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Honestly it was for two reasons:
If it got lost, damaged or refused, the PO would open it and return it to me, as you cannot send a parcel without a return address. I didn't want dirty clothes once, I sure as hell didn't want them again. There were some very personal items in there, that even if he was a fruit cake, didn't deserve losing to the mail system.
Plus, it would have confused him a great deal, which without resorting to property damage, cheered me up.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Give me your address, I have tons of clothes here that need washing (no need for ironing)!!!

LOL

NOW OPEN!
Buttery's imperial laundry service: We get the heresy right out!

Back in the 90s there was a group of guys I played 40k with, this was back in 2nd ed. There was this one guy named Stu. Stu was your poster child for smelly, sloppy, annoying, disgusting gamers, and he lived with his girlfriend and they had 4 or 5 kids together. Again, not married. The girlfriend was actually kind of cute if she was cleaned up. Anyway, It was game night at the comic book store, and I was in the card gaming room sitting at a table playing Battletech with a friend. Stu's girlfriend came in and sat down beside me. We greated each other, she asked what we were playing, I told her, she leaned in, put her hand under the table on on my thigh, squeezed, and asked when was I going to teach her how to play. I bolted straight up, announced to my friend I had forgot I had to do something, and headed for the door. My friend, who is totally confused, yells what about my mechs, and I yelled back keep them for me! That was completely shocking and awkward. The thought of going were Stu had been grossed me out. ( still shudders thinking about it)

 Raven911 wrote:
Back in the 90s there was a group of guys I played 40k with, this was back in 2nd ed. There was this one guy named Stu. Stu was your poster child for smelly, sloppy, annoying, disgusting gamers, and he lived with his girlfriend and they had 4 or 5 kids together. Again, not married. The girlfriend was actually kind of cute if she was cleaned up. Anyway, It was game night at the comic book store, and I was in the card gaming room sitting at a table playing Battletech with a friend. Stu's girlfriend came in and sat down beside me. We greated each other, she asked what we were playing, I told her, she leaned in, put her hand under the table on on my thigh, squeezed, and asked when was I going to teach her how to play. I bolted straight up, announced to my friend I had forgot I had to do something, and headed for the door. My friend, who is totally confused, yells what about my mechs, and I yelled back keep them for me! That was completely shocking and awkward. The thought of going were Stu had been grossed me out. ( still shudders thinking about it)

But, you could have saved her from a life with Stu. You could have been a great father to Stu's kids. You and the former Mrs. Stu could be gaming right now on New Year's Eve in your beautiful home with Stu's beautiful children. You could have been living the dream, but you threw it all away for some misguided morality trip.

I'll bet Mrs. Stu thinks about you to this very day.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

I washed, ironed and returned them, because if there's anything weirder than mailing someone your dirty laundry, it's mailing someone else's back.

 the_Armyman wrote:
but you threw it all away for some misguided morality trip.

I don't think it was morality.

More sanitary.

 Vermis wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
but you threw it all away for some misguided morality trip.

I don't think it was morality.

More sanitary.

Bah, nothing some Lysol and Purell won't fix. Then again I'm kinda the NDG (Non-Discriminating Guy) as described by Stephen Lynch TM. And if he can't give her what he needs I don't have a problem doing it. So long as they no longer an item type thing or with his consent (just don't do 3-somes. Don't like my dice bag to rub against someone elses).

And suddenly the thread went creepy...

 NorseSig wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
but you threw it all away for some misguided morality trip.

I don't think it was morality.

More sanitary.

Bah, nothing some Lysol and Purell won't fix. Then again I'm kinda the NDG (Non-Discriminating Guy) as described by Stephen Lynch TM. And if he can't give her what he needs I don't have a problem doing it. So long as they no longer an item type thing or with his consent (just don't do 3-somes. Don't like my dice bag to rub against someone elses).

Now THAT is an image we all could have lived without. Now I might not be able to touch an actual dice bag without thinking of this (lol JK!). Although you're right, that would not be pleasant at all.

As for BC's story, when he mentioned his weight, all I could think of was "Someone get this guy a sandwich!"

Uh, the pedant in me needs to point out that threesomes don't require dice bags anywhere near each other. You might bump heads, though.

