New GW Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BB, BFG - Small scale Warlord Titan by FW (one-off)

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**Breotan**

Grimskul wrote:
Hot diggity, I would love to see some Ork Gargants at that size.

Malika2 wrote:
I can't wait to see an Imperator Titan in that scale!

Um... okay?

**Grot 6**

Like this one.....

**Ghaz**

I'd love to see what they come up with for Epic 40K Necrons.

**gorgon**

MLaw wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
All the new jobs for SG just went up and it appears the rainbows and uncornfarts just ended.

In fact it is the worst news possible as they are looking for a lead for the studio who has a bussines and accounting background like the main GW studio.

So they are effectively by definition killing forgeworld and have managed to get people to cheer about it .

In fact the job descriptions are pretty depressing and look like them doubling down on the polices that brought us AoS and the current 40k ruleset.

Obviously you've never worked in any form of production studio. There is always a project manager with a business degree who is setting up milestones, tasking artists and sculptors, attending meetings to get yelled at, returning from meetings and likely yelling at the people responsible for the area that resulted in the yelling from said meeting, assigning schedules for individual tasks, making sure the concept art for sculpt A is completed and given to Sculptor A when it's supposed to be, etc etc.
That's just how it works. As a creative, I have gone to too many meetings where I had to listen to the business person you're talking about go on and on about charts, milestones, etc.. until I got to the point that I was attending and eventually running those meetings.. it's a necessary evil to make sure large complicated projects are accomplished how and when they are supposed to be to meet deadlines. Meeting deadlines means things go on sale when they're supposed to which means funding is in place when it's supposed to be so the business can go on. You know.. the way businesses that don't rely on Kickstarter operate..

No doubt that it's always a team effort. There really is nothing to see here except someone trying to invent something to complain about.

**Breotan**

Ghaz wrote:
I'd love to see what they come up with for Epic 40K Necrons.

I will have to sell my house to finance my Epic armies.

**notprop**

Ghaz wrote:
I'd love to see what they come up with for Epic 40K Necrons.

Don't worry, GW will have pulled the plug on SG again long before they get around to Necrons!

**Malika2**

Breotan wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Hot diggity, I would love to see some Ork Gargants at that size.

Malika2 wrote:
I can't wait to see an Imperator Titan in that scale!

Um... okay?

I don't get it...I mean, an Imperator is probably about 1.5 times bigger than a Warlord, so in Epic scale it would probably be about the size of GW's 40k scaled Knight model, maybe a little bit bigger?

**H.B.M.C.**

That Epic Warlord won't be any less than £80. Shame.

**Alpharius**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Epic Warlord won't be any less than £80. Shame.

I was thinking the same thing...given how much Dreadnoughts of a similar size are going for now.

Our only hope for a realistically priced Epic game is...GW?!?

**Silent Puffin?**

Malika2 wrote:

I don't get it...I mean, an Imperator is probably about 1.5 times bigger than a Warlord, so in Epic scale it would probably be about the size of GW's 40k scaled Knight model, maybe a little bit bigger?

I don't think that Titans were ever given proper scales, 40K knight sized would probably be appropriate for an Imperator though.

**Kojiro**

Breotan wrote:
So, has this made the rounds yet? If not, then I has a rumor.

I was bemoaning in another thread about how GW refuses to sell me Epic/Titanicus. This makes me happy.

Though I do kinda wish it had the void shield counter base. I loved those. Easiest book keeping ever.

A good friend of mine is a huge Blood Bowl fan. He's actually more worried by this. His belief is basically that they community doesn't need anything from GW. They have a massive selection of minis available and the rules... well the rules are pretty much perfect, refined over literally decades. The fear is that, given how good they are and how difficult it is to improve on something really good, any changes GW will make are likely to be negative. And of course if they do, the player base will fracture between those who want to play GW Official™ and the Community BRB.

Overall though I'm quite excited for SG revival. It'll be the first time in a long time I give GW money for anything other than paint.

**AllSeeingSkink**

For the first time in a long time I'm quietly optimistic about something GW might be doing.

**ced1106**

Yodhrin wrote:

*They played the games when they were young and through carelessness/theft/moving away from home have lost their rules and/or models.
*They played the games but were unable to get hold of all the factions/models/supplements they wanted before GW canned them and now cannot afford the insane ebay prices for OOP Specialist Games models.
*They found the games appealing but were doing other projects when they were available and didn't want to go to the effort of reviving an unsupported game in their local group.
*They still play the games today and are looking forward to the prospect of lots of new players joining their campaigns.
*They are excited by the possibility of seeing their favourite factions from Ye Olden Dayes rendered using modern plastic & resin tech.

To elaborate on the second point, some of the old GW miniatures games should have come with a big red label saying "BOX DOES NOT COME WITH EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH". For example, Advanced Space Crusade had Scout and Tyranid models. No marines, terminators, genestealers, or other figures. Advanced HeroQuest came with *one* monster sculpt, a Skaven. The game came with only one adventure, which called for not just a second Skaven sculpt (Scout), but also the various Skaven personalities which were only available as metal miniatures. On a teenager's allowance, these base games were expensive, the expansions were expensive, and the additional figures were expensive -- and Space Crusade wasn't even available in the US!

