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Albino Squirrel wrote:
Aren't Cadians just humans? They're as tall as a space marine, and almost as bulky. I saw hoping these were scaled a little better relative to each other. But I think you're right, it's just the poses and camera angle. The cultist is kinda squatting and is farther back, and the marine is up on a rock and probably on tip toe on his back foot.

The current plastic Cadians are horrible sculpts. Have a Forgeworld human (Krieg, Elysian, etc.) on a 25mm base beside a current plastic Space Marine on a 32mm base. They look pretty good side by side. No need to upscale the Space Marine.

GW is making better and better humans, the Chaos cultists aren't that bad and the GSC cultists are even better proportioned.

Ugh are the 4th gens on 25mm bases??? I thought GW didn't do 25mm anymore... damn, I hope I can change my base order from Secret Weapon still!!! :S

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Ugh are the 4th gens on 25mm bases??? I thought GW didn't do 25mm anymore... damn, I hope I can change my base order from Secret Weapon still!!! :S

Who told you that? Some "big infantry" models are moving to 32 but not everyone. Imagine how ridiculous a grot would look on a 32mm base? They already look pretty list on a 25….

I kinda took a break from mini stuff for 2 years, right around when the chatter was 'switching to 32mm', just assumed it was across the board. Well lesson learned lol...

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Aren't Cadians just humans? They're as tall as a space marine, and almost as bulky. I saw hoping these were scaled a little better relative to each other. But I think you're right, it's just the poses and camera angle. The cultist is kinda squatting and is farther back, and the marine is up on a rock and probably on tip toe on his back foot.

The current plastic Cadians are horrible sculpts. Have a Forgeworld human (Krieg, Elysian, etc.) on a 25mm base beside a current plastic Space Marine on a 32mm base. They look pretty good side by side. No need to upscale the Space Marine.

GW is making better and better humans, the Chaos cultists aren't that bad and the GSC cultists are even better proportioned.

That fixes the height difference, it doesn't change the Marine's tiny thighs and waist. And the GW plastics are not moving closer to the FW resins in terms of height, they're just slightly better proportioned these days; if you had a Marine and a "modern" plastic human in the same pose the proportional difference in height wouldn't even be close to the foot+ extra that should be there, you're talking the Human's eyes being level with the Marine's chin or mouth when they should be looking at the top of the sternum.

There are problems with GW's humans & Marines in relation to each other that go beyond the usual heroic scale quirks, and making larger Marines is still the easiest way to sort that since in and of themselves the human models have fewer flaws to fix.

I never get this discussion tbh, it's literally the only type of hobby project I've seen where there's always someone trying to disprove the need for the conversion and dissuade folk from doing it - is it because acknowledging that the Marines are flawed would challenged the perceived value of the models, and so you need to prove they're not flawed so you don't experience buyer's remorse or something? There must be something, because you don't see folk responding to posts talking about scratchbuilding or converting GW tanks to fix their scaling issues with "the tanks are fine, you don't need to fix them, just buy smaller infantry if you want them to look bigger"

Hmm now I'm wondering what size base the Patriarch is on... 50 or 60mm...

So, by my count (for anyone looking to base with resin cast) -

Primus 1x32mm
Magus 1x32mm
Two Familiars 2x25mm
2 Purestrain Genestealers 2x32mm
4 Aberrants 4x32mm
12 Acolyte Hybrids of the 1st and 2nd generation 12x32mm
16 Neophyte Hybrids of the 3rd and 4th generation 16x25mm
1 Patriarch 1x50(60?)mm
9 deathwatch marines 32mm
1 deathwatch bike cav base
1 terminator 40mm
1 teleport homer 25mm
1 servo 25mm

so, counting up -

29x32mm
1x40mm
1x50(60?)mm
20x25mm
1x bike cav

Sound about right?

The Patriarch is on a 50mm round. The instructions manual incorrectly labels the bases for the Magus and Primus as 25mm
as well whilst you are provided with enough bases to put them both on 32 mm (it looks far better too). IIRC this has happened with another release (possibly Deathstorm...?).

50! Thanks man now I can make my deck base order with peace of mind... Appreciate the info -

Ordered it yesterday. I'm still not sure I really want it (the later gen hybrids are great, the earlier ones a bit meh) but the store gives an extra 5% off for preorders. Compared to a regular starter it feels terribly expensive and ) bit empty (c'mon, a Sigmarine is almost as big as the single bike in there ), but Cain novels and the Draco trilogy made me interested in tbe Cults. Eh. I can always return it if I regret it in the next few days.

Has anybody put up a good review or such yet?

There are a few, i think bols and spikey bits. Glowing reviews too!

Worth bearing in mind that changing the base size is going to effect the gameplay, less will fit in a space.

Comparisons to Sigmarines are a bit mute, they may be bulky but they are pretty basic similar pose models without massive detail. The characters are great but the basic troopers less so IMO. Detail on DW stuff is great on everything.

It wouldn't surprise me if the DW are a slightly different proportion; the DV Chaos Chosen are just that bit bigger/bulkier than standard SM, partly because of the more upright poses.

