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 Talys wrote:
Are we talking about Advanced HeroQuest?

Heck, I'd be *very* interested in AHQ as well!

A combat resolution of weapon skill versus... weapon skill?? Not "armor class"??? That was actually novel for the time and... wait, boardgames are STILL having you roll "attack dice" vs "defense dice" or some other number. Go AHQ!

The original AHQ had the same *bleeping* skaven sculpt, so, yeah, add the expansions and some monster variety into AHQ, please!

15mm Epic would be an incredibly stupid idea. Epic is already the game which is most likely to do what GW feared the first time around and cannibalise sales from their existing product lines. The closer Epic gets to 40k scale, the worse that effect would be. Producing both a 15mm Leman Russ and a 28mm Leman Russ is worse than just making a 28mm Leman Russ even if you could do it for free, because by doing that you're splitting the Apocalypse/Epic gaming community in half with two mutually exclusive scales.

They need to redo astrogranite for Blood Bowl in the current scale.

 warboss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
15mm (1:100) would see a Leman Russ tank at approximately 6cm long. IMHO, that's too big for Epic with their huge tanks. 10mm would be the absolute largest scale for Epic, IMHO.

That would work for me. I could use it with dropzone commander then (which I haven't gotten into because none of the factions appeal to me overall) if the rules suck.

You know you can use differant scales for games than the one a manufacturer might have made the game for. 6mm would work fine with 10mm rules with no alteration, both will almost certainly use CM.

Allot of Historical games are non-scale specific. The Battlegroup rules (a personal favourite) for example suggest 15mm and 20mm with advise for conversion to CM at smaller scales.

Anyway I digress, I own about a 15 Epic titans and would be furious if they couldn't be reused. Though I could see the attraction from GWs point of veiw I don't imagine they would be so stupid to upset existing epic players with a scale change, certainly not when that are so capable of nicer models.

ced1106 wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Are we talking about Advanced HeroQuest?

Heck, I'd be *very* interested in AHQ as well!

Given recent history with that IP, I don't see them touching it with a ten foot pole.

 Elemental wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

It wasn't that great as a rule system. In fact, games could be very one-sided and become quickly ridiculous with some experience.

Having just completed a Mordheim campaign I disagree. There are some issues certainly (not least the uselessness of armour) but overall it is a game that plays well, even in fairly long campaigns.

From the campaign I've been in, it really isn't. It has the same "rich get richer, poor get poorer" issue as Necromunda, losing all your Heroes to a turn of bad dice would shaft you in the post-game, as would suffering some unlucky deaths early on, and Skaven were game-breakers; some scenarios against them weren't even interactive. Good idea, but it needs a LOT of work.

Most of the time, if our opponents were outmatched by our warband, they would sacrifice a few henchmen and then withdraw. Get all your exploration dice, and since you only got to pick six anyways...

And, then you get underdog experience. It was often more rewarding to withdraw and give your opponent whatever you had, especially if it was the whrdstone hunt and you could snag one before you routed.

 Azreal13 wrote:
No.

Warhammer Quest.

I'm surprised such a hardcore GWphile doesn't know of it.

Ahhh... I looked it up. This released during one of the periods in my life when I was too busy working to do much hobby/gaming


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ced1106 wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Are we talking about Advanced HeroQuest?

Heck, I'd be *very* interested in AHQ as well!

A combat resolution of weapon skill versus... weapon skill?? Not "armor class"??? That was actually novel for the time and... wait, boardgames are STILL having you roll "attack dice" vs "defense dice" or some other number. Go AHQ!

The original AHQ had the same *bleeping* skaven sculpt, so, yeah, add the expansions and some monster variety into AHQ, please!

Heh, I remember those But they had uhhhh... different shields The original Space Hulk had a bazillion of the same genestealer too.

I just hope we see the return of Kerrunch, the game that Blood Bowl should have been

Obviously early days for this project, and real progress for the games/miniatures will take years but generally this is a very welcome move from GW.