Oh, and I'm sure we're only interested in the return of the better games. Or should I dig out and play that Space Scout game where you chucked dice into the box lid?

**Azreal13**

Oi, Space Fleet required throwing dice into a box lid, and look how that turned out!

**Kojiro**

Oh man, the old 9 squares in the top of the box. I had totally forgotten about them.

I think one of the things SGs did was give people something else to do with their minis. I remember buying Terminators and thinking not only 'awesome I have more for my Ultramarines!' (cos I was stupid back then and didn't understand how ineffective they were) but also thinking 'Aww yeah, Space Hulk time!' I remember buying a Skaven BB team because Skaven were my think in WHFB. And I didn't mind buying a box as a one off. I could play with FB minis but eventually I bought a team (including kickers, something Skaven couldn't have!)

Yes, quietly optimistic. Which makes me think that if they screw this up, it'll be all the more frustrating.

**Azreal13**

Yeah, that's always been my point whenever "GW should bring back SG" comes up.

I have my 40K/AOS/WHFB army. I'm essentially "done" with it, and while you can always add more, most people will reach a point where they're not motivated to add anything new until there's an update.

SGs mean you can create your faction in different guises, my Emperor's Children can be a Crusade Fleet, a Planetary Invasion Force and a Platoon level force, and I have something else to do when I don't feel like working on the 30mm scale version.

Plus, Blood Bowl.

One thing that's occurred as I've been typing is that they can also provide a very important release from the grind of core game releases for the main studio, which, if we're lucky, may see an uptick in quality from them too.

**Jehan-reznor**

Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just a few question/thoughts...

It seems a vast amount of people here are nostalgic for those old games. If you're nostalgic for them, I'm assuming you played them at some point in the past.
If that's the case, then what happened to your game/figures? Did you sell them? Do you still have them? If you sold them, the question is why? Was the game not good enough or fun enough anymore? If you still have them, then why are you getting so excited again? For a reprint you'll have to buy with slightly altered rules? Does the original you own not work anymore? Have the old figures you bought stopped working?

I'm seriously struggling to see why everyone is so excited. OK, so I understand why some of the newer players who have heard about these "great oldies" but not had a chance to play them are getting excited. If I was one of those people though, I'd be asking if they were so great, why aren't people playing them regularly now if they're so good. It's not like GW took your rulebook and minis away when they stopped "supporting" it. It's not like other companies out there haven't carried on making suitable figures for you.

The more I read Dakka, the more I realise that mini gamers are more like CCG collectors. If a game is stopped being made, people stop playing it. They're only happy when purchasing new stuff.
Maybe GW was right stating that the main part of their HHHobby was buying GW stuff.

Nice disguised troll post.

But to answer your question, i still have all my Specialist games stuff, left most of it in my home country when i moved to Japan. But seriously it is about supporting the games of old. Updating the armies to current status, chance of re-designed or new starter sets. addition of new races, BFG admech fleets, Space marine specific fleets, necron in plastic? Epic imperial knights all those new tanks and flyers in epic. Lots of possibilities!
So if it is true

Spoiler:

**SilverDevilfish**

SeanDrake wrote:
All the new jobs for SG just went up and it appears the rainbows and uncornfarts just ended.

In fact it is the worst news possible as they are looking for a lead for the studio who has a bussines and accounting background like the main GW studio.

So they are effectively by definition killing forgeworld and have managed to get people to cheer about it .

In fact the job descriptions are pretty depressing and look like them doubling down on the polices that brought us AoS and the current 40k ruleset.

Wait where do they talk about the required skills for the job? The job descriptions on the site don't really say much (they're kind of crap).

**str00dles1**

My guess is necrons will look like this

**Harriticus**

GW getting rid of one of its more bizarre policies, killing specialist games, is a great decision.

Maybe they'll do what other normal companies also do now, like not being anti-advertising or anti-PR

**doktor_g**

I know right? Necrons and all that stuff has been made... by the "underground."

Anyhoo regarding BB my buddy echoed the above poster's concerns. Good rules now GW will ruin. I doubt it though. I think its gonna be great!!!! I started in the 80s/90s with "Adeptus Titanicus" then "Space Marine" then "Blood Bowl". I'm looking forward to the renewed interest.

**Breotan**

Malika2 wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Hot diggity, I would love to see some Ork Gargants at that size.

Malika2 wrote:
I can't wait to see an Imperator Titan in that scale!

Um... okay?

Spoiler:

I don't get it...I mean, an Imperator is probably about 1.5 times bigger than a Warlord, so in Epic scale it would probably be about the size of GW's 40k scaled Knight model, maybe a little bit bigger?

Epic Imperators and Gargants already exist. Have since the Titan Legions game.

