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 Azreal13 wrote:
There's no need, there's already perfectly good rulesets out in the wild, all we need is straightforward access to appropriate models.

Unless you're talking about fan edits, which I expect GW will explicitly ignore, all of the specialist games I've played(Mordheim, Necromunda and BFG) all have their faults and could use a 2.0. I'd be mildly disappointed if GW simply re-released the last version of the rules they published but I'd be really sad if they did something stupid like make a space marine gang for Necromunda.

 Red Viper wrote:

I'm fine either way, but I hope they don't mess with the core rules too much or combine all the races on one team like Dreadfleet.

You mean like Dungeon Bowl?

Kickstarters have gone into a decline because of a number of disappointing projects, market oversaturation, etc.

GW can probably sell a good number of revised starter sets of games like Battle Fleet Gothic and Blood Bowl, if they are updated with modern figures and good production values. Look at the massive success of Space Hulk.

Dread Fleet OTOH is a sign that GW can do a terrible job producing a new boxed game. They need to make some good new games, not just rehash old classics.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Kickstarters have gone into a decline because of a number of disappointing projects, market oversaturation, etc.

GW can probably sell a good number of revised starter sets of games like Battle Fleet Gothic and Blood Bowl, if they are updated with modern figures and good production values. Look at the massive success of Space Hulk.

Dread Fleet OTOH is a sign that GW can do a terrible job producing a new boxed game. They need to make some good new games, not just rehash old classics.

Couldn't have said it better. GW expand your range and make it good.

As an added, note, they really need to expand the player base while they are at it, probably best if they get those boxes into non-GW retail outlets to expand beyond the sounding chamber that is the core fan base. Toy shops small and large is where I would want to see the expansions hit but anywhere that would likely put the product infront of fresh eyes.

Henshini wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There's no need, there's already perfectly good rulesets out in the wild, all we need is straightforward access to appropriate models.

Unless you're talking about fan edits, which I expect GW will explicitly ignore, all of the specialist games I've played(Mordheim, Necromunda and BFG) all have their faults and could use a 2.0. I'd be mildly disappointed if GW simply re-released the last version of the rules they published but I'd be really sad if they did something stupid like make a space marine gang for Necromunda.

Well... A space marine Necromunda gang (not meaning an SM gang in Necromunda itself but a gang in the underhive) could work if we use some of the stuff by Nick Kyme had a salamander fighting in gladiator pits of an underhive

Having invested heavily into FW HH, I am not interested in anything else (money wise) but it would be amusing to see how this is going to end up.

 Yaraton wrote:
Having invested heavily into FW HH, I am not interested in anything else (money wise) but it would be amusing to see how this is going to end up.

You say that now until they do Epic 30k, Titans and BFG and tie it all up into their ongoing HH black books along with ongoing support for new fleets. I don't know about you, but if they did that my wallet is doomed. Doomed I tell thee!

A re-done EPIC would see me spending...a LOT of money.

Do we think that much of the new SG range will be direct only?

 zedmeister wrote:

You say that now until they do Epic 30k, Titans and BFG and tie it all up into their ongoing HH black books along with ongoing support for new fleets. I don't know about you, but if they did that my wallet is doomed. Doomed I tell thee!

I am a family man, I have other priorities. At least that's what my wife keeps telling me.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Kickstarters have gone into a decline because of a number of disappointing projects, market oversaturation, etc.

GW can probably sell a good number of revised starter sets of games like Battle Fleet Gothic and Blood Bowl, if they are updated with modern figures and good production values. Look at the massive success of Space Hulk.

Dread Fleet OTOH is a sign that GW can do a terrible job producing a new boxed game. They need to make some good new games, not just rehash old classics.

While what you say is true, GW are working towards this. They are about to release a new game this weekend and after watching the battle report and watching two regulars play some of it in store today, I can say it looks like a good game. :-)

Necromunda, BFG and Epic are likely extremely safe bets for GW in this.
They tie in directly with the 40K universe, so people already have the seeds planted there whether they knew about these games previously or not.
...and even if the new studio munch the rules up, people will still by the minis in droves because they already have the rules they want.

I would imagine Bloodbowl is 'safe', in a way. It's notable that Mordheim and Man'o'war weren't mentioned. Both these games existed in the Old World setting - which is gone.
Bloodbowl always existed off to one side in it's own slightly comedic bubble so I doubt we'll see BloodBowl getting AoS'd - but it could be bad news for Mordheim.

Which is funny, because Mordheim minis would shift like crazy thanks to Frostgrave, if nothing else..

I'm calling this manoeuver "The Reverse Mantic"...

RoperPG wrote:

Which is funny, because Mordheim minis would shift like crazy thanks to Frostgrave, if nothing else..

I found a box of Free Company at a local store. Guess what I use for all my Frostgrave minis?

 Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

This must be an exciting time to work at GW,

Thanks for that, added to the OP! That's as official as it gets (being in the Warhammer app).

I would be surprised f we didn't see Mordheim. Mordheim was set 500 years before the then current WHFB setting so I don't see that as a problem. Then there's the fact that they can draw upon the large WHFB range of existing models for the warbands. Model-wise, I don't see any other specialist game as ready to go with maybe the exception of Blood Bowl.

It doesn't sound like we'll see much of anything soon - but I am really excited by this news... by far the best thing GW has decided to do lately, imo!