I lived above a pizza place at the time, and I could down a 14" of an evening. The owner thought I was ordering for my room mates (because what 98lb person sits at home and eats their weight in pizza?), so would occasionally make a "mistake" and double the order to help out us poor students. Except it was just me, in my room, eating my way through Fable II.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Uh, the pedant in me needs to point out that threesomes don't require dice bags anywhere near each other. You might bump heads, though.

Or depending on the arrangement you or someone else might get accidentally bit. On another note threesomes are seriously overrated and completely un-sexy. They don't go anything like they do in the "movies" and someone is usually get less attention or sometimes someone is getting too much attention. Really creepy if it 2 guys and a girl and the second guy is too interested in the other guy.


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 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I lived above a pizza place at the time, and I could down a 14" of an evening. The owner thought I was ordering for my room mates (because what 98lb person sits at home and eats their weight in pizza?), so would occasionally make a "mistake" and double the order to help out us poor students. Except it was just me, in my room, eating my way through Fable II.

Except for the fable II part that sounds a lot like heaven lol.

Hey Fable 2 was awesome.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Hey Fable 2 was awesome.

It was good, but there are other games from that period I liked better. To get back on thread topic...

The gaming store in the town I grew up in was horrible. No played in the tournaments because they were rigged. The "organizer" would participate and bring illegal decks and rule in his own favor, usually against the rules of the game (what ever it happened to be). He always took first and then would brag about how awesome he was. The actual owner was too much of a push over to do anything about it. When we started our own clean tournament without the organizer, he would come to harrass the other players. Meanwhile the store owner supported the community less and less. Started to treat the gamers as garbage even though we were bringing in all his profit. No clue if his game store is still in buisness. He was more interested in his music store anyway. It isn't so much a horror story as much as just an unpleasant one, but it is more in spirit of the thread; and a person could argue a bad and poorly run gaming store in a town with nothing else in it is it's own horror.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Raven911 wrote:
Back in the 90s there was a group of guys I played 40k with, this was back in 2nd ed. There was this one guy named Stu. Stu was your poster child for smelly, sloppy, annoying, disgusting gamers, and he lived with his girlfriend and they had 4 or 5 kids together. Again, not married. The girlfriend was actually kind of cute if she was cleaned up. Anyway, It was game night at the comic book store, and I was in the card gaming room sitting at a table playing Battletech with a friend. Stu's girlfriend came in and sat down beside me. We greated each other, she asked what we were playing, I told her, she leaned in, put her hand under the table on on my thigh, squeezed, and asked when was I going to teach her how to play. I bolted straight up, announced to my friend I had forgot I had to do something, and headed for the door. My friend, who is totally confused, yells what about my mechs, and I yelled back keep them for me! That was completely shocking and awkward. The thought of going were Stu had been grossed me out. ( still shudders thinking about it)

But, you could have saved her from a life with Stu. You could have been a great father to Stu's kids. You and the former Mrs. Stu could be gaming right now on New Year's Eve in your beautiful home with Stu's beautiful children. You could have been living the dream, but you threw it all away for some misguided morality trip.

I'll bet Mrs. Stu thinks about you to this very day.

I would deffinatley been an upgrade. But I think I'll keep my smoking hot latina wife and beautiful daughter.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Uh, the pedant in me needs to point out that threesomes don't require dice bags anywhere near each other. You might bump heads, though.

If there are more than one "dice bag" in a threesome you are doing it wrong.

 NorseSig wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Hey Fable 2 was awesome.

It was good, but there are other games from that period I liked better. To get back on thread topic...

The gaming store in the town I grew up in was horrible. No played in the tournaments because they were rigged. The "organizer" would participate and bring illegal decks and rule in his own favor, usually against the rules of the game (what ever it happened to be). He always took first and then would brag about how awesome he was. The actual owner was too much of a push over to do anything about it. When we started our own clean tournament without the organizer, he would come to harrass the other players. Meanwhile the store owner supported the community less and less. Started to treat the gamers as garbage even though we were bringing in all his profit. No clue if his game store is still in buisness. He was more interested in his music store anyway. It isn't so much a horror story as much as just an unpleasant one, but it is more in spirit of the thread; and a person could argue a bad and poorly run gaming store in a town with nothing else in it is it's own horror.