**AlexHolker**

Kojiro wrote:
A good friend of mine is a huge Blood Bowl fan. He's actually more worried by this. His belief is basically that they community doesn't need anything from GW. They have a massive selection of minis available and the rules... well the rules are pretty much perfect, refined over literally decades.

I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

**str00dles1**

for those curious on the current epic scale of Titans:

**Vain**

AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

There is competitive and there is thematic, while it would be awesome when you could get a perfect blend all the time, sometimes a compromise needs to be made, much like in real life.
I am perfectly happy with some of the teams being harder than the others, gives you a bit of a Dan Hibiki (from Street Fighter fame) feel to play around with. "Aww man, not only did he school me, he was using Ogres as well!"

I am more looking forward to the higher end of things, and how it can balance some of the teams (damn Wood Elves) for Tournaments but still make them viable for Leagues.
That is currently the problem I see with the one universal rule-set as it is not equal for a resurrection style tournament AS WELL AS an ongoing league formal.
And I haven't come across anything that solves that issue despite, 3 LRBs, 10 years of playing and much thinking.

**Kojiro**

AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

I only play once per year, at the big tournament so I'm far from an expert on the balance overall, I'm mostly relaying his fears. That said I will agree it has never seemed balanced to me. A Definitive Edition™ would be great and balance would also be wonderful but I wonder if this is something BB can ever achieve? The depth of the game doesn't come from rules but from the play itself (though as a flimsy Skaven player I've always felt hard done by in leagues). More over, while they're not perfect, it seems to me that they're so far along that tinkering is more likely to degrade the rules than enhance them.

**Jehan-reznor**

Kojiro wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

I only play once per year, at the big tournament so I'm far from an expert on the balance overall, I'm mostly relaying his fears. That said I will agree it has never seemed balanced to me. A Definitive Edition™ would be great and balance would also be wonderful but I wonder if this is something BB can ever achieve? The depth of the game doesn't come from rules but from the play itself (though as a flimsy Skaven player I've always felt hard done by in leagues). More over, while they're not perfect, it seems to me that they're so far along that tinkering is more likely to degrade the rules than enhance them.

I think the living bloodbowl rulebook is quite balanced, And an Ogre team should be difficult to play, they should go for eating the enemy team and not the ball.

**decker_cky**

AlexHolker wrote:
Kojiro wrote:
A good friend of mine is a huge Blood Bowl fan. He's actually more worried by this. His belief is basically that they community doesn't need anything from GW. They have a massive selection of minis available and the rules... well the rules are pretty much perfect, refined over literally decades.

I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

That's nice for you to want, but it doesn't fit with the design of the game. There's purposeful tiers of teams. Halflings, as the main example of lower tier teams, should never be as good as a serious team. LRB6 isn't perfect, but it kind of IS the definitive edition. There's some tweaks that would be worthwhile, but the core is the strongest it's ever been, based on a player tested system. I'm excited for specialist games to be re-released, except for Blood Bowl, which doesn't have a lot of room to improve.

**AlexHolker**

decker_cky wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

That's nice for you to want, but it doesn't fit with the design of the game. There's purposeful tiers of teams. Halflings, as the main example of lower tier teams, should never be as good as a serious team. LRB6 isn't perfect, but it kind of IS the definitive edition. There's some tweaks that would be worthwhile, but the core is the strongest it's ever been, based on a player tested system. I'm excited for specialist games to be re-released, except for Blood Bowl, which doesn't have a lot of room to improve.

I know that they did it deliberately. That doesn't make it good design.

According to the 2013 FUMBBL statistics, there are only three teams that have less than a 45% win rate: Halflings (37%); Goblins (27%); and Ogres (27%). All three of those teams are in the bottom 5 least played teams. Do you think that's a coincidence, or are you willing to admit that the majority of people disagree with you that playing a team with a severe and arbitrary handicap is in any way desirable?

**Vain**

AlexHolker wrote:
I know that they did it deliberately. That doesn't make it good design.

According to the 2013 FUMBBL statistics, there are only three teams that have less than a 45% win rate: Halflings (37%); Goblins (27%); and Ogres (27%). All three of those teams are in the bottom 5 least played teams. Do you think that's a coincidence, or are you willing to admit that the majority of people disagree with you that playing a team with a severe and arbitrary handicap is in any way desirable?

It might not make it good design in your eyes, but that is just..uh..your opinion man.

Despite their incompetence and willingness to eat other players I have great love of my Goblins as they are full of character.
If I wanted a perfectly balanced game I would be looking for something like Chess, but even that isn't balanced as one team gets to go first all the time...
I like that there are plucky underdogs with crazy abilities and options, as much as I like there are hyper capable passing teams and brutal steamroller bash teams.
That is all the stuff that adds to the flavour.

For others who wish to see what alex is quoting:

Spoiler:

Now, I think that will be enough from me about it in this thread, but if nothing else this rumour has gotten new people talking/hearing about Bloodbowl again and that is a good thing.