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Texas is a bit weird (and often felonious) when it comes to university football financing. There are several documentaries/reports just about them, so I am not sure they are the best example.

Still this seems to have slipped into a "hurr college athletics good/bad hurr" thread.

 Ahtman wrote:
Texas is a bit weird (and often felonious) when it comes to university football financing. There are several documentaries/reports just about them, so I am not sure they are the best example.

Still this seems to have slipped into a "hurr college athletics good/bad hurr" thread.

Texas A&M, not University of Texas. However agreed on that. Aggieville is reddish purple. UT is reddish orange. DUH!

You're right. This is slipping. not like UH. 9-0. We make a promise to all the fans coming from other schools. We won't steal all your cars during the game. Some we'll just take for a joy ride.
Remember that El Paso School for Girls. You're next...

I tried to steer it back ;-). Failed.

Like I said, Wolfe isn't outed if the Tigers are 8-1 instead of a dumpster fire that will probably miss a bowl game.


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Houston should have lost to Cincinnati. The no call on a false start was egregious.

And enjoy it while you have Herman; he'll be at one of the USCs next year.

 cincydooley wrote:
I tried to steer it back ;-). Failed.

Like I said, Wolfe isn't outed if the Tigers are 8-1 instead of a dumpster fire that will probably miss a bowl game.

Indeed highly likely. Thats why UH is secure. 9-0. we are constant as the Northern Star, or was it Painful Rash? I forget.

To the topic, why would you be President of this school.
"You want to be President"
"cool where?"
"Mizzou"
runs away

Now... the Chancellor is next:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/thousands-gather-on-mizzou-quad-after-um-system-president-resigns/article_fa9f0aae-511c-5843-a420-fca7ce1743c6.html

He just got here like in the last couple of years. o.O

Weirdness all around man...

Also, Frazz... the answer to who would take this job? It's because it's SEC country.

Surprisingly enough, Oklahoma manages to actually be a good example for how to handle this kind of situation better.

The University of Oklahoma had a few pretty high profile race related incidents over the last couple years and the university president handled each one of them with pretty clear resolve.

 d-usa wrote:
Surprisingly enough, Oklahoma manages to actually be a good example for how to handle this kind of situation better.

The University of Oklahoma had a few pretty high profile race related incidents over the last couple years and the university president handled each one of them with pretty clear resolve.

May I ask how So? Im genuinly curious on what a president can do in these circumstances.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Surprisingly enough, Oklahoma manages to actually be a good example for how to handle this kind of situation better.

The University of Oklahoma had a few pretty high profile race related incidents over the last couple years and the university president handled each one of them with pretty clear resolve.

May I ask how So? Im genuinly curious on what a president can do in these circumstances.

Our most high profile one is probably the drunk SAE fraternity video featuring these lovely lyrics:

"There will never be a n***** in SAE. There will never be a n***** in SAE. You can hang him from a tree, but he can never sign with me There will never be a n***** in SAE."

The video was released March 7th and on the 8th the university president told the fraternity that they have three days to move out of the house, and on the 10th they padlocked the gates, barricaded the parking lot, changed the locks, and took the Greek letters off the building. The two chant leaders were identified and kicked out of the university. He was very firm and decisive in his actions.

There are a few smaller incidents, but he is always very prompt and very direct when addressing and condemning these kind of things. You can tell that the university actively tries to promote an atmosphere of inclusiveness based on the programs provided and the culture it promotes.

And even if you don't think that there is much a university president can actually do, sometimes just taking a vocal stand against stuff like that makes a difference. If there is nothing you can do, the last thing you want is to also look like you don't care. That's just basic customer service 101. I get plenty of complaints at my job that I am powerless to fix, but I can defuse situations by listening and validating the concerns that are out of my control. Sometimes caring is just as important as fixing things.

Wolfe did kick out a guy for using the N word. I don't think they caught the poostika guy.

 CptJake wrote:
Wolfe did kick out a guy for using the N word. I don't think they caught the poostika guy.

Precisely. And there's no proof that actually happened.

Not really an equal situation to the Oklahoma frat.

Poostika. Dear god that's a thing now XD

Remember everyone, this IS about money.

Ball players threatened to strike a week before a major game, and defaulting on that game would have resulted in Mizzou paying $1 million to their opponent school. I have to give the ball players credit for choosing a tactically sound "time" to do this. I'll also GUARANTEE that they were hyped up by the activists and grad students over the last month or so with "You have power, here is now you can use it ....again taking a page from Saul Alinksi's playbook.

If that $1 million price tag weren't hanging on their "strike" then I doubt much would have come of it. Also pretty sure that if there had been an immediate, clear, and honest threat of losing all current sports based scholarships and financial aid for participating in political agitation then things would have gone differently. I genuinely feel sorry for all the students on campus who are simply trying to earn their degree's and advance in life. Political rage over "Mike Brown" + "some redneck in a pickup truck yelled negro at me" = total disruption of the academic milieu.

