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Sad Panda wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?

This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.

People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.

The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.

The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.

Interesting stuff
Got the feeling that the AOS game will introduce the elves (or shouldn't I say aelves).

 streetsamurai wrote:
Got the feeling that the AOS game will introduce the elves (or shouldn't I say aelves).

Based on what?

Sad Panda wrote:
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.

And the Thousand Sons were finished when? Around the same time the Space Marines codex came out?

And just as an aside, can we expect any blood drop laden models/books in the not-so-distant future?

Sad Panda dropping the bombs once again. The second horus game is an oldish rumour, possibly from Sad Panda. I hope it is compatible with BAC. The AOS game sounds exciting I hope they are brave enough to step away from the stormcast. imagine a game telling the Slaanesh Aelves story. I am worried, though, thay they will follow the 40k example of having marines in everything.

Chikout wrote:
Sad Panda dropping the bombs once again. The second hours game is an oldish rumour, possibly from Sad Panda. I hope it is compatible with BAC. The AOS game sounds exciting I hope they are brave enough to step away from the stormcast. imagine a game telling the Slaanesh Aelves story. I am worried, though, thay they will follow the 40k example of having marines in everything.

Since Stormcast sales have most likely been quite underwhelming, I can certainly see them starting to steer towards the most popular reces. Of course the board game is already done and dusted so that will probably have Stormcast in it, but around 2017 we might see more products that have started development after AoS was launched.

Oooh, an AoS game. Nurgle vs anyone would be best, but the starter/monopose plastics from GW in SH, DV and AoS have been so impressive (and cheap-ish e I'm tempted to buy all of thise games they put out, even if BB will be the only one that gets gaming time. Seriously, how can they be so much better than the multikits. Dem Chosen CSM.

For Deathwatch I'd prefer predesigned characters over player's choice, if they adorn them with tasteful (yeah, that'll be hard for the current team ) chapter iconography and give them exciting poses. And some love to a few lesser known or yet unexisting chapters with the same amount of details and bling as the big chapter boys. Artemis has to be there as well.


For the hybrids/cultists, eh, if they're robed and convertable into proper Imperium civilians and cultists (read: Word Bearers sponsored) I'd be sooo happy.

Sad Panda wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?

This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.

People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.

The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.

The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.

Hot diggity!

If the AoS game in any way resembles Warhammer quest - I'll be on it like sonic!

Looks like I am starting a board game collection this year lol

Who knew!?

 Bottle wrote:


If the AoS game in any way resembles Warhammer quest - I'll be on it like sonic!

If only. That would be the one. Though I expect SGS will step in and do that at some point (probably 2018 from the schedule).

Fantastic news, thanks Sad Panda

Do you know any specifics about the next, Age of Sigmar game?

The format seems to favour a dungeon crawler-style of game. Will it be like HeroQuest / WHQ? Or something different?

Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!

 Paradigm wrote:
Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!

I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?

With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!

I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?

With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.

To be fair, with their weekly release rate, they can release 3-4 box/board games a year easily and still do a codex every month. The accelerated codex releases and lack of need to do them for AoS means they can slow down and do more intermittent releases and campaign books and stuff, and still sucker people into buying a 'new' codex that is 90% the same with a couple of additions or changes (which is what they've been doing for years, but at least they're being up front about it now! )

 wuestenfux wrote:

With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.

I disagree they've destroyed the market. You've got limited weapons for the Tacticals/Devs/Termies and lack of general options that the box sets come with. Additionally when you start bitting out those additional items you'll see the cost climb to the same or more than just buying the boxset would have been. Not to mention the difference in style with the weaponry in general.

Also with the HH board game they've taken strain off of FW and increased the likelihood of people getting into HH as the box set + legion specific upgrades is massively cheaper than it used to be. This move probably dragged a lot of new people in. And it was time when they had released most legions upgrade kits already so a lot of the people likely to build an HH army had already purchased the FW marines before this.

I'm pumped for the Deathwatch game but I'm trying not to get to excited as I don't want to be disappointed like with Execution Force (though it was a fun game and the models were neat it was just meh to me). A second HH game will be awesome and I'm interested in seeing what they do with the AoS board game.

I really dunno. I mean how many of us were buying tactical squads before BaC new from GW? How many people bought BaC?

I think it makes sense as noobs will always buy new as they don't know better and vets probably don't buy from GW so I suppose the net loss was pretty small.

Also I don't like the termis, and plenty don't want contemptors, or want newer style marines/termis/actual devastator weapons that are useful eg grav.

Definitely don't thin they 'destroyed' their market. Just gave people who think MkIV is good something to buy.

 Paradigm wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!

I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?

With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.

To be fair, with their weekly release rate, they can release 3-4 box/board games a year easily and still do a codex every month. The accelerated codex releases and lack of need to do them for AoS means they can slow down and do more intermittent releases and campaign books and stuff, and still sucker people into buying a 'new' codex that is 90% the same with a couple of additions or changes (which is what they've been doing for years, but at least they're being up front about it now! )

Agreed.
To be fair, their weekly release rate is astonishing. They bring out things we never asked for. GW is on the way to diversify their product line ranging from painting and collecting, to gaming (rule sets seen as a service to the customer), to apps and books, up to merchandising.

