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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 16:49:32
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Damn, my store opens at 12 and I won't be able to pick up Mont'ka until
after work, anyone mind detailing the battles between longstrike and pask? I'll try not to ask anymore, the wait to read it is just killing me -_-
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123ply: Dataslate- 4/4/3/3/1/3/1/8/6+
Autopistol, Steel Extendo, Puma Hoodie
USRs: "Preferred Enemy: Xenos"
"Hatred: Xenos"
"Racist and Proud of it" - Gains fleshbane, rending, rage, counter-attack, and X2 strength and toughness when locked in combat with units not in the "Imperium of Man" faction.
Collection:
AM/IG - 122nd Terrax Guard: 2094/3000pts
Skitarii/Cult Mech: 1380/2000pts
Khorne Daemonkin - Host of the Nervous Knife: 1701/2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:02:34
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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If you know anything about space is that Nebula can be very valuable places. It's not outside the realm of possibility there were worlds in there (even if its a rogue planet). If not inhabitable than certainly resource rich.
Nope that one action tells me everything I need to know about the IoM. The Tyranids are monsters that don't know what they do. The IoM most certainly had an idea of what they were doing. They posses the will and possibly use the ability to MAD any region of space if they felt like it.
They are the most evil race in the galaxy. Tyranids don't have morals. Even the Dark Eldar need lives and resources to exist. Even the Necrons want to try become biological again and need bodies. Even the Tyranids need to eat something. But the IoM? They're content burning down the boat with everyone in it. The IoM with this one act is saying it if it can't exist it will do its best to make sure nothing exists when it goes. Which is insanity.
Also they're out of reinforcements and we can still pass through it mostly unharmed.
I said the Imperium needs to be destroyed. If there are any smart humans that join us I'll give them their fair chance. It's what makes us thousands of times more reasonable than the IoM. I can now point to this one act any time I see some dumb idiot beat the "Tau have some evil tones too" drum. Yeah Tau do some shady things to keep it all running efficiently, but nothing on this scale.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:05:39
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Caliban
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Are you role-playing a Tau or is there anything that can actually be discussed?
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And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:13:22
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In the book the IoM blows up a Nebula and unsuccessfully blows up Agrellan. Its burning but eventually it will cool down and can be reseeded since one dome is still working. This will take extra time however.
In the act of that however they ignited the nearby space nebula possibly destroying thousands of planets and tons of resources they could be using. Not to mention nebula's critical role in helping stars form. And since it's 40k which is sci fi you just know there were probably quite a few inhabited worlds that are now burned to a cinder. Either their own they didn't know of or neutral humans or even aliens Tau didn't find.
An extremely foolish act. Even the general overseeing the weapon felt uneasy about the Adeptus Mechanicus keeping it on board his ship. Exterminatus is one thing, but what they did is a whole new level. And he knows it. The book makes it clear the IoM is out of reinforcements in eastern regions and would need a lot of time to muster more to attack the Tau.
The Tau for the most part are developing new technology from the warp drives we managed to steal intact. The only strategic advantage the IoM had was its warp drives allowing them to consistently ambush and surprise us.
Tau up at least four worlds. One with extensive damage that will take a lot of effort to rebuild.
Edit
I was role playing a Tau, but that is what there is to discuss without the roleplaying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:15:30
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Gamgee wrote:If you know anything about space is that Nebula can be very valuable places. It's not outside the realm of possibility there were worlds in there (even if its a rogue planet). If not inhabitable than certainly resource rich.
Nope that one action tells me everything I need to know about the IoM. The Tyranids are monsters that don't know what they do. The IoM most certainly had an idea of what they were doing. They posses the will and possibly use the ability to MAD any region of space if they felt like it.
They are the most evil race in the galaxy. Tyranids don't have morals. Even the Dark Eldar need lives and resources to exist. Even the Necrons want to try become biological again and need bodies. Even the Tyranids need to eat something. But the IoM? They're content burning down the boat with everyone in it. The IoM with this one act is saying it if it can't exist it will do its best to make sure nothing exists when it goes. Which is insanity.
Also they're out of reinforcements and we can still pass through it mostly unharmed.
