Deathwatch Overkill (Deathwatch vs Genestealer cult board game) - 40k rules, free download pg1

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**skarsol**

Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

**gorgon**

The original Patriarch is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

**Warhams-77**

If GCs still operate in Clans I will make a cult for my old model and one for the new one. Two detachments. Also very curious about what will be the answer to the Patriarch = Broodlord? question. Currently I consider the latter creatures to be the Patriarch's lieutenants.

**Tyran**

Warhams-77 wrote:
If GCs still operate in Clans I will make a cult for my old model and one for the new one. Two detachments. Also very curious about what will be the answer to the Patriarch = Broodlord question. Currently I consider the latter creatures to be the Patriarch's lieutenants.

They are practically the same creatures. The Spawn of Cryptus is a called a Broodlord, even though it is the Patriarch of its brood.

"Patriarch" and "Broodlord" are human (and semi human) terms given to creatures that don't really care about that.

**Warhams-77**

Thanks, I missed that.

**BobtheInquisitor**

gorgon wrote:
The original Patriarch is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

Looks a bit like Warwick Davis in makeup.

**Imateria**

So thats 85pts for 12 guys with 4 attacks each on the charge, assault grenades, Fearless and Rending Claws. And if your lucky the Patriarch can cast Invisibility on them.

Holy Feth!

**streamdragon**

Hanskrampf wrote:You're welcome.

Much obliged!

**migooo**

skarsol wrote:
Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

I think you'll pay that in postage differences though

**Breotan**

skarsol wrote:
Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

Yea, no. Shipping costs are a nasty beast, skarsol. You ain't getting free shipping across the Atlantic these days.

**Sir Samuel Buca**

Those Patriarch rules are wonderful. Same stat line as the Spawn of Cryptus, but with an extra psychic mastery level, better powers, Fear, Fearless, IC and a familiar (whatever that does). Now I can hopefully use my Spawn as a decent character in his own right, rather than a Broodlord +1.
I'm hoping, as others have said, that this covers the difference between Broodlords and Patriarchs, because the Spawn's fluff has always screamed Patriarch at me.

**migooo**

Breotan wrote:
skarsol wrote:
Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

Yea, no. Shipping costs are a nasty beast, skarsol. You ain't getting free shipping across the Atlantic these days.

There is ebay shipping program but I'm not sure if the person in the foreign country buying pays different postage than the seller selects .

If your not interested in the box and just the contents that wouldn't be bad to send (about 7 pounds) and I can help with that if you would like

**Frozen Ocean**

Tyran wrote:
"Patriarch" and "Broodlord" are human (and semi human) terms given to creatures that don't really care about that.

Excellent way of putting it. I imagine the difference (from an Imperial perspective) would be that a Patriarch has a Cult, while "Broodlords" are a sort of "Genestealer Prime", the kind seen with roaming packs of Stealers. In essence the two creatures are all but identical, but for Imperial definitions, you might encounter a "Broodlord" on a Space Hulk and a "Patriarch" in an underhive or temple or some such, protected by its hybrids.

**skarsol**

Ah, looks like they've already thought of that. Wayland wont ship 40k stuff to the US. Annoying.

**migooo**

skarsol wrote:
Ah, looks like they've already thought of that. Wayland wont ship 40k stuff to the US. Annoying.

It's been that way for a while now. People from Australia used to order stuff from them. Now it's more box splitters on EBay that they go to

**=Angel=**

skarsol wrote:
Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

Freedom isn't free.

**Dealer**

Sorry haven't found this info in the thread. @ the game do we know if its cooperative vs the cult (like execution force) or its 1 (deathwatch) vs 1 (cult)?

**Bottle**

=Angel= wrote:
A White-Scars thunderhawk touches down at a super secret Deathwatch base. Two watch commanders wait patiently on the pad.

The ramp lowers and a marine roars out on a bike.

'Well met Battle Brother. Please leave your combat bike in the thunderhawk for your chapter to return to its armoury. You won't be needing it.'

The whitescar's expression hardens.

'Brother, we don't field bikes here in the deathwatch. We board spacehulks and infiltrate xeno filled labyrinths. You need to be on foot to stay with your comrades'

A cold wind whistles across the pad, stirring the white armoured astartes' topknot. His expression remains obstinate and unyielding.

'I'm sorry brother, but those are the rules. The deathwatch is a strict military brotherhood. we don't allow everyone to just do as they please.'

