsurge, Drone'O and oodles of scoring Crisis Suits.

 raverrn wrote:

My current (unoriginal) army is RipWing + FSE Cad for a stormsurge, Drone'O and oodles of scoring Crisis Suits.

Do you run the riptide drones with them in this formation? I think they also can fire twice per the RW bonus.. which is tempting me to use them.

1850 - 2000 would be variations of this. Its quite effective and despite the lack of Marker Lights it works nicely.

Heavy Retribution Cadre
2x Stormsurges [EWO, Pulse Blastcannon, Shield Generator, Twin-linked AFP]
3x Ghostkeel [EWO, Ion Raker, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster, BKR]

Riptide Wing
3x Riptide [EWO, Ion Accelerator, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

 Grizzyzz wrote:

 raverrn wrote:

My current (unoriginal) army is RipWing + FSE Cad for a stormsurge, Drone'O and oodles of scoring Crisis Suits.

Do you run the riptide drones with them in this formation? I think they also can fire twice per the RW bonus.. which is tempting me to use them.

A few extra BS2 shots isn't worth it, but taking a Drone makes you more resistant to grav weapons. Depends on your meta, but if you take one, take a bonding knife too!

My pure Tau 1850 list had a Riptide wing with 3 tides with intercept and fnp, the drone net, and a cad with a drone mander, strikers, yvahra, and a surge. All in 1850.

DirtyDeeds wrote:
My pure Tau 1850 list had a Riptide wing with 3 tides with intercept and fnp, the drone net, and a cad with a drone mander, strikers, yvahra, and a surge. All in 1850.

I probably will have a drone net, which is why i was thinking about the riptide drones. And yes.. grav is a thing in my meta.

As Ravern said, bs2 drones for 25 points are meh. and normally I never run drones because I don't want my riptides failing that LD check ever! lol


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Ok this is what I am considering. Comes to 1850 exactly.. it is my semi-competitive list.. i say semi because I am dropping a lot of points into a Fusion blade commander which I just love to play =)

Riptide wing:
2x IA, SMS, EWO, Stim
1x HBC, Fusion, Stim, VT

Firestream:
4x1, 2 seekers

CAD:
Commander, FusionBlades, Iridium, beefcake
Mark'o
2x3 Crisis, dual burst
1x3 Crisis, dual plasma
1x4 marker drones
2x1 Tetras

Upping this to 2k:
I am thinking of adding a single Ghostkeel with a positional relay.

Why that? Well we are prepping for NOVA, and their FAQ has any model under a blast template is targeted.. so I can use the ghostkeel to essentially prevent any extreme blasts to my forces deployed.

So how I would deploy most likely, is the ghostkeel in the center of all 4 pirahna on one end of the table.. Depending on my opponents force and deployment, i may or may not deploy Marko or the tetras. Riptides would deploy on the other side.






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My warlord will most likely be marko.. keeps the aggro on the FB commander down, and also lets me split him off to run rampant solo on the table.

For an ITC list what is the best way to run the retaliation cadre, in the hunter contingent. I am currently running everything as single man units, other than single 3 man crisis team that he commander is linked to.

oz of the north wrote:
For an ITC list what is the best way to run the retaliation cadre, in the hunter contingent. I am currently running everything as single man units, other than single 3 man crisis team that he commander is linked to.

So I will ask a question back to you. If you are running a Retaliation Cadre, would you consider the Dawn Blade Contingent instead? The reason I propose this comes to the the cost of filling up a Hunter Cadre (core) and also filling up a Retaliation Cadre (Core for DBC, Aux for HC)

If you do want to keep the HC, then I would recommend maybe single suits of Dual fusion blasters, possibly make that commander Marko, and use the FA slot of the hunter cadre to get the marker drones you need. The riptide I would probably run IA, Fusion, Stim.

If you have the points, I run my broadsides, HYMP, Plasma, target locks.. usually as a squad of 3... but again this gets awkward with the hunter cadre needing to also take a heavy slot (overlap in roll and points).