This reminds me of a store run by a high school friend's father long, long ago. I had heard that the son would rig tournaments by changing the rules and not tell anyone, and then win them; I forget the specific details as it was long ago, I was banned from the store at the time, and know nothing about Magic but something about having to acquire X life points instead of lose them, so he had a deck that did it and didn't tell anyone that those were the rules until he won the event. I don't know for sure but that's what I had heard just before they closed down. He also did something similar in WHFB, had a league and then proceeded to play (this was 5th edition) a Bretonnian army that consisted of a souped-up lord on a dragon and a min unit of archers that hid the entire game, and just steamrolled everybody to make them drop out because it was totally unfun to play against, and then used his prize money to buy more Magic cards (which I never really got since his dad owned the store, and he worked in the store so he basically could have gotten anything he wanted).

I was banned from there because at the time I had been playing Hackmaster, back when Kenzerco had an association for stores (to keep up the theme of the game from the comics), and they were bringing people into the group, giving them magic items then killing them, taking the items and basically calling them sissies/wimps who couldn't handle the game and running them out of the store, basically taking the tongue-in-cheek attitude Hackmaster had to the extreme, also the owner's son had the most powerful character and the other PCs were in-game basically his servants/hirelings who did whatever he said, because he would kill them if they didn't. I innocently posted a question on the forums asking for character advice (my plan was to suck up to him) and mentioned something about the group, then another guy who had it happen to him chimed in and said what had happened, and it culminated in the store being kicked out of the retail association and then a bunch of people (including at least one who had the stuff happen to him) come on the forum to make death threats towards me for getting the shop kicked out. I never went back but once recall asking a 40k group I was interested in joining to casually mention my name, because they were planning to play at the store and I told them that I had history with the store, and wasn't comfortable going there but maybe if I had a group, it would be better. The response I got later that day was that not only was I not welcome in the store, group or not, but I should avoid even being in the vicinity of the store while they were playing. I never did quite figure out what that meant but I gathered it would have been something like "There he is, get him!" if they saw me.

I used to play in a store where the owner ran organised play for tournaments, and I would travel to several others, so had a concept how how wrong this one was.
The tournaments were played fairly. But. The owner would trade the prizes off his players, "buy" them for store credit against second hand items and games. Common and ucommon booster pulls.
Except the trades were rarely fair. The part the galled me was that the players thought they were up on the deal, happily telling me of the tons of credit they'd earned, whilst the owner sold their prizes for real money on eBay. We're talking months of £25/week top prizes. By trading the items back, the owner was circumventing the part where he was not allowed to simply take the prizes from the boxes and sell them without running games.
So he would get the entry and booster money from the tournaments, the prizes, and no culpability.

 Raven911 wrote:
If there are more than one "dice bag" in a threesome you are doing it wrong.

Many would disagree; takes all types to make a world. Not everyone is linear.
(And no, I still wouldn't have enjoyed my evening with the vampire LARPers)

This reminds me of a store run by a high school friend's father long, long ago. I had heard that the son would rig tournaments by changing the rules and not tell anyone, and then win them; I forget the specific details as it was long ago, I was banned from the store at the time, and know nothing about Magic but something about having to acquire X life points instead of lose them, so he had a deck that did it and didn't tell anyone that those were the rules until he won the event. I don't know for sure but that's what I had heard just before they closed down. He also did something similar in WHFB, had a league and then proceeded to play (this was 5th edition) a Bretonnian army that consisted of a souped-up lord on a dragon and a min unit of archers that hid the entire game, and just steamrolled everybody to make them drop out because it was totally unfun to play against, and then used his prize money to buy more Magic cards (which I never really got since his dad owned the store, and he worked in the store so he basically could have gotten anything he wanted).

I was banned from there because at the time I had been playing Hackmaster, back when Kenzerco had an association for stores (to keep up the theme of the game from the comics), and they were bringing people into the group, giving them magic items then killing them, taking the items and basically calling them sissies/wimps who couldn't handle the game and running them out of the store, basically taking the tongue-in-cheek attitude Hackmaster had to the extreme, also the owner's son had the most powerful character and the other PCs were in-game basically his servants/hirelings who did whatever he said, because he would kill them if they didn't. I innocently posted a question on the forums asking for character advice (my plan was to suck up to him) and mentioned something about the group, then another guy who had it happen to him chimed in and said what had happened, and it culminated in the store being kicked out of the retail association and then a bunch of people (including at least one who had the stuff happen to him) come on the forum to make death threats towards me for getting the shop kicked out. I never went back but once recall asking a 40k group I was interested in joining to casually mention my name, because they were planning to play at the store and I told them that I had history with the store, and wasn't comfortable going there but maybe if I had a group, it would be better. The response I got later that day was that not only was I not welcome in the store, group or not, but I should avoid even being in the vicinity of the store while they were playing. I never did quite figure out what that meant but I gathered it would have been something like "There he is, get him!" if they saw me.