 Necros wrote:
Actually 15mm would be a good idea for epic, everything roughly half the size of the 40 equivalent and there's already a lot of terrain out there on the market thanks to games like FOW.

A 15mm mini is around 1/4 to 1/3rd the height of a 28mm mini. In a 15mm game you would buy IG infantry in Platoons, in 6mm Epic you buy them in Companies, Epic was always about large armies of tiny men. I have armies in 6, 10, 15 and 27mm scales and for me 6mm is the only practical way to get the kind of armies that Epic demands.

10mm isn't much good either, the model count in DZC is significantly lower than Epic, party due to design philosophy but also because of scale. In DZC infantry are also bought in platoons and that's a bad thing for Epic scale games.

I think that only Titans and Aircraft (maybe) were different scales. The difference between a 6mm Marine and a 6mm Rhino are about the same as the difference between their 28mm counterparts. The same is also true of Leman Russ and Guardsmen.

There is a fair amount of 6mm terrain about, there would be no need to change to 15mm. In fact if they change to that scale they need to call it something else, because it wouldn't be 'epic' any more!

As much as I love the miniatures for DZC, and the concept, it isn't a patch on Epic in terms of a game.

Actually, it's also a very different game; not so much the scale difference (6 to 10 mil) but also in terms of how the game plays. Radically different in fact.

To expand on the scale discussion I took a photo of some stuff I had in my cabinet as a comparison.


6mm Epic Marines, 10mm UCM Colonial Legionnaires, 15mm Finnish Tankhunters, 28mm Guardsman (Victoria Miniatures).

Not the best of pictures (nor painting ) but its a good indicator of just how small 6mm minis actually are.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Actually 15mm would be a good idea for epic, everything roughly half the size of the 40 equivalent and there's already a lot of terrain out there on the market thanks to games like FOW.

A 15mm mini is around 1/4 to 1/3rd the height of a 28mm mini. In a 15mm game you would buy IG infantry in Platoons, in 6mm Epic you buy them in Companies, Epic was always about large armies of tiny men. I have armies in 6, 10, 15 and 27mm scales and for me 6mm is the only practical way to get the kind of armies that Epic demands.

Actually, by its very definition a 15mm mini is half the height of a 28mm. You know, it's what the scale means. Volume, of course, is quite another thing, but height is right there in the name of the scale.

 Albertorius wrote:

Actually, by its very definition a 15mm mini is half the height of a 28mm. You know, it's what the scale means. Volume, of course, is quite another thing, but height is right there in the name of the scale.

I meant 6mm (it is after all basic maths).

 AAN wrote:
Hmm, someone is showing my 6mm Marines.

These are fannade privat sculpts.
I presume GW could do the same quality, or?

Truth is Epic can be done in any scale from 6-15mm, it would all work as far as the models are concerned and even with the existing Armageddon rules.

And the Horus Heresy is just begging to be done in a grander scale! I am most curious what will come out of this.

Best kind of praise, you know. I've always loved your style, and that mini sounded very apropos for the conversation.

And yes, that was my point: if fanmade sculpts can look like that, surely GW's can too.


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 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Actually, by its very definition a 15mm mini is half the height of a 28mm. You know, it's what the scale means. Volume, of course, is quite another thing, but height is right there in the name of the scale.

I meant 6mm (it is after all basic maths).

That makes much more sense .

Epic Heresy that basically brought the normal range to 6mm would be incredible. Those fan made sculpts give a tantalising glimpse at what it could be!

Bring back Inquisitor and put it in 28mm scale.

The detail you can achieve on 6mm Epic miniatures - old and new ones - is quite impressive.

Vaaish from Twolandscreative.com



The 6mm scale allows nice modelling too

 Secrets of the Machine wrote:
Bring back Inquisitor and put it in 28mm scale.

This- so much! While having the larger models is great and all, scenery for that scale is a bugger to do.

