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I kind of dislike the box cover art - IMO it's the weakest cover art they had for ages. That said - I love everything else and am actually considering buying the full set. As for the question "Why boardgame?" - I for one am really happy with that. I rarely have the opportunity (and inclination) to play a full 40k game with its ever escalating army sizes. My friends have moved on to other games (as did I), but I still really like the universe and want to play in it. The boardgames work out pretty well if you play them only once in a while in a casual setting. Replayability is not that big (they really dropped the ball when they designed EF's boards, and they could do more things like the daemon rules they recently published in WD), but as my groups play rather broad ranges of games those turn up every few months at best anyway.
I actually got the boardgaming components of Execution Force and Calth for about 10 Euros each, and for that they're nice casual board games.
With EF I had all the models anyway (for the assassins I have the old metal minis), so that was a simple decision. With Calth I ALMOST went for the full game, but wasn't really keen on painting MORE Space Marines however cool the new models looked. I've got enough SMs and CSMs to play any Calth scenario, so that's fine. I might even go for another set of Calth components and try devising some scenarios.
So, to put it short, there are actually people in the world that get these things as boardgames and play them. Happily, even.
the_Armyman wrote: So, now the price for people playing 40K is $173. Interesting.
That's two "forces" though if you're referring to Overkill and two White Dwarfs, which halved comes to ~$86/person.
Also to support your earlier position about Overkill being overpriced for the game content, you can compare it to the "Tyranid Swarm" box. 95 models for $170 works out to ~$1.80/model.
Of course, as a counter I could point out that the Carnifex, Hormagaunts, and Termagants are 3rd(or 4th?) edition sculpts that have most likely had their molds paid for long ago, and are a bit dated compared to the newest releases.
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M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.
While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.
I meant for the genestealer cult as well, the death watch was just an example of how I would like it to be implemented. As for unbound, I doubt my playgroup would let me play with things like a smoke launcher jump pack or a frag cannon devastator... And yeah I could count them as other wargear but I would much rather like official rules, so no I can't play them unbound.
Too bad you can use the old "official unofficial Genestealer Codex" from third edition I believe.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.
While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.
I meant for the genestealer cult as well, the death watch was just an example of how I would like it to be implemented. As for unbound, I doubt my playgroup would let me play with things like a smoke launcher jump pack or a frag cannon devastator... And yeah I could count them as other wargear but I would much rather like official rules, so no I can't play them unbound.
Too bad you can use the old "official unofficial Genestealer Codex" from third edition I believe.
Yeah or, as has now been said, I can use the rules the white dwarf will supply.. Also using super old codices doesn't always translate so well into the new rules... Definately not ideal.
WD contains 40k rules for all members of the #deathwatch kill team! Plus all board game rules. Next week: 40k rules for the cult!
50 models, 48page rulebook, 8 board sections, cards and dice: £100/€140
Link?
Nostromodamus wrote: Would have been nice to include them in the board game too.
"Now try your models in this game! Here's the rules!"
Could have been a great gateway to 40k.
Also for anyone buying it in the far future, it would save them having to track down back issues of WD.
I think that it is safe to say that GSC will be in the Tyranid update when it hits, whether a full dex or a Space Wolves type update.
As for Deathwatch I would think that if they do get an individual release as has been rumored that there will be a mini slate/ dex / campaign for them when that time comes.
Gsc won't be in the Tyranid dex . Their own mini dex yes like Harlies but in the big one nope sorry.
Davor wrote: Too bad you can use the old "official unofficial Genestealer Codex" from third edition I believe.
Sure. You just can't use the aberrants, the familiars, the mining laser models and the needle pistol of the Primus. You'll have to house-rule the psychic mastery of Patriarch and Magus and also have no other option as to play unbound without brood brothers or an allies matrix.
Well, don't get me wrong, I played many games using rules from various codices to represent my Adeptus Mechanicus and Genestealer Cult, but I think there's no need to get that snippy.
