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2015/11/16 19:45:14
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Luck is a human construct. I don't believe in luck.
Yet you are religious....
Those two things are inequatable. God determines everything that happens and how everything plays out. I am not but a pawn in his game
So free will is a Lie then?
Nope, free will is a thing, but God still determines how every game will end, figuratively speaking.
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2015/11/16 19:51:04
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
If this were a different question: What's the higher priority? Keeping people alive and their hearts in their chest or making sure that people feel like their beliefs are being respected, I'm probably gonna go with the hearts not being ripped out thing. The government is inclined to agree and that's why any practicing ancient Aztecs would likely find that police would cramp their style.
You nailed it here. The "test" is does allowing the person to honor their expressed religious belief system place an undue burden on society; if the answer is no, they get a pass.
Brings up an interesting side-shoot of the conversation; what about burqas?
This is a bit tougher since total concealment is inherently at odds with any kind of identification both at the time you're trying to check (even if an ID card wasn't involved) and for record keeping purposes. In this case I'd be of the opinion that this cannot be reasonably accommodated under the current system, since "Totally exempt from any kind of identity verification" is an undue burden on society.
That said a more flexible system might find a compromise. For example granting two ID's. One with the total concealment that can be used for everyday non-security purposes like driving or buying cigs. One non-concealed ID used for security purposes, say at the airport that they can ask to have verified in private by a female officer when one is available. This might not be ideal for either side but it'd be better imo than than taking a hard-line stance either way.
This is actually a smart idea... Too bad nobody in the Higher-Ups has ideas like this...
Which is exactly why it would never happen.
The sad thing is that States already have a framework for this to work in the form of State ID vs Driver's License..
How dare you draw correlation between my holy God and that Blasphemy But seriously, don't.
It's kind of hard to talk about how ridiculous one religion is if we're not allowed to talk about the cognitive dissonance presented by facets of other religions. Or is this a case of it being OK to make fun of other peoples' sincerely held beliefs but don't talk about mine?
If youh sincerely believe in the FSM when the creator of it has admitted to it being a farce, there isn't much hope for you. Pretty cut and dried.
"You", of course, being in general. People jokingly praying to it...yeah, I get that. People serious? Um...no. I think they've been out in the sun too long.
How the religion is formed is really irrelevant. If proof emerged from the vatican that Jesus & the new testament was just made up and none of it is real, that christians would just stop being christians? of course not, jesus himself could come down and tell them that Islam is the true religion and christians still wouldn't give up their beliefs. Religions don't need a creator, again back to Buddhism, a religion of man, based on human understanding is as real, if not more real, than any religion claiming some god figure.
You know what other fun religion that people take seriously has come about in the last few decades? Jedi, and it's officially recognized in some countries.
If the Vatican? Catholicism is borderline Heresy.
If Jesus came down, he wouldn't say Islam is the true religion trust me.
No, more likely he would say there is no true "religion" as long as you believe in god and love your fellow man. The guy was the first hippy on earth, the same man who said that it wasn't necessary to go to church because church is in your heart and fought against the power of the temple priests. Seriously, take church and priests out of the equation and you have a much more personal relationship with your creator; the label you put on it doesn't matter at that point.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
2015/11/16 19:57:02
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
If this were a different question: What's the higher priority? Keeping people alive and their hearts in their chest or making sure that people feel like their beliefs are being respected, I'm probably gonna go with the hearts not being ripped out thing. The government is inclined to agree and that's why any practicing ancient Aztecs would likely find that police would cramp their style.
You nailed it here. The "test" is does allowing the person to honor their expressed religious belief system place an undue burden on society; if the answer is no, they get a pass.
Brings up an interesting side-shoot of the conversation; what about burqas?
This is a bit tougher since total concealment is inherently at odds with any kind of identification both at the time you're trying to check (even if an ID card wasn't involved) and for record keeping purposes. In this case I'd be of the opinion that this cannot be reasonably accommodated under the current system, since "Totally exempt from any kind of identity verification" is an undue burden on society.
That said a more flexible system might find a compromise. For example granting two ID's. One with the total concealment that can be used for everyday non-security purposes like driving or buying cigs. One non-concealed ID used for security purposes, say at the airport that they can ask to have verified in private by a female officer when one is available. This might not be ideal for either side but it'd be better imo than than taking a hard-line stance either way.
This is actually a smart idea... Too bad nobody in the Higher-Ups has ideas like this...
Which is exactly why it would never happen.
The sad thing is that States already have a framework for this to work in the form of State ID vs Driver's License..
Let's also remember you are not required to have any piece of ID. They are completely optional.
2015/11/16 20:00:41
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
If this were a different question: What's the higher priority? Keeping people alive and their hearts in their chest or making sure that people feel like their beliefs are being respected, I'm probably gonna go with the hearts not being ripped out thing. The government is inclined to agree and that's why any practicing ancient Aztecs would likely find that police would cramp their style.