I feel this kind of thing happens more often than one would expect. I have noticed it is hard to find responsible, fair, and professional gaming store owners. I know the owner of the store in my local area (before he closed the doors due to personal reasons) had several people managing it for him behind the scenes before he took over (he was a silent partner/owner). The managers before he took over were unprofessional and outright thieves (would steal cards from the customers). For several years after the owner got rid of them he worked a full time job then come run the store after work.

I know of one Game store "Manager" in the area that manage to kill off at least 2 different store. Back when GW was selling the Black boxes this gentleman would pretty much keep the models if he liked them. He also manage to get at least one store kicked out of the MTG tournament program because he was flogging the prizes on Ebay. I remember he went to the GAMA trade show and Wyrd had loaded him down with box sets for demos and giveaways and they never showed up in the store. He and his crew would get the store filled with the latest game he was playing and once they were finished the game was never spoken of again but they had tons of product left. I am not sure how this fellow kept getting hired but he managed to convince the new store owners he was god's gift to gaming. The last I heard he bought out the last store after he ran it into the ground and opened his own store. It is not that far away but I would not even think of going there.

Karnophage wrote:
I know of one Game store "Manager" in the area that manage to kill off at least 2 different store. Back when GW was selling the Black boxes this gentleman would pretty much keep the models if he liked them. He also manage to get at least one store kicked out of the MTG tournament program because he was flogging the prizes on Ebay. I remember he went to the GAMA trade show and Wyrd had loaded him down with box sets for demos and giveaways and they never showed up in the store. He and his crew would get the store filled with the latest game he was playing and once they were finished the game was never spoken of again but they had tons of product left. I am not sure how this fellow kept getting hired but he managed to convince the new store owners he was god's gift to gaming. The last I heard he bought out the last store after he ran it into the ground and opened his own store. It is not that far away but I would not even think of going there.

Maybe he ran them into the ground intentionally to hopefully get the owner to sell to get his own store without a lot of the usual costs associated with starting a business. Certainly less paperwork. And if you have the old inventory, then you have to do less to get up and running. I would have bought out the old FLGS owner here when he was closing his doors if I could have afforded it. He was trying to sell it to a new owner instead of another store out of town to keep the shop open, but no one had the cash despite his low price.

While employee theft is always bad, I think that it's almost surprising it doesn't happen more. I mean, think about what happens in most of these cases:

1) Take a person, usually young, and give them the responsibility to open/close a store, handle cash, and even hire/fire employees.
2) Pay them as little as possible.
3) be shocked when they supplement their income!

At one point in 2003, I had keys, scheduling responsibility, and hiring/firing authority over a small swimming pool supply store. I was paid $9/hour. I know at least two other managers were involved in fairly major theft of the store or the main location. One was caught and immediately fired, the other highly suspected and eventually "let go."

Nothing to bad, but frusterating and kinda shady business practice IMO
So, we all wanted to get n more games for Pathfinder society. So we go to a newly open store and start playing. about 3 weeks in, we all get an email from the Bay Area coordinator telling us to go to another store, that this one is shady, does illegal stuff and he will never support Pathfinder Society there. So we stop. What do I find out? the Coordinator is best friends with the owner of another store down the street that has been there longer and secretly ranting and raving about it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nothing to bad, but frusterating and kinda shady business practice IMO
So, we all wanted to get n more games for Pathfinder society. So we go to a newly open store and start playing. about 3 weeks in, we all get an email from the Bay Area coordinator telling us to go to another store, that this one is shady, does illegal stuff and he will never support Pathfinder Society there. So we stop. What do I find out? the Coordinator is best friends with the owner of another store down the street that has been there longer and secretly ranting and raving about it.

It might not be the worst, but it is one of those situations that leaves a REALLY bad taste in your mouth. This kind of thing seems to be something that happens a lot in the gaming community as well.

Back in the early 2000's El Paso, TX had a short lived shop that opened out of spite of another (much better) shop. The owner and his wife were long time military, and would aggressively troll the other store to try and get people to go over. The store started off super slow (mostly because people didn't like the owners), and eventually you could see the writing on the wall when products weren't restocked and new releases weren't purchased.