A dark angel flies through the door of the facility, landing roughly at the feet of the watch commanders. A drunk space wolf staggers onto the pad, swigging mead.

'Cahmon denya sisseh' roars the wolf , his native fenrisian words lost on all present. 'Ahnoo twas ye that dranned mah favrit serfav his blude!'

As the dark angel picked himself up and tried to get his hood out of his eyes, fair haired marine peeks around the door, wiping red fluid from his mouth.

Whilst the dark angel adjusts the rope belt, the space wolf flings his tankard at the son of caliban, spilling beer all over his robes. The Dark angel responds by uppercutting the wolf, the two of them falling to the floor in a mad brawl.

'As my colleague was saying' continued a Watch Commander ' You'll need to surrender your bike. Otherwise you will be returned to your chapter'

The marine seemed to consider this for a moment, then idled his bike forward, closer to the Commander. He leaned in to speak, so close that his moustache tickled the ear of the Officer. He spoke quietly, his voice barely a whisper.

'Have to catch me first.'

The bike exploded into life as the whitescar gunned the throttle, raising up on the rear wheel and shooting straight through the facility door.

Haha, I love it!

**M0ff3l**

Dealer wrote:
Sorry haven't found this info in the thread. @ the game do we know if its cooperative vs the cult (like execution force) or its 1 (deathwatch) vs 1 (cult)?

It looks to be cooperative, on the picture we see 9 of the deathwatch characters on one side of the board, 3 of them on another side and then the cult on another side. I don't have any more proof of it though, so don't take this as fact.

**Bottle**

I hope it's anti-operative rather than cooperative. It would be fun to take command of the Cult more than the marines.

**gorgon**

Imateria wrote:
So thats 85pts for 12 guys with 4 attacks each on the charge, assault grenades, Fearless and Rending Claws. And if your lucky the Patriarch can cast Invisibility on them.

Holy Feth!

You WOULD THINK it suggests that Purestrains will be adjusted, either to become significantly cheaper or more formidable. At only 2 attacks per, their rending output drops precipitously as they take casualties.

**kb_lock**

Ahahahahaha $25

You guys

**Bottle**

Just to confirm, it's anti-operative (is that a word?)

Sorry, I am on an iPad and can't copy the pictures across but if you read the gameplay breakdown from the scanned white dwarf on here:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup

You can see it talks about the Genestealer Cult player.

**Warhams-77**

Ninjaed

2-player game

Also it mentions on the last page of the playthrough article that when you try the game in a store bla choose bla which side...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1380/671862.page#8475399

**Zognob Gorgoff**

epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol
Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.

**MajorWesJanson**

skarsol wrote:
Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.

Well, the pound has dropped hard thanks to the Brexit rumors/mess.

Good news for FW orders though. Just waiting on Warlord parts for a second order.

I like the Deathwatch models, but their rules are not unique enough to really justify them as is. I'm glad they are balanced to match the codex costs for things, without a ton of special buffs (grr Wolves) but the unit composition is sub-optimal. The genestealer cult is actually more useful rules/model wise for various cultist and mutant forces. The rules slot in quite well from Genestealere cult to say Chaos Mutants and Cultists.

**migooo**

Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol
Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.

Oh yeah definatley

. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?

**Dealer**

Bottle wrote:
Just to confirm, it's anti-operative (is that a word?)

Sorry, I am on an iPad and can't copy the pictures across but if you read the gameplay breakdown from the scanned white dwarf on here:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup

You can see it talks about the Genestealer Cult player.

That's great. To me its more interesting that way. You can probably have a couple of friends play each side together. And yeh I look foward to playing my own Deathwatch force AND the Cult.

**Azazelx**

the_Armyman wrote:
Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!

You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.

**Bottle**

Dealer wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Just to confirm, it's anti-operative (is that a word?)

Sorry, I am on an iPad and can't copy the pictures across but if you read the gameplay breakdown from the scanned white dwarf on here:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup

You can see it talks about the Genestealer Cult player.

That's great. To me its more interesting that way. You can probably have a couple of friends play each side together. And yeh I look foward to playing my own Deathwatch force AND the Cult.

Yeah I agree, it's much more fun to play against someone and try to win in my opinion :-) and like Space Hulk you could swap sides at the end of each mission and replay it again.

Everything about this game is shaping up to be so so awesome! Cannot wait.