I said the Imperium needs to be destroyed. If there are any smart humans that join us I'll give them their fair chance. It's what makes us thousands of times more reasonable than the IoM. I can now point to this one act any time I see some dumb idiot beat the "Tau have some evil tones too" drum. Yeah Tau do some shady things to keep it all running efficiently, but nothing on this scale.
I assume this is a IC Propoganda Holo rather than an actual out of universe discussion
Tryanids are not beasts they have a directing and controlling intelligence - thats the point!
Dark Eldar - er you do know what they are right? They exist by tourturing and killng others - but also because they like it, need it.
And their Cousins the Craftworld Eldar would be amused at the restraint of the Imperium - if such creatures tthreatened them - they would be happy to wipe out planets, star systems and many would not even blink at the thought - they have done it before.
The Necrons harvest Tau worlds at will
The Orks make war for the sake of war and can not be reasoned with or turned asisde - they simply are war - even the Tau recognise this.
The Tau wanted to become part of the greater galaxy - its not a nice place.
In the book the IoM blows up a Nebula and unsuccessfully blows up Agrellan. Its burning but eventually it will cool down and can be reseeded since one dome is still working. This will take extra time however.
In the act of that however they ignited the nearby space nebula possibly destroying thousands of planets and tons of resources they could be using. Not to mention nebula's critical role in helping stars form. And since it's 40k which is sci fi you just know there were probably quite a few inhabited worlds that are now burned to a cinder. Either their own they didn't know of or neutral humans or even aliens Tau didn't find.
An extremely foolish act. Even the general overseeing the weapon felt uneasy about the Adeptus Mechanicus keeping it on board his ship. Exterminatus is one thing, but what they did is a whole new level. And he knows it. The book makes sit clear the IoM is out of reinforcements in this region and would need a lot of time to muster more to attack the Tau. The Tau for the most part are developing new technology from the warp drives we managed to steal intact. The only strategic advantage the IoM had was its warp drives allowing them to consistently ambush and surprise us.
So its not even a proper exterminatus?? They could have used Lifeater or done it properly...........
So it was the Mechanicum not the Imperium unleshing the weapon? Nebula don;t normally ocntain formed planets IIRC? Also Thousands? Really? Does it say that Tau have unlimited reinforcements because book 1 said they were already stretched before the new conflict.
Does it actually give any information as to the compostion of the Imperial or Tau forces? (we only got details of the Tau in book 1)
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:19:29
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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All of them need life exist. They do horrible things to it, but its life. The IoM wants it to all burn if they're about to lose. That is something so stupid and short sighted I'm sure every other faction is a little concerned at least to the potential for the IoM to cut off and deny them all their food sources.
The IoM is the most evil faction now.
This crusade is considered larger than the Damocles crusade by a decent margin. 99.999...% loss of all IoM forces due to the use of this super weapon. They evacuated valuable officers and anyone plot important and then fired the weapon. The book says it would need three weeks to evacuate and he only had four hours to get as much off the planet as possible. You lost and it wasn't even the entirety of the Tau military force. It was half with almost zero space support and no reinforcements of any kind arriving.
There will be a reckoning for the IoM. Or at least the Adeptus Mechanicus. There is a Forgeworld quite near our borders I see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:21:36
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Caliban
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Gamgee wrote:Edit
I was role playing a Tau, but that is what there is to discuss without the roleplaying.
Oh I see. Uh... carry on!
But aren't Tau usually less aggressive? They've got Gue'vesa fighting for them too. I don't think they hate the Imperium over the factions you mentioned.
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And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
My hands. They, too, are golden. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:24:43
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Gamgee wrote:All of them need life exist. They do horrible things to it, but its life. The IoM wants it to all burn if they're about to lose. That is something so stupid and short sighted I'm sure every other faction is a little concerned at least to the potential for the IoM to cut off and deny them all their food sources.
The IoM is the most evil faction now.
Hah - did you read what i said - the other factions have done much worse and will do again - thats 40k - remeber the Nids devour entire planets - everything and everybody, dead or alive - leaving lifeless bits of rocks stripped of all resources - including minerals.
