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For me its Eldar, may be influenced by a recent hammering whilst using my nids. (1500 points, I killed 8 models, 5 were my own)
They have got a lot of choice in that codex. Even units that people deem mediocre and would never use are better than a lot of stuff in other books.
They also seem to thrive in a variety of tournament formats and comps, with good support from Forgeworld, and often prop up there weaker allies in Dark Eldar
MWHistorian wrote: I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
Haven't played against Ravenwing in a while, have you?
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2015/12/19 22:41:26
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
Overall I'll have to vote Eldar, especially in the psychic phase. I thought Chaos or the Tyranids would be the 'terror in the warp'... turns out it was space elves all along
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MWHistorian wrote: I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
CSM had to be a joke! DA... Maybe someone faced a Ravenwing Strike Force that spammed BlackKnights and Darkshrouds? That is a pretty nasty list, but you'd have to never face a nasty Decurion or Eldar list to think it the best.
MWHistorian wrote: I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
CSM had to be a joke! DA... Maybe someone faced a Ravenwing Strike Force that spammed BlackKnights and Darkshrouds? That is a pretty nasty list, but you'd have to never face a nasty Decurion or Eldar list to think it the best.
I'm actually surprised that Daemons are seemingly thought of as a weaksauce codex... Our strong lists are still pretty eff'ing nasty, and Summoning is a pain to deal with if you lack Alpha Strike capability and/or don't really see it coming.
Chaos Marines should never have been included in the poll honestly.
MWHistorian wrote: I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
CSM had to be a joke! DA... Maybe someone faced a Ravenwing Strike Force that spammed BlackKnights and Darkshrouds? That is a pretty nasty list, but you'd have to never face a nasty Decurion or Eldar list to think it the best.
I'm actually surprised that Daemons are seemingly thought of as a weaksauce codex... Our strong lists are still pretty eff'ing nasty, and Summoning is a pain to deal with if you lack Alpha Strike capability and/or don't really see it coming.
Chaos Marines should never have been included in the poll honestly.
I agree. Deamons are actually one of the lists I struggle against.. the only army I have wiped the board with my friend was a windrider/dire avenger shrine elder army.
At 2000 points my friends list is as follows and he hasn't lost a game yet with it:
2 squads of horros (to sit in the back and summon summon SUMMON!)
2 squads of seekers (I think 20 in each)
3 squads of deamonettes (again 20 in each)
6 Defilers (I think this is what they are called.. the battlecannon walker guys)
It seems not that great... but man.. I thought it was going to be a cake walk for my tau and I was mistaken. I could wipe out a squad or two of demons but them I have 6 battle cannons in the background. If I focus on the big guys, then I have demons in my face assaulting me (which is really bad as tau).
jreilly89 wrote: C'mon, seriously? Eldar. "But what about-" Eldar. "But even if it's-" Eldar. It will always be Eldar.
I have to agree, but back in 3-5th Edition it used to be that you had to know how to use them to win. 6-7 edition Eldar is follow recipe and you'll have a very high chance of winning even for a newbie.
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MWHistorian wrote: I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
CSM had to be a joke! DA... Maybe someone faced a Ravenwing Strike Force that spammed BlackKnights and Darkshrouds? That is a pretty nasty list, but you'd have to never face a nasty Decurion or Eldar list to think it the best.
I'm actually surprised that Daemons are seemingly thought of as a weaksauce codex... Our strong lists are still pretty eff'ing nasty, and Summoning is a pain to deal with if you lack Alpha Strike capability and/or don't really see it coming.
Chaos Marines should never have been included in the poll honestly.
I agree. Deamons are actually one of the lists I struggle against.. the only army I have wiped the board with my friend was a windrider/dire avenger shrine elder army.
At 2000 points my friends list is as follows and he hasn't lost a game yet with it:
2 squads of horros (to sit in the back and summon summon SUMMON!)
2 squads of seekers (I think 20 in each)
3 squads of deamonettes (again 20 in each)
6 Defilers (I think this is what they are called.. the battlecannon walker guys)
It seems not that great... but man.. I thought it was going to be a cake walk for my tau and I was mistaken. I could wipe out a squad or two of demons but them I have 6 battle cannons in the background. If I focus on the big guys, then I have demons in my face assaulting me (which is really bad as tau).
I'm assuming he likely had Heralds as well?
Tzeentchians to add more WC's (each can be upgraded to Lv3), and the Slaany ones on mounts w/Exalted Locus turn Seekers into complete toolbags.
He had Soul Grinders - Defliers are the massively inferior CSM versions, which cost almost twice as many pts, have -1av to their front & sides, and get exactly 0 synergies/buffs from the rest of the Marine army!
Actually, be thankful he didn't bring any of the real nasties, such as flying DP's, Herald-led Khorne Dogs, re-rollable 2++ stupidity, 'The Good Book'(tm), Str.D 'Thirster, beatstick LoC, Screamerstar, etc...
jreilly89 wrote: C'mon, seriously? Eldar. "But what about-" Eldar. "But even if it's-" Eldar. It will always be Eldar.