One afternoon, towards the tail end of the shops lifespan, some friends and I went over (we were 16 and 17) to see if we could find any gems, (they occasionally would stock some rare blood bowl teams and necromunda gangs). We tried opening the door and it was locked, despite the "We're Open" sign being on, and the stores lights being on. So we knocked on the door and waited a few minutes. The owners wife eventually walks in and open's the door wearing what appears to be just a t-shirt and nothing else. Shortly thereafter, two ugly dudes come out from the back looking disheveled buckling up their pants, and walking out. Feeling uncomfortable but not wanting to be rude since she let us in, we quickly perused the store to be polite and tried to slowly walk out. Before we get to the door, the woman tells us "boys if you ever want to party, I'm looking to make some extra money, I can work out a discount for all of you". We got out of there as fast as we could and never went back. Not that I would be down for that anyway, but this woman was about as nasty as it gets.

Fast forward a year later (the store had since closed), my friends take me to a strip club for my 18th birthday, and there's this same nasty chick working the floor (Imagine the nasty South Park "Anybody want a daaaance" stripper). She comes to talk to us as she recognized us and we all stone faced repeatedly act like we've never met her. Before the night ends, we see her getting escorted out of the strip club by a cop for soliciting prostitution to an undercover officer.

While some of these horror stories are good, being solicited to a gangbang with a nasty store owner when we were all underage is about as terrifying as it gets.

 NorseSig wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nothing to bad, but frusterating and kinda shady business practice IMO
So, we all wanted to get n more games for Pathfinder society. So we go to a newly open store and start playing. about 3 weeks in, we all get an email from the Bay Area coordinator telling us to go to another store, that this one is shady, does illegal stuff and he will never support Pathfinder Society there. So we stop. What do I find out? the Coordinator is best friends with the owner of another store down the street that has been there longer and secretly ranting and raving about it.

It might not be the worst, but it is one of those situations that leaves a REALLY bad taste in your mouth. This kind of thing seems to be something that happens a lot in the gaming community as well.

The owner of the store I mentioned in my first post liked to send his employees with super curbstomp decks made from the store's cards to his competitor's Friday Night Magic just to make it unenjoyable for the other players who were there. It was a small store and most of the players there were either new or just playing casually. My buddy recognized what was going on and told the owner of his competitor and got all the employees banned from the store. Of course, I didn't learn about this until after I had already decided I was pretty much already done with them. That said, I agree on the bad taste you get when you hear about that sort of tomfoolery.

I think I'm going to barf...that prostitution story took my mind to places I didn't want to go...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I think I'm going to barf...that prostitution story took my mind to places I didn't want to go...

Same. Yet with that story and Paulson's. I'm starting to wonder how many LFGSs have these secret hookup rooms. All my current one has is a maintenance closet. If this is the norm, I may think twice about grabbing the broom out for something.

 Mr_Piddlez wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I think I'm going to barf...that prostitution story took my mind to places I didn't want to go...

Same. Yet with that story and Paulson's. I'm starting to wonder how many LFGSs have these secret hookup rooms. All my current one has is a maintenance closet. If this is the norm, I may think twice about grabbing the broom out for something.

I'm pretty non-discriminating, but even I don't go for prostitutes. Doesn't matter to me how good or bad they look. They are usually nothing more than slaves to some pimp, and I don't go for that crap. I don't like hotel rooms. They aren't cleaned anywhere near as well as people think. I travel with plastic sheets for the beds when I know I will need to stay in a hotel room. So, maintenance closets are pretty low on my list of things to be skeeved out by. I do like a good dirty girl who is "free spirited."

Is he still talking?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nothing to bad, but frusterating and kinda shady business practice IMO
So, we all wanted to get n more games for Pathfinder society. So we go to a newly open store and start playing. about 3 weeks in, we all get an email from the Bay Area coordinator telling us to go to another store, that this one is shady, does illegal stuff and he will never support Pathfinder Society there. So we stop. What do I find out? the Coordinator is best friends with the owner of another store down the street that has been there longer and secretly ranting and raving about it.

So, you got an e-mail from a guy who told you to do something, and you did it without giving it a second thought? You must be rich, too, from giving all those Nigerian princes your bank account info