You nailed it here. The "test" is does allowing the person to honor their expressed religious belief system place an undue burden on society; if the answer is no, they get a pass.
Brings up an interesting side-shoot of the conversation; what about burqas?
This is a bit tougher since total concealment is inherently at odds with any kind of identification both at the time you're trying to check (even if an ID card wasn't involved) and for record keeping purposes. In this case I'd be of the opinion that this cannot be reasonably accommodated under the current system, since "Totally exempt from any kind of identity verification" is an undue burden on society.
That said a more flexible system might find a compromise. For example granting two ID's. One with the total concealment that can be used for everyday non-security purposes like driving or buying cigs. One non-concealed ID used for security purposes, say at the airport that they can ask to have verified in private by a female officer when one is available. This might not be ideal for either side but it'd be better imo than than taking a hard-line stance either way.
This is actually a smart idea... Too bad nobody in the Higher-Ups has ideas like this...
Which is exactly why it would never happen.
The sad thing is that States already have a framework for this to work in the form of State ID vs Driver's License..
Let's also remember you are not required to have any piece of ID. They are completely optional.
It depends on what you're doing. If you're driving, you very much have to have a driver's license as driving is a privilege, not a right.
(though some argue that DLs aren't even required)
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2015/11/16 20:08:41
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Other religions are allowed to wear symbols of their faith on their ID's, why not pastafarians?
Except we all know that it isn't a real religion. It's a joke created specifically to object to creationism being taught in schools, and has since been used as means mean to mock religion generally and frame the religious as foolish. Which is fine for a few yuks among the like minded, but it's at minimum in poor taste when you force it into public consideration like this.
And I object to religion being forced into public consideratio everywhere. Yay! We all agree that there should be no religion anywhere!
If your made up fairy stories get special treatment, so should everyone elses. Or do you have any proof that yours are totes legit and no one elses are?
R'amen brother!
2015/11/16 20:40:35
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
welshhoppo wrote: May his noodly appendages cover the world and bring his children to the light.
Don't start dude. We all know youre an atheist.
H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
2015/11/16 21:00:18
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
(I know I posted about this on another thread, but this baffles me every time it comes up!)
Catholicism is a sub-sect of Christianity...
H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
2015/11/16 21:14:34
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
sirlynchmob wrote: [
Let's also remember you are not required to have any piece of ID. They are completely optional.
I suppose if you never want get on a plane, train or bus, rent an apartment, rent an appliance, register for college classes, buy a house, buy any R-movies, M-video games, buy an energy drink, buy Tylenol, pick up your prescriptions, see a doctor, sign your children up for day care, get a job, or go to a bar you're right.
There's plenty you can do without a ID as well. Like get on the internet and post things that don't consider at all any of the demands of real adult life.
2015/11/16 21:24:20
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
welshhoppo wrote: May his noodly appendages cover the world and bring his children to the light.
Don't start dude. We all know youre an atheist.
One day, you'll understand.
Understand what, exactly?
H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
2015/11/16 21:26:59
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
There's plenty you can do without a ID as well. Like get on the internet and post things that don't consider at all any of the demands of real adult life.
The burn. Ouch. Shots fired.
Frazzled wrote: This thread got serious. How does a thread about someone wearing a strainer for a hat get serious?
welshhoppo wrote: May his noodly appendages cover the world and bring his children to the light.
Don't start dude. We all know youre an atheist.
One day, you'll understand.
Understand what, exactly?
The power of the noodles.....
On topic, we have a few people in this country who are Rastas and having photos with pasta drainers on their noggings.
I don't mind really, even a comedic religion is still a religion.
Rastas? you mean the Jamacan hats?
H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
2015/11/16 21:33:52
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
sirlynchmob wrote: [
Let's also remember you are not required to have any piece of ID. They are completely optional.
I suppose if you never want get on a plane, train or bus, rent an apartment, rent an appliance, register for college classes, buy a house, buy any R-movies, M-video games, buy an energy drink, buy Tylenol, pick up your prescriptions, see a doctor, sign your children up for day care, get a job, or go to a bar you're right.
There's plenty you can do without a ID as well. Like get on the internet and post things that don't consider at all any of the demands of real adult life.
I can do all that with my birth certificate and SSN, neither one has a picture on it. In fact it's those two pieces of ID that allowed me to get one with a picture. I joined the navy and they gave me my first photo ID.
Secondly, I know people with drivers licenses that don't have photo's on them and they're legal to drive with. In AZ Bruce Jenner could have gotten his DL at 16 with a photo, and that photo is good til he's 65. Imagine how much he's changed since being 16, and we can see that the picture is really irrelevant.
My doctor and pharmacy care nothing about my photo ID's, they want the health card, and guess what, no picture. I haven't shown an ID to get into a bar in ages, nor need one to bet in the football pool. with the internet it's all the free porn & adult games you care to watch/play. I'm done with school, only idiots rent appliances and I'm already in a place so I never again need to show my picture ID to anyone. Also if you move into a house with someone you again don't need one. I also do all of my banking online so no picture ID needed for that either.
