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Its all coming down to
Republican Nutjob
Democrat Nutjob
Surprise that the 2nd Amendment hasn't made a appearance in this thread yet....
There's only one thing that riles the American electorate up more than gun control (can you guess what it is )
chocolate cake control. Its such a terrifying topic, no politician dare ever bring it up, for fear of a Robespierre like response.
"where'd they get the guillotine so fast? Run!"
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Seeing how this thread bounce to Life vs non life(?)
Intelligent life
Pro life pro choice
Politics
Figure I throw in another "gotcha" hook with 2nd Amendment and since we're a bunch of Nerds....yes Nerds...even Mods are Nerds to...
"Some day, my people are gonna come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that says what we can and can't do out here, should and shouldn't do. But until someone tells me that they've drafted that...directive, I'm gonna have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."
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skyth wrote: Now Cruz is trying to claim the shooter was a transexual liberal.
Cruz's grasp of reality is so tennuous that he really should be locked up in an institution before he hurts more people.
It helps if you read what he actually said.
NEWTON, Iowa — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz is condemning the fatal shooting of three people at a Planned Parenthood location in Colorado but also aggressively pushing back on suggestions the shooter was part of the anti-abortion movement.
Speaking to reporters after a stop here Sunday afternoon, Cruz rejected a potential connection between anti-abortion activism and the shooting, instead taking issue with "some vicious rhetoric on the left blaming those who are pro-life.” The shooting, which happened Friday in Colorado Springs, left a police officer and two civilians dead, and a suspect, Robert Dear, has been taken into custody.
"The media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement when at this point there’s very little evidence to indicate that," Cruz said.
When a reporter reminded Cruz it has been reported Dear made a comment about "baby parts" while being apprehended, Cruz retorted, "It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. If that’s what he is, I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”
I'm no Cruz fan, but you're "paraphrase" makes you as bad as him.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
skyth wrote: Now Cruz is trying to claim the shooter was a transexual liberal.
Cruz's grasp of reality is so tennuous that he really should be locked up in an institution before he hurts more people.
Just got done seeing a interview he gave about it. I didn't hear that mention...have video? Same interview? Interview with who? Taking out of context? Sarcasm?
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Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
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Seeing how this thread bounce to Life vs non life(?)
Intelligent life
Pro life pro choice
Politics
Figure I throw in another "gotcha" hook with 2nd Amendment and since we're a bunch of Nerds....yes Nerds...even Mods are Nerds to...
"Some day, my people are gonna come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that says what we can and can't do out here, should and shouldn't do. But until someone tells me that they've drafted that...directive, I'm gonna have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."
Seeing how this thread bounce to Life vs non life(?)
Intelligent life
Pro life pro choice
Politics
Figure I throw in another "gotcha" hook with 2nd Amendment and since we're a bunch of Nerds....yes Nerds...even Mods are Nerds to...
"Some day, my people are gonna come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that says what we can and can't do out here, should and shouldn't do. But until someone tells me that they've drafted that...directive, I'm gonna have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."
Jonathan Archer?
You Nerd
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
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Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
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skyth wrote: Now Cruz is trying to claim the shooter was a transexual liberal.
Cruz's grasp of reality is so tennuous that he really should be locked up in an institution before he hurts more people.
It helps if you read what he actually said.
When a reporter reminded Cruz it has been reported Dear made a comment about "baby parts" while being apprehended, Cruz retorted, "It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist.”
Seems it is turning into mental illness and owning firearm issue now.
Colorado gun laws came up
Colorado recall came up (?), Lady was quite motivated (Democrat) to bring that up
Guy has a mental illness record
Guy lived in a trailer in the middle of nowhere it seems.
No mention yet if the weapon was illegally owned...or legal owner...
First guy to die was a Army Vet with one deployment under his belt to Iraq who got back in to warn people of shooter (outside to make a cell call)
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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transsexual liberal, or transgendered leftist. what's the difference? It's not so much a paraphrase as a quote.
No no it was all about context which you seem to have intentionally skipped over.
