New GW Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BB, BFG - Small scale Warlord Titan by FW (one-off)

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**zedmeister**

Breotan wrote:
So, has this made the rounds yet? If not, then I has a rumor.

Oh my days. Oh god. I think I'm going to faint:

Epic RETURNS!

Edit: This really really shakes up my hobby planning. I am seriously looking at my collection with the intention of liquidating a ton of it on ebay over the coming months and Kickstarters are being binned. I'm even considering dropping my Dropfleet Kickstarter. I am long overdue for a new edition of Epic. Choices choices...

**notprop**

FW don't operate an old skool sculpting regime do they?

i.e 28mm models get done in 3-Ups, therefore that could be a 3-down for big models.......

**zedmeister**

notprop wrote:
FW don't operate an old skool sculpting regime do they?

i.e 28mm models get done in 3-Ups, therefore that could be a 3-down for big models.......

They used to at one point. I do know the Will Hayes has partially sculpted a 6mm true scale Warhound about 10 years ago. Doubt they'd do it now. In fact, I would have thought that 3D scultping would probably make it easier to bash a model out in a different scale.

Though, what a way to cash in on the 3-up. £1,200 a time...

**ORicK**

For me, this might be the best wargaming news in years...

And the return of Epic, if in the same scale (so the old models are still usuable) would be the best news.

**foostick**

Popped into my local GW on Saturday to pick up a couple of books and take a look at BaC - got talking to the manager as I'd been in chatting a couple of weeks ago about wanting BaC. They asked if I was picking a copy up and I said I wasn't due to money etc having just got back from my stag do and getting married next month.

Conversation then moved onto the SG announcement and I said that as much as I'd like BaC if I had a choice between Necromunda and BaC that I'd go for Necromunda and given the finances are going to be tight post wedding that I'd probably leave BaC in the hopes a Necromunda announcement would be coming. The manager said to me that it was going to be coming and that the staff in their store were all brushing off their Necromunda minis and gearing up for it as it was the most popular game among them. Obviously they could be just making assumptions as we are but we had a seriously long winded chat about campaigns and gangs and potential new gangs etc.

This is a stark contrast to about 2 months ago when I went in to get some Dark Eldar Wyches to make some proxy Escher with and when I said that's what I was doing they all clammed up

At the very least I guess that the fact Necromunda isn't a dirty word in GW stores is a good thing.

**reds8n**

http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-country/uk/

lot of jobs going.

.. if you know your Tolkein might be worth a shot eh ?

**H.B.M.C.**

Of course you have to actually move to Nottingham.

**notprop**

You'd have to give up that princely Aussie minimum wage you cherish so much too......

**Hanskrampf**

reds8n wrote:
http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-country/uk/

lot of jobs going.

.. if you know your Tolkein might be worth a shot eh ?

Nice, they are searching for Graphic Designers for books and boxes. I love book design...
Forgeworld "Apply here" link doesn't work, though.

**Elemental**

AlexHolker wrote:
According to the 2013 FUMBBL statistics, there are only three teams that have less than a 45% win rate: Halflings (37%); Goblins (27%); and Ogres (27%). All three of those teams are in the bottom 5 least played teams. Do you think that's a coincidence, or are you willing to admit that the majority of people disagree with you that playing a team with a severe and arbitrary handicap is in any way desirable?

I don't mind Halflings and Goblins being joke teams, the important thing for me is that they're explicitly called out as being joke teams in their descriptions.

**Kilkrazy**

I note they are still looking for people with the right attitude in front of the right skills.

**Rayvon**

Elemental wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
According to the 2013 FUMBBL statistics, there are only three teams that have less than a 45% win rate: Halflings (37%); Goblins (27%); and Ogres (27%). All three of those teams are in the bottom 5 least played teams. Do you think that's a coincidence, or are you willing to admit that the majority of people disagree with you that playing a team with a severe and arbitrary handicap is in any way desirable?

I don't mind Halflings and Goblins being joke teams, the important thing for me is that they're explicitly called out as being joke teams in their descriptions.

Same here, its part of the game to have more challanging teams, some players play these teams a lot, simply for fun.

**Mr Morden**

AlexHolker wrote:
decker_cky wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I don't agree that they are perfect. What Blood Bowl needs is a Definitive Edition that is not held back by the idea that it's good that the game is not balanced. All teams should be able to field competitive teams, and anyone who does not want to field a competitive team should just handicap themselves by not spending all their gold and inducement money, instead of GW assuming you chose to play Ogres because you want to be the worst team in the league.

That's nice for you to want, but it doesn't fit with the design of the game. There's purposeful tiers of teams. Halflings, as the main example of lower tier teams, should never be as good as a serious team. LRB6 isn't perfect, but it kind of IS the definitive edition. There's some tweaks that would be worthwhile, but the core is the strongest it's ever been, based on a player tested system. I'm excited for specialist games to be re-released, except for Blood Bowl, which doesn't have a lot of room to improve.