Talys wrote: I really like the new genestealer models. I'm also quite curious if (purestrain) genestealers will get better. That would be cool, as I have like, a half dozen plus copies of Space Hulk... meaning... a truckload of genestealers if I painted them all
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
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That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.
Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?
Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"
My point of view for GW is the same as for every other miniature manufacturing company. When they make models that I think are amazing, I buy them, and when they make models that I don't like, or don't fit the projects I'm working on, I pass.
I don't think any company deserves scorn and derision. Besides, if I hopped around deriding every new release for every company that makes models that I think are hilariously bad, I wouldn't be able to do anything else in my life
Incidentally, I said I was going to pass on the Wulfen, because I didn't think they were all that spectacular. When I actually saw the sprues, I liked them more than I thought I would and I actually bought a box. They are actually really nice bits, IMO. The Fyreslayers I love. If I had any desire or possibility of painting dwarves in the next 10 years, I would have bought them, but sadly, that's not going to happen.
Seems like a boatload of "subjective" observations.
Holy fething bent over backward Horus on a loyalist train stuck up a Keeper of Secrets loincloth A NEW CASSIUS MODEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE spank!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheCrusadeSmurf wrote: Holy fething bent over backward Horus on a loyalist train stuck up a Keeper of Secrets loincloth A NEW CASSIUS MODEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE spank!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheCrusadeSmurf wrote: Holy fething bent over backward Horus on a loyalist train stuck up a Keeper of Secrets loincloth A NEW CASSIUS MODEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE spank!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I have no need for another foot chaplain, I deeply covet that guy. Probably wouldn’t be hard to swap that bolt pistol out for a combi flamer. Or we might go back to his 3rd edition rules, when he didn’t have Infernus.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Waitasecond... there are Genestealer Familiars here. Genestealer Familiars! Talk about reaching back into the history of 40k.
I just happen to have 12 of the original little buggers. They're so cute (and terrifying!).
I have an old magus and a couple of familiars lying buried somewhere. Looks like the magus might be getting some friends, m-maybe even a replacement...
Mr_Rose wrote:
Aberrants are definitely new but really their existence is kind of logical; for all that the Hive Mind is awesome at genetic engineering, 'stealers only have their own pocket hives to do the heavy lifting so occasional incompatibility between the brood-seed and the host should be inevitable. Really it's a miracle the whole thing works at all, even with Hollywood genetics, so occasional bugs are totally in line.
Yup! With the sheer genetic juicepro-ing going on, it'd be weird if there weren't abberations.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's why it always annoys me when a certain few at this place accuse me (and others) of always being down on GW.
I know just what you mean. On that note...
the_Armyman wrote:The minis are beautiful, but I don't understand this as a concept for a boardgame. 50 premium "game pieces" makes the board look ridiculously cluttered. It's like they jammed a 4x4 with two 2000 point armies and said "Look how awesome this is!" nevermind the fact that you can't actually move or play a tactical game in such a cramped space... But I'll let everyone get back to their "new GW Golden Age" and "Kirby's well and truly dead" hyperbole.
... even I think you're being too negative.
MajorTom11 wrote:
My one big disappointment though, is the Patriarch. The model unto itself is great, don't get me wrong, but I am disappointed for 2 reasons. First, seriously GW, this is the third go-round in 7 years for a broodlord in plastic, can you honestly, seriously not find another pose than 'perch on outcrop'?... 2nd, they used the broodlord design... I was hoping something that was slightly different beyond spikes and subtleties. I am old school so a fatty would have sat better with me. Again, the model itself is great, in context is where it flops a bit for me.
Aye. TBH I think I like this patriarch better than 'Mr. Creosote with more spikes', but still, I'm gonna have fun chopping it up into something even more to my liking.
If I can get £100 from somewhere. (Or hopefully just £75-80) You don't really need a liver, do you?
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TheCrusadeSmurf wrote: Holy fething bent over backward Horus on a loyalist train stuck up a Keeper of Secrets loincloth A NEW CASSIUS MODEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE spank!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a boxed game during the Heresy. There are Space Marines. Similarities end there.
Interesting. Another person hinted Mk 3 armour in the near future. That rumor is now being discussed as a possible future SM Codex. I guess it's wrong.