Having said that, Captain nutso (the shooter. I'd rate Cruz is a lieutenant nutzo at best) appears to have at various times ranted about body parts and identifiying as a woman. I think its clear he's crazy as a gak rat. The PoPo need to carefully investigate to see if there were others supporting him, however, in this. I also want to see the interactions he had with the PoPo and mental health previously and how he got a hold of firearms.
For the record, there are nutcases supportive of this guy. I've seen their rants on another board with more sane people attempting to argue with them. Regardless of your position on PP, we are governed by the rule of law, and anything else is unacceptable be it called terrorism, organized violence, or just simple murder.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
transsexual liberal, or transgendered leftist. what's the difference? It's not so much a paraphrase as a quote.
No no it was all about context which you seem to have intentionally skipped over.
Having said that, Captain nutso (the shooter. I'd rate Cruz is a lieutenant nutzo at best) appears to have at various times ranted about body parts and identifiying as a woman. I think its clear he's crazy as a gak rat. The PoPo need to carefully investigate to see if there were others supporting him, however, in this. I also want to see the interactions he had with the PoPo and mental health previously and how he got a hold of firearms.
For the record, there are nutcases supportive of this guy. I've seen their rants on another board with more sane people attempting to argue with them. Regardless of your position on PP, we are governed by the rule of law, and anything else is unacceptable be it called terrorism, organized violence, or just simple murder.
Where has the shooter stated he identified as a woman? I've only seen LT Nutzo suggest that. I saw a quote Captain Nutso was giving "anti obama" literature. It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal. Yes I agree there are nutcases who support this guy, who in your opinion, are these people supporting him? I've seen A group that has rallied to support him, even in this very thread. *cough* pro lifers *cough*
I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.
pushing back on suggestions the shooter was part of the anti-abortion movement. It wasn't us
rejected a potential connection between anti-abortion activism and the shooting, it wasn't us
The media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement, it wasn't us
"It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. provide a different target with no proof of any kind, I just made up it up, I say it could be them.
can't we just agree it was murder and not look into why it happened, because it wasn't us.
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I've seen their rants on another board with more sane people attempting to argue with them.
Well, obviously, he is just a victim of the all-white patriarchy zombie nazi conspiracy that oppresses his sexuality. He was just checking their privilege, raising awareness to this very big and very serious problem.
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I see where Cruz said it, but no other sources for it.
I cannot find where the link was posted earlier either, so working on the assumption that it was removed by a Moderator I am not going to repost it but the link was to the Colorado voter registration site which showed that the shooter reported his gender as female.
sirlynchmob wrote: Where has the shooter stated he identified as a woman? I've only seen LT Nutzo suggest that. I saw a quote Captain Nutso was giving "anti obama" literature. It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal. Yes I agree there are nutcases who support this guy, who in your opinion, are these people supporting him? I've seen A group that has rallied to support him, even in this very thread. *cough* pro lifers *cough*
1) Ad hominems do not help you make your point
2) What McDonald's is giving out guns with Happy Meals because I would support that venture. Do you know if they have the 4473 forms on hand, or do you pick up the gun from an FFL?
I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.
Why can't you blame the shooter?
Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.
I see where Cruz said it, but no other sources for it.
I cannot find where the link was posted earlier either, so working on the assumption that it was removed by a Moderator I am not going to repost it but the link was to the Colorado voter registration site which showed that the shooter reported his gender as female.
sirlynchmob wrote: Where has the shooter stated he identified as a woman? I've only seen LT Nutzo suggest that. I saw a quote Captain Nutso was giving "anti obama" literature. It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal. Yes I agree there are nutcases who support this guy, who in your opinion, are these people supporting him? I've seen A group that has rallied to support him, even in this very thread. *cough* pro lifers *cough*
1) Ad hominems do not help you make your point
2) What McDonald's is giving out guns with Happy Meals because I would support that venture. Do you know if they have the 4473 forms on hand, or do you pick up the gun from an FFL?
Seriously man, when you've got a guy posting stuff like this, you shouldn't even bother engaging. "It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal" makes it pretty clear he's not here for actual reasoned discussion.
sirlynchmob wrote: Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.
Which terrorist organization is that?
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djones520 wrote: Seriously man, when you've got a guy posting stuff like this, you shouldn't even bother engaging. "It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal" makes it pretty clear he's not here for actual reasoned discussion.