Why would the Dark Eldar be concerned - the Imperium is food - as long as it exisits - its a supermarket for tasty treats - same as the Tau Empire.
They will come again and harvest from the Empire - maybe they will send some back - women and children - tortured, broken and altered, insane - just for kicks and becase they can.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:32:24
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Mr Morden wrote: Gamgee wrote:All of them need life exist. They do horrible things to it, but its life. The IoM wants it to all burn if they're about to lose. That is something so stupid and short sighted I'm sure every other faction is a little concerned at least to the potential for the IoM to cut off and deny them all their food sources.
The IoM is the most evil faction now.
Hah - did you read what i said - the other factions have done much worse and will do again - thats 40k - remeber the Nids devour entire planets - everything and everybody, dead or alive - leaving lifeless bits of rocks stripped of all resources - including minerals.
Why would the Dark Eldar be concerned - the Imperium is food - as long as it exisits - its a supermarket for tasty treats - same as the Tau Empire.
They will come again and harvest from the Empire - maybe they will send some back - women and children - tortured, broken and altered, insane - just for kicks and becase they can.
Your not lisstening to what I said.
The Tyranids have a hive mind but we don't know if its mostly instinctual or like us and can be talked to or what. Both the IoM and the Tyranids can render a planet extinct. The Tyranids will make more of themselves and do it mostly on instinct and because they know of nothing else. Like a super smart animal. It doesn't have morals. The IoM does and it made the choice to do this. So that makes them Evil for doing it. Even the Nids don't touch nebula which are important to the growth of new stars.
DE can feast anywhere that's true, but my point is they don't go burning planets to nothing. They never will. No matter what they will need and want life to exisst to feed and torture it. So they may be depraved, but even in a weird twisted way wouldn't be able to destroy everything. There would be nothing to feed them. The DE are still the second most evil race. Maybe they'll get a codex buff or something.
The Necrons do horrific things but again need life to exist for their own twisted ends. And if they do wipe it all out they'll go to sleep and let it all reseed. The IoM makes it painfully clear they'll burn the whole boat to the ground before they'll lose.
IoM is now the most evil faction in the game. I don't think the writers intended this, but it's just the facts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:43:02
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Gamgee wrote: Mr Morden wrote: Gamgee wrote:All of them need life exist. They do horrible things to it, but its life. The IoM wants it to all burn if they're about to lose. That is something so stupid and short sighted I'm sure every other faction is a little concerned at least to the potential for the IoM to cut off and deny them all their food sources.
The IoM is the most evil faction now.
Hah - did you read what i said - the other factions have done much worse and will do again - thats 40k - remeber the Nids devour entire planets - everything and everybody, dead or alive - leaving lifeless bits of rocks stripped of all resources - including minerals.
Why would the Dark Eldar be concerned - the Imperium is food - as long as it exisits - its a supermarket for tasty treats - same as the Tau Empire.
They will come again and harvest from the Empire - maybe they will send some back - women and children - tortured, broken and altered, insane - just for kicks and becase they can.
Your not lisstening to what I said.
The Tyranids have a hive mind but we don't know if its mostly instinctual or like us and can be talked to or what. Both the IoM and the Tyranids can render a planet extinct. The Tyranids will make more of themselves and do it mostly on instinct and because they know of nothing else. Like a super smart animal. It doesn't have morals. The IoM does and it made the choice to do this. So that makes them Evil for doing it. Even the Nids don't touch nebula which are important to the growth of new stars.
DE can feast anywhere that's true, but my point is they don't go burning planets to nothing. They never will. No matter what they will need and want life to exisst to feed and torture it. So they may be depraved, but even in a weird twisted way wouldn't be able to destroy everything. There would be nothing to feed them. The DE are still the second most evil race. Maybe they'll get a codex buff or something.
The Necrons do horrific things but again need life to exist for their own twisted ends. And if they do wipe it all out they'll go to sleep and let it all reseed. The IoM makes it painfully clear they'll burn the whole boat to the ground before they'll lose.
IoM is now the most evil faction in the game. I don't think the writers intended this, but it's just the facts.