TheCrusadeSmurf wrote: Holy fething bent over backward Horus on a loyalist train stuck up a Keeper of Secrets loincloth A NEW CASSIUS MODEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE spank!!!!!!!!!!!!
While I have no need for another foot chaplain, I deeply covet that guy. Probably wouldn’t be hard to swap that bolt pistol out for a combi flamer. Or we might go back to his 3rd edition rules, when he didn’t have Infernus.
Does this not come with Sternguard? CombiFlamer is possible but it means I need to drop a combigrav somewhere, or maybe make a different squad of ALL STALKER BOLTERS
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While I maintain my gripe that I would have liked WAY less FF Chapters (I would have at least traded out the UM, the SW, the DA, and the BA [even though he is incredible]), this is an incredible release. The GS cult figures are that perfect blend of retro nostalgia and modern plastic detail and improvements. I'm interested more in the Marines, but even I admit that the GS figures are more impressive. And the DW Marines are impressive on their own.
I did enjoy the enthusiasm rollercoaster.
I'm interested...conceptually.
[Blurry picture of six marines]Looks okay.
[Price tag=100 pounds]Crazy. I'm out.
[Clear scans of all figures]I'm buying 5.
I don't say that with any judgement. That is an expensive price. Getting a look at the models makes it look worthwhile.
Anyways, spectacular looking product. I second (or third, or tenth) the idea that a Sanctuary 101 box would be a great idea.
Talys wrote: I really like the new genestealer models. I'm also quite curious if (purestrain) genestealers will get better. That would be cool, as I have like, a half dozen plus copies of Space Hulk... meaning... a truckload of genestealers if I painted them all
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
.
That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.
Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?
Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"
My point of view for GW is the same as for every other miniature manufacturing company. When they make models that I think are amazing, I buy them, and when they make models that I don't like, or don't fit the projects I'm working on, I pass.
I don't think any company deserves scorn and derision. Besides, if I hopped around deriding every new release for every company that makes models that I think are hilariously bad, I wouldn't be able to do anything else in my life
Incidentally, I said I was going to pass on the Wulfen, because I didn't think they were all that spectacular. When I actually saw the sprues, I liked them more than I thought I would and I actually bought a box. They are actually really nice bits, IMO. The Fyreslayers I love. If I had any desire or possibility of painting dwarves in the next 10 years, I would have bought them, but sadly, that's not going to happen.
Seems like a boatload of "subjective" observations.
Hey, I never said that I don't have subjective observations. I just said that I treat GW the same as any other company: I buy their stuff if I like it and can use it, and pass if I don't. In fact, my buying decisions couldn't be more subjective; I never, ever go, "technically amazing, buy now!" no matter what company it is. It's always, "I love it, buy now!" -- not that I don't appreciate technical excellence, or how that contributes towards things I like.
On the other hand, I'm not a fan of deriding any company's artwork. Of course, I'm not impeaching anyone else's right to express their derision
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godardc wrote: I don't think this picture have been posted yet:
Rough translation: "detachable section of rules to play Deathwatch in Warhammer 40,000"
That's awesome! Thanks!
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Davor wrote: Too bad you can use the old "official unofficial Genestealer Codex" from third edition I believe.
Sure. You just can't use the aberrants, the familiars, the mining laser models and the needle pistol of the Primus. You'll have to house-rule the psychic mastery of Patriarch and Magus and also have no other option as to play unbound without brood brothers or an allies matrix.
Well, don't get me wrong, I played many games using rules from various codices to represent my Adeptus Mechanicus and Genestealer Cult, but I think there's no need to get that snippy.
How am I being snippy? He wanted something official, so I mentioned something that was official.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
I will post this in here but it is maybe new thread worthy. Over on bolter and chainsword Lady Atia said that both factions will get proper rules later this year, presumably a harlequin style codex each. The more interesting nugget is that these are not the only new old factions coming this year. She later mentioned that it is not squats and that we may get exodites in 2 years (the faction I have been waiting for) So that means Sisters?
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