I know that they did it deliberately. That doesn't make it good design.

According to the 2013 FUMBBL statistics, there are only three teams that have less than a 45% win rate: Halflings (37%); Goblins (27%); and Ogres (27%). All three of those teams are in the bottom 5 least played teams. Do you think that's a coincidence, or are you willing to admit that the majority of people disagree with you that playing a team with a severe and arbitrary handicap is in any way desirable?

So do they still have the absolutely stupid "if you forget to move the turn maker its a turnover"?

- the only thing I completely hated and despised in the rules.

**Grimtuff**

Mr Morden wrote:

So do they still have the absolutely stupid "if you forget to move the turn maker its a turnover"?

- the only thing I completely hated and despised in the rules.

Sorry, but what exactly is stupid about the illegal procedure mechanic?

**Mr Morden**

Grimtuff wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

So do they still have the absolutely stupid "if you forget to move the turn maker its a turnover"?

- the only thing I completely hated and despised in the rules.

Sorry, but what exactly is stupid about the illegal procedure mechanic?

Penalising people so dramatically for forgetting something - something so very minor and unrelated to the actual gameplay especially when they are just starting is ludicrous - I simply would not play the game with that rule in operation...... it also promotes people trying to catch the other player out.

**Kojiro**

Last tournament I played in- after a hiatus from BB- it was not in effect.

**Mr Morden**

Kojiro wrote:
Last tournament I played in- after a hiatus from BB- it was not in effect.

Good to hear

**decker_cky**

Illegal procedure is still a rule, but it's much less penalizing than it was previously. It burns a reroll (and uses your reroll for the turn), but if you're out of rerolls, it instead gives your opponent a reroll.

Lots of leagues and tournaments don't use it. Mine does, since it forces people to develop good habits.

**Elemental**

Grimtuff wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

So do they still have the absolutely stupid "if you forget to move the turn maker its a turnover"?

- the only thing I completely hated and despised in the rules.

Sorry, but what exactly is stupid about the illegal procedure mechanic?

It punishes enthusiasm. "Oh, were you raring to go with your turn and do cool stuff? NOPE! GOTCHA! You skip a turn and probably throw the game. Doesn't matter that you did everything right up to that point, you failed a memory test that has nothing to do with any other rule in the game."

I cannot think of one single game of Blood Bowl that rule enhanced, but I can think of a lot it ruined and made into miserable negative play experiences. The change of the rule merely made it annoying and sometimes game-spoiling, rather than 100% game-spoiling. I'm a very open minded and accepting person on most issues, but if you defend the IP rule, you're simply wrong wrong wronginty wrong.

**Herzlos**

foostick wrote:
Popped into my local GW on Saturday to pick up a couple of books and take a look at BaC - got talking to the manager as I'd been in chatting a couple of weeks ago about wanting BaC. They asked if I was picking a copy up and I said I wasn't due to money etc having just got back from my stag do and getting married next month.

Conversation then moved onto the SG announcement and I said that as much as I'd like BaC if I had a choice between Necromunda and BaC that I'd go for Necromunda and given the finances are going to be tight post wedding that I'd probably leave BaC in the hopes a Necromunda announcement would be coming. The manager said to me that it was going to be coming and that the staff in their store were all brushing off their Necromunda minis and gearing up for it as it was the most popular game among them. Obviously they could be just making assumptions as we are but we had a seriously long winded chat about campaigns and gangs and potential new gangs etc.

This is a stark contrast to about 2 months ago when I went in to get some Dark Eldar Wyches to make some proxy Escher with and when I said that's what I was doing they all clammed up

At the very least I guess that the fact Necromunda isn't a dirty word in GW stores is a good thing.

I expect that's mostly hype, apparently the teams doing the relaunching haven't been formed yet, and they don't actually know what they are going to start on. They'll probably do Necromunda but I think Blood Bowl will be first as they had 4 teams ready to go before they pulled it due to Dreadfleet. So If there is going to be a Necromunda re-release, it's unlikely to be out until at least 2017, and the staff will no doubt be encouraged to use new teams for it (assuming they still work for GW by then).

It's good to get excited, but it's definitely worth managing expectations here. It's a long way out.

**Matakakea**

A Middle Earth figure designer? With barely two years to go on the copyrights? I don't know what they're up to, but I'll save a little anticipation for this one.

**Crazyterran**

Matakakea wrote:
A Middle Earth figure designer? With barely two years to go on the copyrights? I don't know what they're up to, but I'll save a little anticipation for this one.

Unless they plan on renewing.