I have to agree, but back in 3-5th Edition it used to be that you had to know how to use them to win. 6-7 edition Eldar is follow recipe and you'll have a very high chance of winning even for a newbie.
Well, at least 7.5 smeldar aren't quite 7th ed Fantasy Daemons of Chaos levels of stupidly auto-win...
Sure Scatbikes, Str.D spam & Wraithknights are cringe worthy, but it's still not the same level of 'LolzWhut?!' that Daemons were.
I'm assuming he likely had Heralds as well?
Tzeentchians to add more WC's (each can be upgraded to Lv3), and the Slaany ones on mounts w/Exalted Locus turn Seekers into complete toolbags.
He had Soul Grinders - Defliers are the massively inferior CSM versions, which cost almost twice as many pts, have -1av to their front & sides, and get exactly 0 synergies/buffs from the rest of the Marine army!
Actually, be thankful he didn't bring any of the real nasties, such as flying DP's, Herald-led Khorne Dogs, re-rollable 2++ stupidity, 'The Good Book'(tm), Str.D 'Thirster, beatstick LoC, Screamerstar, etc...
yes he had heralds and such. And thanks for the clarification, outside of this one guy we do not have any other demon players in our local group, so my familiarity with them is probably where my struggles begin =D
Soul Grinders sounds super familiar not that you mentioned it.
Khorne dogs are gross. One of my favorite games I recently played was against a friend of mine playing Khorne. He ran the D-Thirster, 2 maulerfiends, 2 Defilers, some chaos lord with the dogs... rough game. Khorne was pleased this day haha
Sure, Necrons and Space Marines have some good stuff to work with. Enough to win tournaments with heavy Eldar presence. But they aren't easymode like Scatterbike/WK/Seer spam is.
jreilly89 wrote: C'mon, seriously? Eldar. "But what about-" Eldar. "But even if it's-" Eldar. It will always be Eldar.
I have to agree, but back in 3-5th Edition it used to be that you had to know how to use them to win. 6-7 edition Eldar is follow recipe and you'll have a very high chance of winning even for a newbie.
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I would say the top three armies in order of strongest to weakest are Eldar, Tau, Necrons. Tau and Necrons are actually pretty close, but I believe the Tau edge the Necrons out.
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NorseSig wrote: I would say the top three armies in order of strongest to weakest are Eldar, Tau, Necrons. Tau and Necrons are actually pretty close, but I believe the Tau edge the Necrons out.
From a BA point of view, I'd much rather face Necrons than Tau. I may not win, but fast obj sec and some melee hammers give me a shot. Most of the time against Tau, I set up and lose instantly.
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2015/12/31 18:43:55
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).
Not necessarily true. If everything was taxed towards GW sales over rules, we would have the Pyrovore rules for example. We wouldn't have rules for the harpy for example. The Dark Angles fighter? Best looking fighter with the crappiest rules if I am not mistaken. Termintors. Genestealers, lists go on and on , how there are nice looking minis with crappy rules. I am sure if the rules were good there would be more sales for them.
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Vankraken wrote: In unmodified book 40K with no holding back then Eldar #1 with Tau and Space Marines #2/3.
In ITC format games then Tau #1 with Space Marines #2 and a toss up between Eldar, War Convocation, and Necrons for #3.
What does ITC format do to Eldar to bump them to #2?
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Vankraken wrote: In unmodified book 40K with no holding back then Eldar #1 with Tau and Space Marines #2/3.
In ITC format games then Tau #1 with Space Marines #2 and a toss up between Eldar, War Convocation, and Necrons for #3.
I beg to differ. ITC really didn't nerf anything elder related except if you count only allowing 1 wraith knight (which is the same for all Lords of War)
Tau got majorly nerfed this last ITC voting. If anything I would say Tau would be #1 not in the ITC voting and definitly below Eldar and Necrons with ITC rules
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NorseSig wrote: I would say the top three armies in order of strongest to weakest are Eldar, Tau, Necrons. Tau and Necrons are actually pretty close, but I believe the Tau edge the Necrons out.
From a BA point of view, I'd much rather face Necrons than Tau. I may not win, but fast obj sec and some melee hammers give me a shot. Most of the time against Tau, I set up and lose instantly.
Plus most of the Necrons is limited to 24" range. Tau? Hah. Not even close.
But seriously, Eldar is powerful? The 200+ votes makes me think they are seriously OP.
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But seriously, Eldar is powerful? The 200+ votes makes me think they are seriously OP.
I think there's also a good bit of 'piling on' by people who read a lot of horror stories online about Eldar.
And/or, a number of people who probably play semi-competitive (ie: not "Tournament" level lists, but not super fluff bunny), or else play an older codex such as Chaos Marines/Orks/BA's/Guard, etc..., and have had the misfortune of meeting an Eldar player who refuses to run anything but the most optimised power lists.
I'm just really, really, surprised by how Daemons are now being seen as one of the weakest armies out there!
I know we're now the 2nd oldest codex in the game, but geez, talk about no respect!
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