I suspect that the current Epic rules set, while a personal favourite of mine, probably needs to be a little more direct to work with the target market. I'm not averse to that, if it brings in more players.

I'd probably prefer something in 10mm as well. I have pretty much all the official armies and some home brew factions, so it would be a pity not to use them anymore, but at the same time I think well sculpted 10mm could look awesome, like the some of the warmaster range did.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Actually 15mm would be a good idea for epic, everything roughly half the size of the 40 equivalent and there's already a lot of terrain out there on the market thanks to games like FOW.

A 15mm mini is around 1/4 to 1/3rd the height of a 28mm mini. In a 15mm game you would buy IG infantry in Platoons, in 6mm Epic you buy them in Companies, Epic was always about large armies of tiny men. I have armies in 6, 10, 15 and 27mm scales and for me 6mm is the only practical way to get the kind of armies that Epic demands.

Actually, by its very definition a 15mm mini is half the height of a 28mm. You know, it's what the scale means. Volume, of course, is quite another thing, but height is right there in the name of the scale.

Except of course a large amount of "28mm" figures these days are 35mm from head to foot. eg. GW, Mantic etc. This makes the 15mm figures more like 40% in height in reality.

The original version of epic "Space Marine" was set in the heresy to keep costs down by just having marines in the starter.

If the go back to heresy it would be going full circle.

Personally I'd vote for keeping Epic 6mm, but this time scaling everything properly. In a mass-battle game like Epic I'm not fussed if you can't pick out every detail on Trooper #17, 3rd Platoon, 7th Company of my Guard army, that's what the lovely big Titans and Superheavies are for, or 28mm+ scale games.

Epic is supposed to be, well, epic. I want the scale to be small enough that it would be practical to actually fight the major battles of the Siege of Terra on a normal sized(6-8x4) table, and even 10mm would be too big for that if you did scale the vehicles properly.

Agree that if "Epic" was to be relaunched the original Space marine setting in the Hersy would be ideal.

It would save cost for the bulk of the minis included and to add flavour you could add Character/demon/dreadnoughts etcsprues for each faction to the mix (bring back the rhomboid Land raider mark one).

Of course the follow up would be "battle box" expansions for each race, with a wide selection of infantry , vehicles and possibly a titan. Of course I would love to seea Titan battle box with 6 or more platic epic titans/gargants - I am old enoughto remember the battle Titans box the first time around.

We will have to wait and see, if GW have the corporate will to pull this off no.

Just bring back Titanicus, I want to battle it out with giant machines!

If you want more info on Epic, maybe try my site and the linked pages:
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/epic.html

Just some teaser pics from the subsites...

Necromunda: Glad I held on to all my gangs, bulkheads, and cardstock buildings all these years....kind of excited to see this come to fruition.

@AAN: I wonder when those guys who made those models will also be doing a normal Knight!

draftamike wrote:
Necromunda: Glad I held on to all my gangs, bulkheads, and cardstock buildings all these years....kind of excited to see this come to fruition.

But why would you use that kind of terrain nowadays? Buy Mantic city terrain or anything else to make bulkhead littered cities.. This is sorta my issue with rereleasing specialist games as there are tons of people that are nostalgic for these games yet what was stopping people from playing them? Unfortunately, the rules for mordheim and necromunda are both A) Totally outdated and B) Pretty terrible when you play dozens of games with them.. as an above poster said, the campaign system literally breaks down at a very early level. Even Bloodbowl got extremely repetitive mid-season simply due to over half the teams being functionally useless compared to any team with base AGI 4 or stunty

If GW is serious about these systems they need to realize why people barely played (yet vocally supported) these games. Releasing new models won't cut it when there are tons of city-fight skirmish games already out there and, of course, Dreadball.

So stoked for Epic coming back.

And for the first time in a long time, excited about GW and their future.

 AAN wrote:


Just some teaser pics from the subsites...

Are those your figs? And official GW stuff? If so, what scale are they?