As for the poop swastika....there have been swastika's and anti-jewish graffittit painted on the jewish frat house twice THIS QUARTER at my school and I have yet to see any administrators resigning. Hell, one guy went through the parking lot and marked up 11 cars owned by jews. All we got was an automated "hate crimes are bad!" email. I just don't understand the lack of moral continuity with activism. I never have, and I never will.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Also pretty sure that if there had been an immediate, clear, and honest threat of losing all current sports based scholarships and financial aid for participating in political agitation then things would have gone differently.

If by "differently" you mean "widespread and massive outrage" then yes, things would have gone differently. A government institution holding financial aid hostage to suppress speech is going to draw a lot more attention than a mere "fire this guy" dispute.

I genuinely feel sorry for all the students on campus who are simply trying to earn their degree's and advance in life. Political rage over "Mike Brown" + "some redneck in a pickup truck yelled negro at me" = total disruption of the academic milieu.

Yeah, those poor students who are forced to be aware of the existence of something outside of their nice sheltered life. I can't imagine how they can get their degrees and advance in life when they have to walk past a protest on the way to class.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
My point is we know that Student Athletics are a big fat joke and now that schools should do what they are meant to do, Teach, not throw egg shaped balls around

College ball, especially in SEC, is a huge avenue for social mobility. Those sports scholarships keep the economy of the university systems running, the money that comes in from games helps fund campus construction, and most importantly those programs mean a LOT of young men and women (esp young black dudes in the football programs) get to go to school when they might not otherwise have been able to afford it. To see people jeopardizing that due to politico-emotional manipulation by activists is really horrible, to my mind.


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 Peregrine wrote:

I genuinely feel sorry for all the students on campus who are simply trying to earn their degree's and advance in life. Political rage over "Mike Brown" + "some redneck in a pickup truck yelled negro at me" = total disruption of the academic milieu.

Yeah, those poor students who are forced to be aware of the existence of something outside of their nice sheltered life. I can't imagine how they can get their degrees and advance in life when they have to walk past a protest on the way to class.

Maybe you never made any significant sacrifices to earn your seat in college, but for those of us that had to work incredibly hard just put our butts in said seat, the purposeful disruption of the academic milieu is serious.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Maybe you never made any significant sacrifices to earn your seat in college, but for those of us that had to work incredibly hard just put our butts in said seat, the purposeful disruption of the academic milieu is serious.

If people are such delicate flowers that they can't accomplish their academic goals because someone else somewhere on campus is protesting then really, they have no hope of success in the real world. Overcoming distractions is part of life.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Maybe you never made any significant sacrifices to earn your seat in college, but for those of us that had to work incredibly hard just put our butts in said seat, the purposeful disruption of the academic milieu is serious.

If people are such delicate flowers that they can't accomplish their academic goals because someone else somewhere on campus is protesting then really, they have no hope of success in the real world. Overcoming distractions is part of life.

I'm not talking about a protest. Protests happen damn near every day on campuses, for a variety of reasons.

I'm talking about game cancellations, disruption of everyday student routines, the national media eye focusing on the campus, school president and chancellor forced into resignation (deservedly or undeservedly, I'm not making that distinction here), and the general atmosphere of politicized anger on campus that will come with all of it.

Or are you disagreeing with these points because you see a validity to the stance of some of the issues the activists want to raise and think I'm negating them?

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm talking about game cancellations, disruption of everyday student routines, the national media eye focusing on the campus, school president and chancellor forced into resignation (deservedly or undeservedly, I'm not making that distinction here), and the general atmosphere of politicized anger on campus that will come with all of it.

None of which are a factor to everyday academic work. In fact, cancelling football should help students focus on their academic work, since they would no longer be tempted to attend or watch the game instead of studying. Again, if you can't cope with that kind of distraction in school then you have no hope of success in the real world.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm talking about game cancellations, disruption of everyday student routines, the national media eye focusing on the campus, school president and chancellor forced into resignation (deservedly or undeservedly, I'm not making that distinction here), and the general atmosphere of politicized anger on campus that will come with all of it.

None of which are a factor to everyday academic work. In fact, cancelling football should help students focus on their academic work, since they would no longer be tempted to attend or watch the game instead of studying. Again, if you can't cope with that kind of distraction in school then you have no hope of success in the real world.

I'll cosign on that Darwinian logic. You win.

 cincydooley wrote:

Not to mention extracurricular athletics offer of slew of other positives supported by research.

But we can go back to those that never played organized sports a high level and listen to all of their miraculous insight instead.