**notprop**

I'd imagine they have commitments to meet on the licence?

**Mr Morden**

Elemental wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

So do they still have the absolutely stupid "if you forget to move the turn maker its a turnover"?

- the only thing I completely hated and despised in the rules.

Sorry, but what exactly is stupid about the illegal procedure mechanic?

It punishes enthusiasm. "Oh, were you raring to go with your turn and do cool stuff? NOPE! GOTCHA! You skip a turn and probably throw the game. Doesn't matter that you did everything right up to that point, you failed a memory test that has nothing to do with any other rule in the game."

I cannot think of one single game of Blood Bowl that rule enhanced, but I can think of a lot it ruined and made into miserable negative play experiences. The change of the rule merely made it annoying and sometimes game-spoiling, rather than 100% game-spoiling. I'm a very open minded and accepting person on most issues, but if you defend the IP rule, you're simply wrong wrong wronginty wrong.

This - so much this

**Slinky**

When my friends and I used to play, it added a real sense of danger to proceedings

**mechanicalhorizon**

reds8n wrote:
http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/vacancies-by-country/uk/

lot of jobs going.

.. if you know your Tolkein might be worth a shot eh ?

I'm debating whether or not to send another application in to the studio (or the FW one) for a sculpting position.

I was told by another sculptor who works at the studio they do still use traditional sculpting, although not as much as they used to. Mostly it's FW that still does more traditional work.

Unfortunately the last 2 times I sent one in I wasn't invited to an interview. :(

**Gimgamgoo**

Jehan-reznor wrote:
Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just a few question/thoughts...

It seems a vast amount of people here are nostalgic for those old games. If you're nostalgic for them, I'm assuming you played them at some point in the past.
If that's the case, then what happened to your game/figures? Did you sell them? Do you still have them? If you sold them, the question is why? Was the game not good enough or fun enough anymore? If you still have them, then why are you getting so excited again? For a reprint you'll have to buy with slightly altered rules? Does the original you own not work anymore? Have the old figures you bought stopped working?

I'm seriously struggling to see why everyone is so excited. OK, so I understand why some of the newer players who have heard about these "great oldies" but not had a chance to play them are getting excited. If I was one of those people though, I'd be asking if they were so great, why aren't people playing them regularly now if they're so good. It's not like GW took your rulebook and minis away when they stopped "supporting" it. It's not like other companies out there haven't carried on making suitable figures for you.

The more I read Dakka, the more I realise that mini gamers are more like CCG collectors. If a game is stopped being made, people stop playing it. They're only happy when purchasing new stuff.
Maybe GW was right stating that the main part of their HHHobby was buying GW stuff.

Nice disguised troll post.

Erm. Bullkgak. If I wanted to troll, I'd troll clearly.

I've been buying GW stuff since 1984. I felt insulted when GW stated that the main part of the hobby was buying stuff, but the more I read and see, the more they seem to be right.
As mini gamers, we're not happy unless there's a continual stream of new stuff to buy. Once that stops, the games die away. (Yeah, I get it that we need the game to be on sale to attract more players in to replace those that leave). All I was doing was voicing my own worry for the way we act as consumers in this hobby - especially with regards to repurchasing stuff we already have.

Jehan-reznor wrote:

But to answer your question, i still have all my Specialist games stuff, left most of it in my home country when i moved to Japan. But seriously it is about supporting the games of old. Updating the armies to current status, chance of re-designed or new starter sets. addition of new races, BFG admech fleets, Space marine specific fleets, necron in plastic? Epic imperial knights all those new tanks and flyers in epic. Lots of possibilities!

Ditto. Infact last month I'd just sorted a pile of about 90 metal unpainted Necromunda models out. I was going to ebay them and just keep the painted ones, but I think I'll hang onto them. Maybe I'll get some good games of Necromunda in with all the Deadzone terrain I have now. Of course that will depend if Deadzone2 turns out to be a better game than the rehash GW do of Necromunda.

However, do you think they'll be bringing out new races so soon? Surely the first job will be re-making all the basics. I'm sure that's quite a few years worth of releases before we see anything new.

**timd**

zedmeister wrote:
Necromunda needs terrain and I doubt they'd miss the opportunity to do it in plastic (and flog it to the 40k and 30k as a bonus!)

THIS! PLEASE! Necro terrain is pretty useless and needs to be heavily supplemented. Not nearly enough cover on the ground or the platforms and too many tiny little holes that allow cheesy, cheap shots. Bring on the plastic terrain that actually looks like the artwork in the books.

T

**wilycoyote**

You missed Battle Systems Post Apocalypse KS then? The Shanty town option was ideal for Necromunda.

For variety add in some of their excellent sci fi stuff.

**scarletsquig**

Will there be support for all dead games, including Warhammer?