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Rumor has it as well that different factions will have a small flavor bonus for their link teams. Not sure however if this is readily confirmable from any interview or presentation.

(ex, Nomad Core Link Teams of 3-5 would also get bonus X, PanO ones would get bonus Y, etc)

 Killionaire wrote:
Rumor has it as well that different factions will have a small flavor bonus for their link teams. Not sure however if this is readily confirmable from any interview or presentation.

(ex, Nomad Core Link Teams of 3-5 would also get bonus X, PanO ones would get bonus Y, etc)

Yeah, I don't see that happen and never heard that rumor you sure you or someone aren't wish listing.

Seconded. While it would be a fun addition if they could balance it, I haven't seen it pop up on the official boards yet, and those guys are on top of basically anything new.

Additionally, we don't know how linked teams will even work in HSN3. All we've heard is they will be 'revamped'. However, that's pretty vague, especially for CB. Critical hits were 'revamped' in N3, with only a small change. Coordinated Orders were likewise 'revamped', and changed massively.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
This will change when HSN3 releases, because we will *finally* have a complete complete ruleset. Playing N3 as is, although perfectly playable and complete in its own way, still *feels* incomplete because we know more revision/improvement/updates stand to come.

Yeah, one thing that really bugs me is that they didn't put all the rules in the core rule book. Having important rules be in an as yet unreleased expansion for no good reason is bad.

They should have updated all their rules from Human Sphere and the Core rulebook in N3, not left all the Human Sphere rules hanging out to dry. Human Sphere 3 should have entirely new rules, not be updating old ones. Its just lazy not to put Link Team rules and such in the core rulebook.

Infinity Wiki. What's the problem? No access to the internet? The fireteam rules are really straightforward, and are even linked from the army builder. Or download the HS and CP for free. Took me less than 5 minutes to work them out. Seems to me like people are trying to find problems. I'm working on the assumption that there is a good reason why the rules for fireteams weren't included in the main N3 rulebook, possibly a re-working of the rules that are going to take a lot of playtesting? Much prefer this approach to that of another very well known tabletop wargaming company.

Because I shouldn't have to flip between tons of books and PDFs just to find the rules for one model during a game(especially since their books are horribly laid out, and there are some clear translation issues). Its not a big deal when I am at my computer, but carrying all this crap with me is a pain.

It's one book and a wiki.
It's 'uncomfortable' for those of us used to 40k, or whatever system we've been playing for years (decades), but it's hardly especially complicated or even unusual.

Its certainly not a deal breaker, but there was no reason to split the rules up like that. It would have been a simple thing to do everything in one go instead of dragging it out over another book.

It seems that way to us, but they obviously felt differently and presumably they know their limitations better than we do. 10 years of growth is an impressive feat in this industry, so I will happily cut them some slack, especially if it's all moot in about a year.

To be fair, that would have also doubled the size of the book, which would have at least doubled the price, as they would have had to split into more books and a much bigger protective jacket. Remember it's not only the rules in HSN3, it's the fluff as well from HSN3 and Paradiso. They can't really leave that out of the physical copy - if you don't want the fluff, you just get the rules for free.

It would also have meant no N3 rulebook until now...

 IJW wrote:
It would also have meant no N3 rulebook until now...

Or worse, as CB believed HS and Paradiso would work pretty much as writing with the N3 core rules. We could of ended up with a N3 book with new reworked core rules and just reedited HS/Paradiso rule to fit the new format and layout with the only changes being the HS/Paradiso N3 FAQ pdf.

For a relatively small company such as Corvus Belli, every release has to be carefully thought out as it could be the difference between continuing to grow as a company or going bust. They can't afford a 'Dreadfleet'. If that means I have to wait for a high quality release then so be it. I'll keep using the excellent army builder and linked wiki in the meantime, which, to be honest, I'll probably use even when the hard copy of the rules come out.

 -Loki- wrote:
To be fair, that would have also doubled the size of the book, which would have at least doubled the price, as they would have had to split into more books and a much bigger protective jacket. Remember it's not only the rules in HSN3, it's the fluff as well from HSN3 and Paradiso. They can't really leave that out of the physical copy - if you don't want the fluff, you just get the rules for free.

Thats why you would NOT put the HS fluff in that book. And do a better job of condensing the rules. Its silly that just about every special rule has at least half a page explaining what it does.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
To be fair, that would have also doubled the size of the book, which would have at least doubled the price, as they would have had to split into more books and a much bigger protective jacket. Remember it's not only the rules in HSN3, it's the fluff as well from HSN3 and Paradiso. They can't really leave that out of the physical copy - if you don't want the fluff, you just get the rules for free.

Thats why you would NOT put the HS fluff in that book. And do a better job of condensing the rules. Its silly that just about every special rule has at least half a page explaining what it does.

So, just like leave out half the games current fluff? Once those rules are in physical form, the old book goes out of print. Keeping both in print is economically bad for the company. By not putting the fluff in the physical book, you essentially cut half of it from availability. Like it or not, fluff is a part of the physical releases, because it's the only place they put it. So the Human Sphere and Paradiso fluff has to go in an updated rulebook.