Lol, Since I generally started the "college sports are too much" thing in this thread, you should know, I DID play high school sports, and have continued to play organized athletics.

I fully realize the value presented by athletics to young, developing people. What I dislike is the amount of money poured into these programs when the numbers simply bear out that the number of people who will make money in that sport is extremely low.


And while I realize that the largest sports in a given school often "pay for" the considered lesser sports, the schools like Texas A&M, Alabama and Oregon (I think) are probably a minority of schools that run sports programs in the black.


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 CptJake wrote:
Not setting up 'spaces for healing' after Brown got capped? Really?

https://www.google.com/search?q=mizzou+lazy+river&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=955&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI3LLuyPeEyQIVSs5jCh2dhgvS#imgrc=zEB7N6opFiIKfM%3A


This is where a bunch of money goes at Mizzou.... Yeah, they have a Lazy river on campus. Which, while cool, is a damn waste of money (IMO). And when I was first shown images of this lazy river, the presenter mentioned that Mizzou specifically built that facility as a "stress free" zone or whatever.


Could the school have done something "better" in the wake of perceived racial issues? Maybe. But I sure as gak don't know what better would look like either.

Sports, or at least football, usually makes money for the school. Which leads to the problem of schools treating it like a cash cow and often overlooking infractions and poor behavior in its athletes. Plus its way over inflated and gives some unreasonable expectations for the athletes as only a tiny portion will actually be able to make it into professional teams where they can actually make money(and even that isn't always the case).

 Grey Templar wrote:
often overlooking infractions and poor behavior in its athletes.

I've seen numerous and fairly recent articles that would suggest that you are massively understating this


I currently go to a small private college that apparently is very well regarded academically. Due to its size, our sports program offers no scholarships for athletics. There are a number of players who have scholarships for other things, but even I, in my "old man" state can walk onto the football team, or baseball team or whatever I could feel like playing, and they generally speaking, won't cut me.


D3 schools are fun like that.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Maybe you never made any significant sacrifices to earn your seat in college, but for those of us that had to work incredibly hard just put our butts in said seat, the purposeful disruption of the academic milieu is serious.

If people are such delicate flowers that they can't accomplish their academic goals because someone else somewhere on campus is protesting then really, they have no hope of success in the real world. Overcoming distractions is part of life.

I'm not talking about a protest. Protests happen damn near every day on campuses, for a variety of reasons.

I'm talking about game cancellations, disruption of everyday student routines, the national media eye focusing on the campus, school president and chancellor forced into resignation (deservedly or undeservedly, I'm not making that distinction here), and the general atmosphere of politicized anger on campus that will come with all of it.

Or are you disagreeing with these points because you see a validity to the stance of some of the issues the activists want to raise and think I'm negating them?

At my undergrad in Cali there were protest marches every Thursday. Depending on how many were "easy on the eyes" I'd participate, else sit and watch while eating fries. Better than TV.
Had all sports disappeared in a ball of smoke I wouldn't have noticed.

here in SC, Im not welcomed at protests, as a white straight male im part of the problem, not the solution.

You should protest that.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Also pretty sure that if there had been an immediate, clear, and honest threat of losing all current sports based scholarships and financial aid for participating in political agitation then things would have gone differently.

If by "differently" you mean "widespread and massive outrage" then yes, things would have gone differently. A government institution holding financial aid hostage to suppress speech is going to draw a lot more attention than a mere "fire this guy" dispute.

If they are there on a football scholarship and they refuse to play football their scholarship should be yanked because they aren't holding up their end.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Also pretty sure that if there had been an immediate, clear, and honest threat of losing all current sports based scholarships and financial aid for participating in political agitation then things would have gone differently.

If by "differently" you mean "widespread and massive outrage" then yes, things would have gone differently. A government institution holding financial aid hostage to suppress speech is going to draw a lot more attention than a mere "fire this guy" dispute.

If they are there on a football scholarship and they refuse to play football their scholarship should be yanked because they aren't holding up their end.

And NFL scouts and coaches probably want to be pretty damned careful about bringing someone willing to do this onto a pro team. A lot of $$$$ at stake to worry about what happens if the player's get hurt feelings.

So now apparently the protestors and faculty are keeping media out of public spaces . They are using physical force to prevent people from recording the events that are unfolding there.

If it's private property (the Universities) I'm pretty sure they can object to people filming there without permission

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If it's private property (the Universities) I'm pretty sure they can object to people filming there without permission

It is a public university.

And the 1st Amendment is supposed to provide equal protection to the student/faculty protestors AND to the media/press.

A public university is also private property. Same as a court house, city hall, military bases, etc etc etc. You can still trespass in a public space. A university has certain leeway when it comes to deciding who is allowed on campus.

Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.