But I suppose if you are really that paranoid about your identity, it's time to implement the mark of the beast. Put a transponder chip connected to your heart, so anytime someone wants to ID you, they just scan your chest, and done. If you don't have the chip, you don't exist. There now we know, you are you.
2015/11/16 21:51:43
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
I have listed myself on the official census and other documents as a Pastafarian.
I am absolutely do not believe that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a real thing.
However...
I do believe that my own belief in the teachings of Pastafarianism constitute a belief in a philosophy. Philosophy qualifies as religion. For example, you can be considered a Hindu if you believe in the teaching of Hinduism, but not in Brahma, Shiva etc being real. Same for Buddhism. It is only Judaism, Christianity and Islam that actually require belief i a supreme being to be considered devotees of the religion.
Further points - I do not feel that Pastafarianism is a joke. It makes jokes, but I feel it's overall point is incredibly serious. It's main point is that we should not take things seriously automatically just for being "religious".
I don't think it mocks anyone for being religious, it mocks people for lacking critical thinking skills, whether they be religious or not.
I feel it is important that people should not be allowed to use religion as a shield to protect themselves from being mocked. There are plenty of things that need to be mocked, and Creationism is one of them.That mockery is not because of believing in God, it is because of a failure to understand evolution.
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
Frazzled wrote: This thread got serious. How does a thread about someone wearing a strainer for a hat get serious?
Religion. DakkaDakka. Mix. Explosion.
Unfortunately beliefs are an opinion that people happen to take far too seriously because they fail to realise they are just that.
Funny that you say that, considering that no human, including you, is without beliefs, and it is impossible to ever get rid of. So explain what is the purpose of this comment? Without further elaboration, it is kinda of a nonsensical, throw-away one-liner.
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2015/11/16 22:08:50
Subject: Re:Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Frazzled wrote: This thread got serious. How does a thread about someone wearing a strainer for a hat get serious?
Religion. DakkaDakka. Mix. Explosion.
Unfortunately beliefs are an opinion that people happen to take far too seriously because they fail to realise they are just that.
Funny that you say that, considering that no human, including you, is without beliefs, and it is impossible to ever get rid of. So explain what is the purpose of this comment? Without further elaboration, it is kinda of a nonsensical, throw-away one-liner.
I find that people, myself included, are sometimes incapable of accommodating differing beliefs/opinions. The difference is that a rational, thinking person should be able to eventually sort themselves out.
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2015/11/16 22:09:02
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Frazzled wrote: This thread got serious. How does a thread about someone wearing a strainer for a hat get serious?
Religion. DakkaDakka. Mix. Explosion.
Unfortunately beliefs are an opinion that people happen to take far too seriously because they fail to realise they are just that.
Funny that you say that, considering that no human, including you, is without beliefs, and it is impossible to ever get rid of. So explain what is the purpose of this comment? Without further elaboration, it is kinda of a nonsensical, throw-away one-liner.
I find that people, myself included, are sometimes incapable of accommodating differing beliefs/opinions. The difference is that a rational, thinking person should be able to eventually sort themselves out.
That goes for me and almost everyone else as well. Unfortenately, Dakka does not seem to be able to sort itself out, seeing the number of threads on religion to get locked.
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2015/11/16 22:10:41
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Iron_Captain wrote: Yes, unfortenately there are some people in the world who are not able to just let other people believe whatever the hell they want.
But then people who think they know more than they actually do would have trouble mocking others...especially online.
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2015/11/16 22:11:48
Subject: Pastafarians Unite! (Pastafarian allows to wear pasta strainer in License Phtoto)
Tactical Spam, you said it was not luck that led you to be born into a region that would mean you were raised in the "correct" religion. You've also said that everything is part of God's plan?
Would you care to explain why he chose for you to be born in a region that you would be raised to believe in him the "right" way, and therefore benefit from his generosity, but he chooses that other people should be born in regions that believe in the wrong religion, and will therefore not benefit from his generosity? I mean, sure, those people could convert to the same religion as you, but it seems like you have been given an unfair advantage by not having to convert to the religion as you already follow it. Why?
Or will you be resorting to "We mortals cannot understand God's will. (But even though I don't understand God's will, I am know I am right about what his will is, and how to worship him. STOP ASKING ME DIFFIFCULT QUESTIONS!!!)"
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
That goes for me and almost everyone else as well. Unfortenately, Dakka does not seem to be able to sort itself out, seeing the number of threads on religion to get locked.
True. Much like anything else though, it appears to be a vocal, intransigent minority who cause such things, and those who just rejoice in causing chaos. I enjoy intelligent discussion, even with people who disagree with me, as long as things stay away from the nearly inevitable online mode of discussion then circular arguments.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
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