Kilkrazy wrote:
The only thing I can imagine more anti-abortion than shooting clinic staff is shooting pregnant women.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.

Why can't you blame the shooter?

Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
I was just pointing out that it is incredibly easy to get guns in the US. I bet you could get quite the arsenal from craigs list.

You can also get drugs and prostitutes from Craig's List too, those are also illegal. Guns are highly regulated when going through legal channels, and when a gun is purchased from a dealer a background check must be performed with the FBI. Failure to do so is a Federal offense. Lying on the form is a Federal offense.

You cannot legally own a firearm if;
- you are a disqualified person
- you are indicted for a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- if you have been convicted of a felony, or any crime where you may serve a sentence of more than a year
- you are a fugitive
- you have a history of abusing substances
- you have mental health issues
- you are an illegal alien
- you have been the subject of a restraining/protective order
- you are no competent to handle your own affairs

And that is before we get into state specific laws like waiting periods, illegal features, magazine limits, etc.

from what I've seen of the shooter so far, he might not of triggered any of those flags.
but you can get them at a gunshow and without ID as seen here:

Every clinic bombed or burned, and every clinician assaulted or killed, had been previously picketed, targeted or assailed by antiabortion groups like Operation Rescue and the Army of God. Operation Rescue issued “Wanted” posters of abortion providers, often listing their home addresses. Several of the doctors listed on the posters, including David Gunn, George Patterson, John Britton and George Tiller, were killed by antiabortion zealots.

 jasper76 wrote:
Apparently, the shooter will be in court today. Maybe we'll get more clarity as regards motive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-dear-trial-planned-parenthood-shooting_565c2070e4b079b2818ac979

 CptJake wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Apparently, the shooter will be in court today. Maybe we'll get more clarity as regards motive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-dear-trial-planned-parenthood-shooting_565c2070e4b079b2818ac979

I doubt it. This is likely a very short 'you are charged with' appearance.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
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Seriously man, when you've got a guy posting stuff like this, you shouldn't even bother engaging. "It's america, he probably got his gun with a happy meal" makes it pretty clear he's not here for actual reasoned discussion.

I was just pointing out that it is incredibly easy to get guns in the US. I bet you could get quite the arsenal from craigs list.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

I didn't skip over it, his whole quote was him trying to shift blame.

Why can't you blame the shooter?

Why can't you admit there's a terrorist organization in the US, who routinely attacks clinics? that this guy is another in their long line of jihadists. If Cruz really believed it was just this one guy, just another american shooter shooting up people, why try so hard to distance the guy from pro life terrorist groups? to protect the terrorist group so they can continue to terrorize would be my conclusion.

Colorado Springs, Colorado (CNN)What moved a man to kill three people and wound nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado has not been disclosed. But the suspect accused of carrying out the shooting spree, Robert Lewis Dear, made remarks about "baby parts" to investigators after his surrender, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Dear, 57, told them he has anti-abortion and anti-government views, but that doesn't mean those opinions were his motive for allegedly shooting up the Colorado Springs clinic on Friday, the official said. It's too early to tell, as investigators are still processing evidence.

Prestor Jon wrote:

So your contention is that there is a nationwide conspiracy to hide a concerted organized effort of a Pro Life Christian terrorist group that is frequently committing arson, murder and acts of terrorism against Planned Parenthood from the public? You accept the local police statement that the gunman said the phrase "no more baby parts" but you don' t believe the local police department when they state that there isn't enough evidence yet to declare a clear motive. Furthermore you believe that the police department, that lost an officer and had multiple other officers wounded by the gunman is so dedicated to preserving the cover up of the existence of anti abortion Christian terrorists that they deliberately lie to protect them even when they kill and maim their officers? That is some serious dedication to the cause on their part.

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So, really, you say that there's a terrorist group in the USA based on...your opinion. I'll try to get the president on the line right now.

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So there's no group then. Please identify the movement. Saying "Christians" is not going to cut it. You're just playing politics because there are people who don't agree with you.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So, really, you say that there's a terrorist group in the USA based on...your opinion. I'll try to get the president on the line right now.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So there's no group then. Please identify the movement. Saying "Christians" is not going to cut it. You're just playing politics because there are people who don't agree with you.

so we're just going to ignore the "army of god" then? That group I keep bringing up, the group responsible for all the attacks on clinics. Just assume the shooter was a lone wolf, and let this terrorist group attack again without ever bother to ask if there's a connection.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_army_of_god
"An anonymous member (or members) of the Army of God (see 1982, August 1982, and July 1988) produces the “Army of God Manual,” a privately printed, closely guarded “how-to” manual for activists, showing how to harass, attack, and even kill abortion providers. "

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/army-god-aog-united-states
The Army of God is an underground network of domestic terrorists who believe that the use of violence is appropriate and acceptable as a means to end abortion. Army of God members have been involved in highly publicized incidents of terrorism including the Atlanta Olympic bombing, and the bombings of an abortion clinic and a gay bar in Atlanta. VideoVideo: HBO Documentary

 whembly wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

So your contention is that there is a nationwide conspiracy to hide a concerted organized effort of a Pro Life Christian terrorist group that is frequently committing arson, murder and acts of terrorism against Planned Parenthood from the public? You accept the local police statement that the gunman said the phrase "no more baby parts" but you don' t believe the local police department when they state that there isn't enough evidence yet to declare a clear motive. Furthermore you believe that the police department, that lost an officer and had multiple other officers wounded by the gunman is so dedicated to preserving the cover up of the existence of anti abortion Christian terrorists that they deliberately lie to protect them even when they kill and maim their officers? That is some serious dedication to the cause on their part.