The oval base for the biker Sergeant is an odd choice. It looks good and works for the board game but I dont want these used for biker units in 40k as well. It is the same base the Broodlord had it Deathstorm? Or the larger one the Carnifex came with?

Scale shot if anyone's interested

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Hmm now I'm wondering what size base the Patriarch is on... 50 or 60mm...

So, by my count (for anyone looking to base with resin cast) -

Primus 1x32mm
Magus 1x32mm
Two Familiars 2x25mm
2 Purestrain Genestealers 2x32mm
4 Aberrants 4x32mm
12 Acolyte Hybrids of the 1st and 2nd generation 12x32mm
16 Neophyte Hybrids of the 3rd and 4th generation 16x25mm
1 Patriarch 1x50(60?)mm
9 deathwatch marines 32mm
1 deathwatch bike cav base
1 terminator 40mm
1 teleport homer 25mm
1 servo 25mm

so, counting up -

29x32mm
1x40mm
1x50(60?)mm
20x25mm
1x bike cav

Sound about right?

The only correction is the Mining Laser guys are also on 32mms :-)


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Warhams-77 wrote:
The oval base for the biker Sergeant is an odd choice. It looks good and works for the board game but I dont want these used for biker units in 40k as well. It is the same base the Broodlord had it Deathstorm? Or the larger one the Carnifex came with?

It's the large cavalry base from AoS (the size up from the small cav/skitarii sniper base) if that helps.

In my opinion it looks great and a 1000x better than the 40k bike bases which I have a real pet hate for. I hope moving forward all bikes come on these bases.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The oval base for the biker Sergeant is an odd choice. It looks good and works for the board game but I dont want these used for biker units in 40k as well. It is the same base the Broodlord had it Deathstorm? Or the larger one the Carnifex came with?

Same as Spawn of Cryptus from Deathstorm(75mm oval). Carnifex base is much bigger

@Bottle: wholeheartedly agree. Swapped my Centigors from the rectangular bases to 75mm oval and they look fantastic. Had a play around with my ravenwing bikes as well and they look much much nicer.

Cannot wait to pick this up tomorrow! OH.MY.GOD :-)

I guess this News & Rumours thread will be closed soon, where is the best place to discuss DW:OK? I think we need a "GW Board Games" section

GW specialist games section most likely.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The oval base for the biker Sergeant is an odd choice. It looks good and works for the board game but I dont want these used for biker units in 40k as well. It is the same base the Broodlord had it Deathstorm? Or the larger one the Carnifex came with?

Same as Spawn of Cryptus from Deathstorm(75mm oval). Carnifex base is much bigger

@Bottle: wholeheartedly agree. Swapped my Centigors from the rectangular bases to 75mm oval and they look fantastic. Had a play around with my ravenwing bikes as well and they look much much nicer.

Thanks guys. And I have to admit the oval bases wouldnt be such a bad thing in 40k.

Mine just arrived (mmm new game smell),

Weird how the some of the bases come in bags and the rest are loose, I guess making up a specific bag for the game wasn't cost effective

and I love the way the Magus has dangly sashes and other bling applied to the front, a few years back it would have been part of the body and much less detailed

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Mine just arrived (mmm new game smell),

Weird how the some of the bases come in bags and the rest are loose, I guess making up a specific bag for the game wasn't cost effective

and I love the way the Magus has dangly sashes and other bling applied to the front, a few years back it would have been part of the body and much less detailed

The Genestealer minis are pretty nice! Definitely, the nicest kits I've picked up in a good while.

Just picked mine up. Unbelievably detailed models in this kit! I can't wait to get these things painted up!

I grabbed the WD110 on my lunch break. I haven't looked at it yet.

I also got to see the box the store ordered for someone. It's pretty hefty. Makes me want one, but I my to do list is in front of me, keeping me honest with my purchases.

 totalfailure wrote:
There a couple of independents around here that routinely put stuff out on Wednesdays when they get it, and have been doing so for years. There's another one that won't put it out until 1PM on Saturdays, following GW to the letter!

If an independent retailer continually puts out new releases early, and GW continues to get proof, GW can stop them from getting new releases for 6 months to 3 years, if I recall correctly.

 Schlyne wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
There a couple of independents around here that routinely put stuff out on Wednesdays when they get it, and have been doing so for years. There's another one that won't put it out until 1PM on Saturdays, following GW to the letter!

If an independent retailer continually puts out new releases early, and GW continues to get proof, GW can stop them from getting new releases for 6 months to 3 years, if I recall correctly.

Good to know.


Y'know, from a legal standpoint. It's actually terrible for trying to keep that store as a GW stockist instead of being dropped in favor of other games and/or distributors.

I havent downloaded and checked the content yet but just saw there is a PDF under rules in GW's NZ webshop

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Deathwatch-Overkill-EN

Thanks, it's all the 40k rules for Deathwatch and the Cult. :-)

Nice

 Bottle wrote:
Thanks, it's all the 40k rules for Deathwatch and the Cult. :-)

Can't see what you two are seeing...

Click the link above and go to 'Rules'. Then 'Download the rules...'