The reason not using the dawn blade is the aux choices, I do not have them, where I have the models for the hunter contingent. Also the +1 bs is really nice in my opinion with the 3+ units shooting at one.

oz of the north wrote:
The reason not using the dawn blade is the aux choices, I do not have them, where I have the models for the hunter contingent. Also the +1 bs is really nice in my opinion with the 3+ units shooting at one.

That's cool man!

It really comes down to what is in your Core formation then? whatever that has.. your Aux need to fill in niche rolls that your core doesn't cover.. That is why i suggested the Fusion blasters.. as most of your core is going to be strike teams or breachers. Are you fielding a stormsurge?

More of a practical question here, currently i'm rocking an old GW case, one of these bad boys:

Looking for a new one suitable for carrying a dozen crisis suits, 3 Ghostkeels and 3-5 tanks. Any suggestions would be great! The old GW cases struggle a bit with the new larger models.

Edit: Or would new foam trays work instead of getting a entirely new case?

i ended up going with the pluck foam for my tau. Our suits are too funky for standard foam.

Problem is it adds up quick lol. I have about 4ft tall of 8by13" foam trays lol...... and a lot of models share a hole (like firewarriors or my piranha/devilfish)

 Bryan01 wrote:
More of a practical question here, currently i'm rocking an old GW case, one of these bad boys:

Looking for a new one suitable for carrying a dozen crisis suits, 3 Ghostkeels and 3-5 tanks. Any suggestions would be great! The old GW cases struggle a bit with the new larger models.

Edit: Or would new foam trays work instead of getting a entirely new case?

If you cut every other vertical support on 2 of the foam trays, you can make a viable foam case for large models like crisis and broadside suits. My cases are in my car, i'll post pics of what I mean tomorrow.

 Bryan01 wrote:

Looking for a new one suitable for carrying a dozen crisis suits, 3 Ghostkeels and 3-5 tanks. Any suggestions would be great! The old GW cases struggle a bit with the new larger models.

Edit: Or would new foam trays work instead of getting a entirely new case?

I personally am a huge fan of Battlefoam. It tends to be on the upper bound of prices when it comes to cases.. but the quality is outstanding. I have the 720 case as well as the 1520 (or something close to that # ).

Currently in my 1500 series case I have..

4 Hammerhead hulls
4 Broadsides
3 xv9s
12 crisis suits
~12 stealthsuits
3 riptides
3 ghostkeels
3 commanders
two trays of fire warriors (1" and 1.5" foam trays)

I still have about 3" of room on top where i usually put books, etc models, etc.

The 720 case is about half the size of the 1500 series.


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So the new FSE update gives access to all the relics.

Does it allow you to choose warlord traits from FSE "as well as" TE too??

 Bryan01 wrote:
More of a practical question here, currently i'm rocking an old GW case, one of these bad boys:

Looking for a new one suitable for carrying a dozen crisis suits, 3 Ghostkeels and 3-5 tanks. Any suggestions would be great! The old GW cases struggle a bit with the new larger models.

Edit: Or would new foam trays work instead of getting a entirely new case?

KR cases are another option as well. They're slightly less flexible though when you're trying to transport huge models. I my Tau army into 2 standard sized cases, but that only includes: 20 XV8s/88s, 2 Riptides, 4 Tanks, 24 Fire Warriors, 20 Kroot and bunch of Drones. The difficulty lies in getting the required height in the cases to fit tanks, and then finding other models to fill the top rows above them. Riptides tend to be best transported when disassembled at the waist, however this is tough to do retroactively and is ultimately limited by the lifespan of the pin in the waist joint. Ghostkeels could probably be transported in the same way and may only require a 1/2 thickness tray rather than a 2/3 thickness tray. I also transport my magnetised weapon/turret options seperately in a seperate ziplock bag, which is far from ideal in terms of chipping risk.

With a hard transport case, comes to about £100 with foam included.