If they're going to adopt existing rulesets and make new minis, then Blood Bowl and Epic are the two most 'mature' rulesets, as they both had very successful publicly playtested rules in the final days of Specialist Games. Blood Bowl's existing rules are being used by a license-holder for a video game too.

In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

Both Hastings and Harry had talked about a BB re-release a few years back. Apparently it got scrapped at a late stage. So I hazard to guess that a lot of work has been done on that one already, making it low-hanging fruit.

decker_cky wrote:

In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

OHMYGOD I'd forgotten about Gorkamorka!
Which is really embarrassing, because playing "The Chase" scenario (where everything, including terrain, kept moving 6" toward a board edge every turn) is one of my favourite tabletop things ever.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There's no need, there's already perfectly good rulesets out in the wild, all we need is straightforward access to appropriate models.

Otherworld do some beautiful minis. Their vampires are amongst the very best IMO.

Yet, weirdly, if I lay down a Vampire Blitzer as a counts as Gloriana Class Battleship, my opponent looks at me funny.

decker_cky wrote:
In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

Only for the original boxed set. You'd have almost nothing for the Diggas and Muties from the Digganob expansion and I'm not sure how much would be needed for the Rebel Grotz.

Andy Chambers cited Gorkamorka as the worst game he created at GW. I wonder if that attitude exists still in GW HQ because Gorka never made it to "specialist game" status like the rest.

He also cited BFG as his best work at GW.

RoperPG wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

OHMYGOD I'd forgotten about Gorkamorka!
Which is really embarrassing, because playing "The Chase" scenario (where everything, including terrain, kept moving 6" toward a board edge every turn) is one of my favourite tabletop things ever.

Focus the game more around that kind of action and they might have something. But that seems like something far down the road.

 Ghaz wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

Only for the original boxed set. You'd have almost nothing for the Diggas and Muties from the Digganob expansion and I'm not sure how much would be needed for the Rebel Grotz.

The current Grotz kit for 40k looks almost identical to the old Rebal Grotz models IIRC. They just need that land yacht back haha

 Bottle wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Kickstarters have gone into a decline because of a number of disappointing projects, market oversaturation, etc.

GW can probably sell a good number of revised starter sets of games like Battle Fleet Gothic and Blood Bowl, if they are updated with modern figures and good production values. Look at the massive success of Space Hulk.

Dread Fleet OTOH is a sign that GW can do a terrible job producing a new boxed game. They need to make some good new games, not just rehash old classics.

While what you say is true, GW are working towards this. They are about to release a new game this weekend and after watching the battle report and watching two regulars play some of it in store today, I can say it looks like a good game. :-)

The Battle of Cailth?

As part of a range of games of different genres it would be good. By itself, yet another new 28mm SF skirmish game will not set the world alight unless you are a massive 40K fluff fan.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Kickstarters have gone into a decline because of a number of disappointing projects, market oversaturation, etc.

GW can probably sell a good number of revised starter sets of games like Battle Fleet Gothic and Blood Bowl, if they are updated with modern figures and good production values. Look at the massive success of Space Hulk.

Dread Fleet OTOH is a sign that GW can do a terrible job producing a new boxed game. They need to make some good new games, not just rehash old classics.

While what you say is true, GW are working towards this. They are about to release a new game this weekend and after watching the battle report and watching two regulars play some of it in store today, I can say it looks like a good game. :-)

The Battle of Cailth?

As part of a range of games of different genres it would be good. By itself, yet another new 28mm SF skirmish game will not set the world alight unless you are a massive 40K fluff fan.

The rules set it apart in my opinion. Really quick to learn and fun to play. I see it as a great tool for a 40k enthusiast to play with his non-wargaming but boardgame playing buddies. Once they start marveling at the beautiful miniatures too it's a slippery slope :-)

Maybe a redone Gorkamorka would give them excuse to do new Buggies/Trakks.

 Bottle wrote:
Andy Chambers cited Gorkamorka as the worst game he created at GW. I wonder if that attitude exists still in GW HQ because Gorka never made it to "specialist game" status like the rest.

That gives me a sad :/

 Bottle wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
In terms of miniatures, the easiest release would pretty clearly be Gorka Morka. All it's missing (aside from the side-gangs) is miniatures for things that are holes in the 40k Ork lineup.

Only for the original boxed set. You'd have almost nothing for the Diggas and Muties from the Digganob expansion and I'm not sure how much would be needed for the Rebel Grotz.

The current Grotz kit for 40k looks almost identical to the old Rebal Grotz models IIRC. They just need that land yacht back haha

I just really want to see a return of this guy...

 Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

This must be an exciting time to work at GW,

Oh it's always exciting working for GW in the same way living in stalinist russia was exciting with the secrecy, paranoia, yes men and purges.

For older gamers, I can't deny that the nostalgia appeal is a strong pull, but if these games didn't survive last time, then there's no reason to suggest it could work this time in a different climate.

There is competition this time, unlike the 90s.

For Necromunda, the Judge Dredd miniatures game is a great match. Established background and a great game to play.

For Mordheim, read Frostgrave or even the Mordheim videogame when it comes out. Less work to do.

For Blood Bowl, read Guildball or various other wacky versions on the market.

For epic, FOW has filled the void for me, and the miniatures are cheaper.

And of course, what about the communities that have invested time and effort in keeping specialist games alive? I doubt if they'll welcome GW turning up and telling them to sling their hooks.