Yes we do know the Hive Mind can't be talked to / reasoned - its been tried - almost always you go mad or it enslaves you - a few escaped with minds intact and reported noting but a terrible cold inteligence observing them - and again if they can they will strip the entire galaxy bare - not just a few worlds! and then move on.
What is the difference between burning a world (although apparently not especially well) and eating it - biomass and minerals alike so their is nothing but the core left?
The Dark Eldar have indeed burnt planers before with and without their cousins - together with the Imperium the Eldar burned Hundreds to try and slow the Nids - again I don'y think you (and the Tau) appreciate the scale of 40k
The Necrons have the Destroyer cult which guess what - wants to destroy ALL biologcial life - thats entire armies of killing machines, warships and terrible technology dedicated to destryoing ALL non Necron life.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:48:01
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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If it is able to reason then it is evil. At least as evil as the IoM. I know the DE have destroyed worlds, that's bad. None of them would burn everything to the ground though if they were about to lose. Even the IoM likely lost out on any fringe planets in the nebula.
But I don't think from a scientific point you realize the importance, size, and resources, and planets inside a nebula. Even a small one.
And its a cult for a reason. Politics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 17:58:47
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Gamgee wrote:If it is able to reason then it is evil. At least as evil ass the IoM. I know the DE have destroyed worlds, that's bad. None of them would burn everything to the ground though if they were about to lose. Even the IoM likely lost out on any fringe planets in the nebula.
But I don't think from a scientific point you realize the importance, size, and resources, and planets inside a nebula. Even a small one.
And its a cult for a reason. Politics.
Does it give a sense of scale or age of the nebula in the book - have stars and planets actually formed. I was not aware that there was planets in the nebula - I thought that was unusual or unlikely? Does it say there are and how many?
A Dark Eldar Archon would burn a world to the core if it amused them and / or annoyed someones else - they are that broken. Did you read what they did to the Tau Sept they came to aid?
The Destroyer Cult is not a political movement - its more like a Robot ISIS - kill everything not you - not just humans, Eldar, Taui - but all Life - fluffy bunies to genestealers, ameoba to void whales. Even the Necron Lords worry about it. They are what you are talking about -they want to clenese the galaxy in the same way as the Tyranids want to eat it....
The Chaos gods just want it as a playground.............not that Mortals would enjoy that even the Tau - they are not blank after all.
As I said the Craftworld Eldar (and the Imperium) burn worlds to the ground so the nids can;t have them - just on a much vaster scale that what you are talking about. Its the same but bigger.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 18:12:00
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wait. The Imperium blew up what? How?
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 18:39:24
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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In this instance it is not technically a planetary nebula, but a thick interstellar cloud (commonly refereed to as nebula by your average person). So yes there are most certainly tons of planets in there just due to common scientific sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 18:58:25
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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The Imperium blew up the Damocles Gulf by igniting the gasses in the nebula.
Agrellan was important because it was the only stable launching point between either side of the Damocles Gulf.
I mean, the Tau get to keep the Demon Haunted and now (mostly) Exteriminatus'd world, some Imperial Guardsmen died... sounds like a typical monday on the Cadian/Eye of Terror front.
Even if the Imperials didn't win the planet, the Tau were shown what lengths the Imperium is willing to go to simply out of spite. Aun'va is dead, the war crippled Tau morale, and the Damocles Gulf burns from the Imperium's fury.
And all the Tau did that the Imperials care about is kill a first founding Chapter Master. Imagine if they took something important!
(Remember, the Kauyon book says, in addition to the fleet that was sent to attack the Tau, the Imperium heavily reinforced every Imperial world that borders the Tau. There won't be any more easy pickings after this.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:03:17
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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...? How the hell are the IoM the most evil faction? They're certainly not good, but they pale in comparison to the depravities committed by Chaos factions or Dark Eldar.