 IGtR= wrote:
I really dunno. I mean how many of us were buying tactical squads before BaC new from GW? How many people bought BaC?

I think it makes sense as noobs will always buy new as they don't know better and vets probably don't buy from GW so I suppose the net loss was pretty small.

Also I don't like the termis, and plenty don't want contemptors, or want newer style marines/termis/actual devastator weapons that are useful eg grav.

Definitely don't thin they 'destroyed' their market. Just gave people who think MkIV is good something to buy.

That, and a shedload more variety for CSM/SM modelling. With the 30k era weapons on offer now, your 40K marines can look pretty unique.

Seeing as how the GW shops themselves represent a fairly small market in the Global footprint of game shops, as compared to the greater number of FLGS that carry GW product. ( I have no quantifiable idea what % of sales go directly through the GW web stores vs online discount resellers ) If someone is buying anything GW from pretty much any source, then GW already got the money they wanted for it. ( aside from resale of used product that is ) The discounts an such come out of who ever bought it from GW's end. GW already got its money. The GW shops and Webstores that make sales simply improve that bottom line in theory, but after operating costs and the like I'm sure that money isn't staggering but more then likely helpful to the over all bottom line. So the "impact" on sales of core boxes of Tac,Dev,Terminators etc and such is probably fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things. I would think anyway.

So the "impact" on sales of core boxes of Tac,Dev,Terminators etc and such is probably fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things.

You could be right. The diversification of the product line may reduce the impact of decreased sales of specific products.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hybrids are in the board game next week

I love you dude.

Man, I can hardly believe it's actually happening.

Of course, there's been no confirmation of GCult *rules* for 40K. But if minis are coming, then the rules eventually will too.

 wuestenfux wrote:

So the "impact" on sales of core boxes of Tac,Dev,Terminators etc and such is probably fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things.

You could be right. The diversification of the product line may reduce the impact of decreased sales of specific products.

I agree completely. Plus the board games are opening up new markets for the FW HH stuff. How many people out there were deterred from buying FW stuff bc you have to buy the squad and then the upgrade kits that got quite pricey. Now you can buy one board game and the upgrade kits to have a full HH army. It makes sense to make less on the board game if you think you can make it up on the back end with upgrade parts, shoulder pads and specialty units. Less so with AoS ,but it could lead to additional units being purchased to expand the army. This hobby can be addictive. One board game, model or faction can be a gateway drug into the GW IP.

So this will be the second year on a row with three big boxes. We already have blood bowl confirmed for 2017. I wonder if this is a pattern GW will continue. I hope this years games are good enough and sell well enough to encourage GW to try more of this kind of thing and maybe even sell expansions like they did for space hulk back in the day.

Chikout wrote:
So this will be the second year on a row with three big boxes. We already have blood bowl confirmed for 2017. I wonder if this is a pattern GW will continue. I hope this years games are good enough and sell well enough to encourage GW to try more of this kind of thing and maybe even sell expansions like they did for space hulk back in the day.

be nice i think i liked Deathwing best. why didnt i keep things nice

The Genestealer expansion was my true introduction to GW. We had Genestealer before we even had Space Hulk, and by golly, we loved it!

We tried to reverse engineer the rules for Space Hulk based on what was in the rulebook, and just tried to fill in the gaps with logical reasoning.

I will certainly be checking this new upcoming game out.

And I really hope this new Sigmar game is a reskinned/ modernized Quest. What better way to get us to all buy Sigmar models that we wouldn't necessarily be interested in otherwise than to fill up our dungeon rosters?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
And I really hope this new Sigmar game is a reskinned/ modernized Quest. What better way to get us to all buy Sigmar models that we wouldn't necessarily be interested in otherwise than to fill up our dungeon rosters?

Couldn't agree more, a AoS WHQ feels like a no brainer- it would be one of the few board games where the ENTIRE AoS range could be added in to expand the core contents (Order as Heroes and Destruction/Death/Chaos as the bad guys). It would also appeal to lots of RPG or traditional fantasy players.

If it had a good enough campaign system too, it might actually be better than AoS in every regard haha

I am with Paradigm on this one, I just cannot resist the big boxed games/starter set. There is just something so satisfying about getting a load of minis, cards, dice etc in one set. Thanks to Sad Panda for the information.

We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?

I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.

Super excited for this now that there's word of new, unique models as I was afraid most of the box will be existing multi-parts like in Assassinorum, with a few upgrade frames or something similar. Hopefully the generic genestealers will also be new models, along the lines of the ones in Space Hulk. I don't mind mono-pose as the ones in Space Hulk and most of the new HQ models are stellar.

 Lockark wrote:
We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?

I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.

MkIII armour is probably a given, I'd think, if they are Assaults or Breachers then even better, but given the amount you can do with GW sprues these days, even if they're just Tacs it'll be awesome. Tartaros Termies I'm not a massive fan of, but I wouldn't say no to. Maybe Rapiers in place of a Dread, they're very popular and probably quite easy to do in plastic.

I don't know about Deathwatch. They carry usually special weapons and may be taken as Sternguard or Devastators.
But as a board game, there are no rules for Deathwatch in 40k, or am I wrong here?