If you really want to go cheap but effective pistol cases always do well, you just may get some strange looks when carrying multiple pistol cases into a store.

oz of the north wrote:
If you really want to go cheap but effective pistol cases always do well, you just may get some strange looks when carrying multiple pistol cases into a store.

qft - both parts.
http://s956.photobucket.com/user/carldooley/media/102_0753.jpg.html?sort=6&o=1
link to my solution above. It should be noted that I have the next size up, but I will also say that the battlefoam is excellent.

Cheers for the advice, my current case can take the 5 tank hulls and crisis suits+drones/infantry, but the Ghostkeels I imagine will require an investment in a new case.

Outside taking their own GMC, how can tau handle superheavies, especially something like a WK.

Anyone have any tactics against Tripartite Lance + Loth w/Cents + VSG? I'll be using Riptide Wing + Dronenet + CAD w/SS. Been thinking about targeting priority and how to kill Loth before he can use the VSG + charge shenanigans.

Thanks in advance.

oz of the north wrote:
Outside taking their own GMC, how can tau handle superheavies, especially something like a WK.

They don't. They need the frakking Gargantuan so they can "waste" a smaller chunk of their army fighting it. It takes a lot of a Tau army to bring one big un down typically and that's just too much effort spent. The Stormsurge, just one, is enough to tip that expenditure to normal.

I'm not mad about it (though this may make me sound like I am). It's just a statement of fact. You can kill Super heavies and so on without the Surge but its just an enormous drain.

 thejughead wrote:
Anyone have any tactics against Tripartite Lance + Loth w/Cents + VSG? I'll be using Riptide Wing + Dronenet + CAD w/SS. Been thinking about targeting priority and how to kill Loth before he can use the VSG + charge shenanigans.

Thanks in advance.

Depending mission\setup, you markerlight the knights when outside of VSG (deepstrike some of the drones if you need ML range) and Dmissile them and hope that one or more bites the dust. Intercept the centurions if deepstriking otherwise charge them when possible with the SS and Stomp'em. Stay away from the Knights for as long as possible and pepper them one at a time.

 Jancoran wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
Outside taking their own GMC, how can tau handle superheavies, especially something like a WK.

They don't. They need the frakking Gargantuan so they can "waste" a smaller chunk of their army fighting it. It takes a lot of a Tau army to bring one big un down typically and that's just too much effort spent. The Stormsurge, just one, is enough to tip that expenditure to normal.

I'm not mad about it (though this may make me sound like I am). It's just a statement of fact. You can kill Super heavies and so on without the Surge but its just an enormous drain.

Actually I think that a solo deepstriking suit with 2 fusion guns is not awful. Yeah he's 50 points or so, but if he takes out a single hull point or wound off a monster, he's made his points back. Then any effort that the enemy army wastes shooting him is just gravy

ive rarely had a solo fusion suit not take something out. They can deepstrike pretty ballsy since small footprint and they arent that expensive for reliably popping any vehicle.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
ive rarely had a solo fusion suit not take something out. They can deepstrike pretty ballsy since small footprint and they arent that expensive for reliably popping any vehicle.

I had one fail recently. A dual-fusion suit, within melta range. Only one gun hit, then rolled snake eyes for armor penetration . Don't worry, it's an isolated incident. Really I think solo suits are better than spess muhreen suicide melta squad drop pods because they are so much cheaper. Only risk is its far easier to mishap.

One interesting thing I thought of recently: If you were to take a Drone Net formation, would it possibly be worth taking the special drones for the Riptide? I would say put the drones behind the suit so that the suit itself takes the hits rather than a drone buying it and forcing a morale check. I think the drone net rules say that all drones (including those outside the formation) get BS3 and some other buffs. I don't actually have the Mont'ka book, so I can't check up on it. I might at least try it in casual games.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
ive rarely had a solo fusion suit not take something out. They can deepstrike pretty ballsy since small footprint and they arent that expensive for reliably popping any vehicle.

Well they arent JUSt for killing. They are for ablating enemy damage and controlling enemy movement to a lesser extent.

The drone net does increase BS of all drones on the field, both in and out of the formation.

oz of the north wrote:
The drone net does increase BS of all drones on the field, both in and out of the formation.

Yup, including your opponents drones if he is Tau