Your argument for Dark Eldar "needing" to torture people and raid them like cattle is a moot point, since its shown via Exodites and Craftworld Eldar's existence that this is not the only alternative they have to avoid the grasp of Slaanesh. Keep in mind that they are the ones perpetuating the legacy of the pleasure cults and hedonists that caused the Fall of the Eldar to begin with. They haven't learnt their lesson and in their arrogance seek to bring deliberate pain and suffering to all other living creatures so they can continue their sadistic lifestyle. Have you not read the "cultural exchange" that occurred between a Haemonculus Coven and the Tau? How is that not worse than the paltry scorched earth policy the Imperium used? Its one thing to simply destroy, its another to prolong and twist the pain of one's enemy to the point of making them grotesques and other abominations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:06:16
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Yeah, there's... Not even a coherent sentence to be formed to explain what that superweapon supposedly did.
You could list millions of reasons that doing that would do nothing to slow travel even if it did have a coherent effect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:19:16
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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Well, it might have an effect on tau as they do make small jumps, but they can always go around. or over, if you want too look at it in a fixed perspective. It's just a waste a recorces that won't really hurt the tau in the long run. Although I guess that's my fault for expecting coherent writing from GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:28:06
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They blew up the entire Damocles Gulf?!
Wat.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:30:30
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Co'tor Shas wrote:Well, it might have an effect on tau as they do make small jumps, but they can always go around. or over, if you want too look at it in a fixed perspective. It's just a waste a recorces that won't really hurt the tau in the long run. Although I guess that's my fault for expecting coherent writing from GW.
What waste of resources? There's a reason why the main focus of the 40k star map is on single systems and that's because stars with habitable or exploitable worlds are super fething rare. The Gulf might not have had a single one except the ones we already know about. And even if it did, it's a small price for slowing down a potential threat to established and developed sectors beyond Damocles. Compared to the vastness of the Milky Way, the area is insignificant in size.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:34:55
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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His Master's Voice wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:Well, it might have an effect on tau as they do make small jumps, but they can always go around. or over, if you want too look at it in a fixed perspective. It's just a waste a recorces that won't really hurt the tau in the long run. Although I guess that's my fault for expecting coherent writing from GW.
What waste of resources? There's a reason why the main focus of the 40k star map is on single systems and that's because stars with habitable or exploitable worlds are super fething rare. The Gulf might not have had a single one except the ones we already know about. And even if it did, it's a small price for slowing down a potential threat to established and developed sectors beyond Damocles. Compared to the vastness of the Milky Way, the area is insignificant in size.
Not what is whithin it, but to use the super-weapon. It's just sort of a waste, when it'll do feth all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:38:14
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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It doesn't do feth all, especially against Tau that rely on real space travel. You need staging posts for expansions. the longer your supply line, the weaker your frontline.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 19:50:32
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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His Master's Voice wrote:It doesn't do feth all, especially against Tau that rely on real space travel. You need staging posts for expansions. the longer your supply line, the weaker your frontline.
They don't, actually. They have warp travel, it's just slower (old BFG says by a factor of ten, but more recent fluff has them upgrading, it's probably tony by a factor of 5 or so now).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 20:11:18
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Destroying something/ some ressources my enemy stole my, even and especially that big, is typically something I think I'll be likely to do, if I were a commander in a great war.
You must hate me so so much^^
Better send it to oblivion than to let it to my enemy.
Every sacrifice for Victory, when defeat means total annihilation.
Even the sacrifice of his own soul !
Quiet disppointed by the outcomes, not so many changes in the lore/the fluff, in the end, I think.
The more things change, the less is change, I guess...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 20:18:46
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Co'tor Shas wrote:They don't, actually. They have warp travel, it's just slower (old BFG says by a factor of ten, but more recent fluff has them upgrading, it's probably tony by a factor of 5 or so now).
I know they use the warp dipping technique. It still requires them to maintain a much tighter supply infrastructure. Scorched ground tactics should be way more effective against them compared to any race capable of full on warp travel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 21:02:07
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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It seems the Tau already possess shields that allow them to pass through the burning nebula unharmed anyway though, and while it's not on all their ships currently it's only a matter of time until it is. This is a minor setback.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 21:22:11
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Anyway,, this supplement show the OP view was true:
the Imperium loose absolutely every battle against the tau empire (except maybe in some obscur badly known audio book  ) .
With these supplements it is even more obvious: shield of baal, sanctus reach...