True, but I'm hoping that a little humour would help him understand why his point may not be well received and open the door to actual discussion. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt once.
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djones520 wrote: --
Seriously man, when you've got a guy posting stuff like this, you shouldn't even bother engaging. "It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal" makes it pretty clear he's not here for actual reasoned discussion.
I was just pointing out that it is incredibly easy to get guns in the US. I bet you could get quite the arsenal from craigs list.
I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.
Why can't you blame the shooter?
Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.
Please cite some evidence to support there's a terrorist organization in the US attacking clinics. You can then forward this information to the FBI, which can use RICO, The Civil Rights Act of 1964,and the Patriot Act to pursue them with vigor and vim.
Which terrorist organization is that?
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CptJake wrote: Allegedly grabbed from some voter info site:
Spoiler:
spoilered for size.
thanks for that, I never would have believed it if I didn't see it. But you also said allegedly, why is that? does it look faked or can you really just get all that personal information on anybody?
I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.
Why can't you blame the shooter?
Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.
Please cite some evidence to support there's a terrorist organization in the US attacking clinics. You can then forward this information to the FBI, which can use RICO, The Civil Rights Act of 1964,and the Patriot Act to pursue them with vigor and vim.
the fbi reduced the manning to investigate domestic terrorists to just 1 man.
Every clinic bombed or burned, and every clinician assaulted or killed, had been previously picketed, targeted or assailed by antiabortion groups like Operation Rescue and the Army of God. Operation Rescue issued “Wanted” posters of abortion providers, often listing their home addresses. Several of the doctors listed on the posters, including David Gunn, George Patterson, John Britton and George Tiller, were killed by antiabortion zealots.
But that's just some odd coincidence I'm sure, not at all worth investigating.
sirlynchmob wrote: I was just pointing out that it is incredibly easy to get guns in the US. I bet you could get quite the arsenal from craigs list.
You can also get drugs and prostitutes from Craig's List too, those are also illegal. Guns are highly regulated when going through legal channels, and when a gun is purchased from a dealer a background check must be performed with the FBI. Failure to do so is a Federal offense. Lying on the form is a Federal offense.
You cannot legally own a firearm if;
- you are a disqualified person
- you are indicted for a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- if you have been convicted of a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- you are a fugitive
- you have a history of abusing substances
- you have mental health issues
- you are an illegal alien
- you have been the subject of a restraining/protective order
- you are no competent to handle your own affairs
And that is before we get into state specific laws like waiting periods, illegal features, magazine limits, etc.
sirlynchmob wrote: I was just pointing out that it is incredibly easy to get guns in the US. I bet you could get quite the arsenal from craigs list.
You can also get drugs and prostitutes from Craig's List too, those are also illegal. Guns are highly regulated when going through legal channels, and when a gun is purchased from a dealer a background check must be performed with the FBI. Failure to do so is a Federal offense. Lying on the form is a Federal offense.
You cannot legally own a firearm if;
- you are a disqualified person
- you are indicted for a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- if you have been convicted of a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- you are a fugitive
- you have a history of abusing substances
- you have mental health issues
- you are an illegal alien
- you have been the subject of a restraining/protective order
- you are no competent to handle your own affairs
And that is before we get into state specific laws like waiting periods, illegal features, magazine limits, etc.
from what I've seen of the shooter so far, he might not of triggered any of those flags.
but you can get them at a gunshow and without ID as seen here:
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You can buy firearms from an individual with no paperwork technically required, depending on state laws, though it's still often best to document the transaction. This is true whether it is done at a gun show, garage sale or a guy you know from work. Any face-to-face transaction between two individuals.
Any time an FFL holder is involved, be it at a store, gun show, whatever, there must be paperwork as Dreadclaw outlined. If a FFL conducts sales without paperwork, they are in deep gak.
In some states and jurisdictions even sales between individuals must go through an FFL, and certain types of firearms still have to be registered in some cases. E.g. here in Michigan individuals can buy and sell long guns between themselves freely, but handguns must still be registered at the Sheriff's office.
The "gun show loophole" is utter horse gak, because there's nothing special about a gun show that skirts any laws, all transactions still fall under private or FFL transactions, and these can take place anywhere.
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