As for the rules, I much, much prefer this way of doing everything than the way they did it in N2. There's so many ways skills and equipment interact with different types of orders in this game it really does need to be done like this. Condensing the rules means going back the the ambiguity that was N2.

I dont see it as so much a stumbling but more a natural slowdown after N3.

There was a huge influx of new players like me with Icestorm and N3. Some of whom, for various reasons, lost interest.

My personal reasons are that the people I knew who were into infinity stopped playing after the N3 launch, I don't learn rules located in 1000 places and I was for a while waiting for the rewritten HS/CP + AF before losing interest.

Im not sure that any of that counts as them stumbling tho, they had me buy a heap of their miniatures after all. So they've already profited from me over the year.

I just have a heap of scifi minis to repurpose now.

I have been eyeing infinity since before it was publicly released, but did not buy in and start playing until the past year.

Its hard to comment on how the previous editions worked compared to this edition, as I never player them.

I don't think looking at a rulebook, and wiki is a bad deal. Often for 40k I have a codex/supplement/rulebook to look through with a possible google search for a forum consensus on a rules call. Not exactly a one source system...

I realize CB is a smaller gaming company, but from a model perspective they put out as many, or more, new sculpts a month than GW for example- with a high quality. We often do not notice this, because the releases are spread among various factions and rarely are one faction centric. They also update the rules for free online, which is amazing.

The scale issue for corregidor is not really as extreme as the Azrail makes it out to be. Most of the models can be fixed by adding a small plastic piece the size of the base, under the base just making the model taller. I recommend getting a orange clear 25mm base that is 1- 1.5mm thick and gluing it under the base of models which are 'short'.

Some sectorals do seem to have lists that are stuck in older editions and need updating mostly revolving around options for specialists, which is unfortunate- but this is an issue with every mini game. Right now there is a big difference in 40k codex power even among codexes which were updated to 7th(pre necron/decurion style formations) and after. That's terrible, essentially the whole 40k system is stuck in 6th vs. 7th vs 7.5th with balance nowhere between.

I think the only real issue with N3 is the probably unintended time between N3 and HSN3, and they should update a few of the profiles on the army site to the HSN3 ones that are not going to change before release- especially for certain sectorals (Like ASA- which I do not even play) That could use even a few FO options thrown somewhere to help them in ITS.

Scale creep, or just Scale Correction?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:




That's ridiculous growth. Achilles really hit the HGH these last few years

Well the guy's tougher to any TAG I have access to, so him being a huge guy doesn't strike me

He's a unique character so I don't think the scale comparison is really relevant other than as a curiosity. He's not going to be in a unit of Achilleseses.

I'd like to see a silhouette change in the profile commensurate with the model size change.

From very small S2 to slightly taller than S2?

Remember, the silhouette rule was added so models didn't gain benefits or drawbacks from their stance. This works both ways. Models crouched are taller because of their silhouette, making them easier to see. Models like Achilles, which are in a very upright position are slightly shorter because of their silhouette, making them a bit harder to see. CB want him to be S2, the model size/stance is irrelevant now that we have silhouettes.

Additionally, as posted in the news thread.



The old Achilles was really very small. New Achilles is basically normal sized for new models.

Where is that picture from? Giraldez' instagram?

Found it. On Giraldez' Instagram

as -Loki- pointed out the new model is actually closer to S2 than the old model.

The old model you could shoot nearly an inch above its head and still hit it because the model was so much smaller and crouching than the top of an S2 template/marker/whatever.

 Alpharius wrote:
Scale creep, or just Scale Correction?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:




That's ridiculous growth. Achilles really hit the HGH these last few years

Scale Creep thread is here, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648702.page, Mr. Moderator, sir.

Are you telling me what I should talk about in the thread I started to pseudo-complain about Infinity?!?

The nerve!

Anyway, that link isn't working...

Thread creep?

I'm interested to see what they plan to do for HS, just 'here's the book' or are they going to make more of a splash?

Isn't there a mini campaign thing coming up through a sponsor?

 IJW wrote:
From very small S2 to slightly taller than S2?

The original comparison pic makes him look huge - S3 at least. Next to modern minis though he looks closer to S2.

 Alpharius wrote:
Are you telling me what I should talk about in the thread I started to pseudo-complain about Infinity?!?

The nerve!

Anyway, that link isn't working...

Telling? Naw, a hint to the wise is usually sufficient. Helps if the hint works though Here, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648702.page , this ought to work. Apparently that previous link embedded with a comma at the end

I assumed that you started this thread as click bait, to keep us from treating the N&R thread as a chat-box.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 IJW wrote:
From very small S2 to slightly taller than S2?

The original comparison pic makes him look huge - S3 at least. Next to modern minis though he looks closer to S2.

The original pic was compared to the old Achilles, who was a midget when he was released. The model now is S2. The old model was only by way of having it on its stat line.

Definitely think the new Achilles matches his stat line better. As someone who regularly got smacked around the chops by that little size TAG it always seemed a bit out of place.

The new one won't seem to be as contrary to the laws of physics