All new imperial victories. But as soon as it comes to Tau, no no, the Imperium can't win.
Just an example of what I quickly thought:
Imagine the Imperium's counter attack effectively drew back the tau forces from their new conquests (not necessarly destroying it, just tacking back their world).
So, in Mont'ka, the tau loose the campaign and retreat.
They are pursued by the imperial fleet, and ... BOUM ! thanks to their great advanced tech, they succeed to ignite the Damocles Gulf just when the imperial fleet, eager for revenge try to pass throuh...
No more imperials.
So, let's see: imperial victory against tau (at last, for once, some changes !), BUT the statu quo is maintened, no imperial invasion, and, if GW wants to continue the story, it is at the exact same point than now: Imperium forces exhausted by huges looses, no invasion etc etc...
But we have an imperial victory against tau (not everytime against everyone, but just once against the tau please !!!!)
They really should have made the orks won on sanctus reach...
Oh, and that's would be great for tau too, because, for once, they would have won by themsleves and not " tyranids drew back Imperium forces" or "the orks fought themselves as much as the tau", "an expeditionnary fleet from Cadia helped them against Gorgon"... A true victory without pretext for their enemy !
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 21:23:31
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Co'tor Shas wrote:Well, it might have an effect on tau as they do make small jumps, but they can always go around. or over, if you want too look at it in a fixed perspective. It's just a waste a recorces that won't really hurt the tau in the long run. Although I guess that's my fault for expecting coherent writing from GW.
Isn't the Damocles Gulf supposed to be the one, small safe passage through the region? It's possible (and certainly seems implied) that they will have to travel through the firestorm to reach the other side.
chalkobob wrote:It seems the Tau already possess shields that allow them to pass through the burning nebula unharmed anyway though, and while it's not on all their ships currently it's only a matter of time until it is. This is a minor setback.
Time has a value of it's own. If the Imperium is withdrawing forces to deal with other foes then buying time seems perfectly reasonable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 21:48:23
Subject: Re:War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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godardc wrote:Anyway,, this supplement show the OP view was true:
the Imperium loose absolutely every battle against the tau empire (except maybe in some obscur badly known audio book  ) .
With these supplements it is even more obvious: shield of baal, sanctus reach...
All new imperial victories. But as soon as it comes to Tau, no no, the Imperium can't win.
Just an example of what I quickly thought:
Imagine the Imperium's counter attack effectively drew back the tau forces from their new conquests (not necessarly destroying it, just tacking back their world).
So, in Mont'ka, the tau loose the campaign and retreat.
They are pursued by the imperial fleet, and ... BOUM ! thanks to their great advanced tech, they succeed to ignite the Damocles Gulf just when the imperial fleet, eager for revenge try to pass throuh...
No more imperials.
So, let's see: imperial victory against tau (at last, for once, some changes !), BUT the statu quo is maintened, no imperial invasion, and, if GW wants to continue the story, it is at the exact same point than now: Imperium forces exhausted by huges looses, no invasion etc etc...
But we have an imperial victory against tau (not everytime against everyone, but just once against the tau please !!!!)
They really should have made the orks won on sanctus reach...
Oh, and that's would be great for tau too, because, for once, they would have won by themsleves and not " tyranids drew back Imperium forces" or "the orks fought themselves as much as the tau", "an expeditionnary fleet from Cadia helped them against Gorgon"... A true victory without pretext for their enemy !
It's not the the imperium don't win battles with against the tau, it's that they don't win major wars designed to wipe out the tau. Because that would wipe out the tau.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/28 22:35:32
Subject: War Zone Damocles - Who wins?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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godardc wrote:Destroying something/ some ressources my enemy stole my, even and especially that big, is typically something I think I'll be likely to do, if I were a commander in a great war.
You must hate me so so much^^
Better send it to oblivion than to let it to my enemy.
Every sacrifice for Victory, when defeat means total annihilation.
Even the sacrifice of his own soul !
Quiet disppointed by the outcomes, not so many changes in the lore/the fluff, in the end, I think.
The more things change, the less is change, I guess...
Defeat doesn't mean total annihilation. We'll let humans live with us.
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