No. My contention is what terrorist group is he part of?

What is their name?

EDIT: not picking on you, just clarifying.

 skyth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So, really, you say that there's a terrorist group in the USA based on...your opinion. I'll try to get the president on the line right now.

Funny how I said it wasn't an organized group. Just there are Conservative Christians who engage in terrorist behavior.

 skyth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So, really, you say that there's a terrorist group in the USA based on...your opinion. I'll try to get the president on the line right now.

Funny how I said it wasn't an organized group. Just there are Conservative Christians who engage in terrorist behavior.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So there's no group then. Please identify the movement. Saying "Christians" is not going to cut it. You're just playing politics because there are people who don't agree with you.

so we're just going to ignore the "army of god" then? That group I keep bringing up, the group responsible for all the attacks on clinics. Just assume the shooter was a lone wolf, and let this terrorist group attack again without ever bother to ask if there's a connection.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_army_of_god
"An anonymous member (or members) of the Army of God (see 1982, August 1982, and July 1988) produces the “Army of God Manual,” a privately printed, closely guarded “how-to” manual for activists, showing how to harass, attack, and even kill abortion providers. "

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/army-god-aog-united-states
The Army of God is an underground network of domestic terrorists who believe that the use of violence is appropriate and acceptable as a means to end abortion. Army of God members have been involved in highly publicized incidents of terrorism including the Atlanta Olympic bombing, and the bombings of an abortion clinic and a gay bar in Atlanta. VideoVideo: HBO Documentary

Prestor Jon wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

So your contention is that there is a nationwide conspiracy to hide a concerted organized effort of a Pro Life Christian terrorist group that is frequently committing arson, murder and acts of terrorism against Planned Parenthood from the public? You accept the local police statement that the gunman said the phrase "no more baby parts" but you don' t believe the local police department when they state that there isn't enough evidence yet to declare a clear motive. Furthermore you believe that the police department, that lost an officer and had multiple other officers wounded by the gunman is so dedicated to preserving the cover up of the existence of anti abortion Christian terrorists that they deliberately lie to protect them even when they kill and maim their officers? That is some serious dedication to the cause on their part.

No. My contention is what terrorist group is he part of?

What is their name?

EDIT: not picking on you, just clarifying.

None of my post was directed at you. I do appreciate the response to clarify. I don't anticipate much response from the poster it was directed at but lynch mobs aren't known for their desire for rational discourse.

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 skyth wrote:
I'm not sure it's a 'group' but there is a terrorist movement involving conservative Christians. It's not organized or named but that doesn't make it not terrorism.

Just compare what happens with someone who is Muslim and does the same thing (relatively speaking) to a Christian. There is a worse outcry and blaming the entire religion for it when a Muslim commits an act of terror (Even if it isn't linked to a specific terrorist group).

Really, the thing that is the most common occurance in a terrorist attack is that the person doing it was a conservative.

So, really, you say that there's a terrorist group in the USA based on...your opinion. I'll try to get the president on the line right now.

Funny how I said it wasn't an organized group. Just there are Conservative Christians who engage in terrorist behavior.

You mean like liberal atheists?

 Frazzled wrote:
it says I have to have a subscription. Do you have anything from the FBI on them?

Assuming this is a real organization, any evidence he is linked to them?

Prestor Jon wrote:


Nobody in this thread has denied the existence of the Army of God group, that's a straw man of your own fabrication.

You have also failed to put forward any evidence whatsoever that this particular crime is linked to Army of God in any way. You have only put forth your subjective opinion that any and all crimes against PP clinics must be attributable to Army of God or an associated group.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:


Nobody in this thread has denied the existence of the Army of God group, that's a straw man of your own fabrication.

You have also failed to put forward any evidence whatsoever that this particular crime is linked to Army of God in any way. You have only put forth your subjective opinion that any and all crimes against PP clinics must be attributable to Army of God or an associated group.

because every one to date has been. but feel free to ignore that and keep pretending he's a "lone wolf" who out of the blue left his cabin and decided to attack a PP clinic just for the giggles that day.

 Frazzled wrote:
I need something verifiable from the Department of Justice or FBI.

Also, any links to the present shooter or is this all just a wild goose chase?