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It's a minaitures game, not a board game, what does the size of the paper mat really matter ?

I'll be playing on a table with 3D terrain, and I'll likely never use the included mat, n o matter what size it is.

It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

 adamsouza wrote:
It's a minaitures game, not a board game, what does the size of the paper mat really matter ?

I'll be playing on a table with 3D terrain, and I'll likely never use the included mat, n o matter what size it is.

If it wants to be a mass market product, it's not going to be a standard miniatures game (and neither you nor I are the core audience it wants to reach).

privateer4hire wrote:
It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

Nope, it will be in inches with free movement.

That and the support package that Mantic will not have when the game finally comes to fruition.

That's the worst critique I have about them. they come up with a great game, spend a gak ton on pimping the KS, then it comes out, and .... nada.

 Grot 6 wrote:
That and the support package that Mantic will not have when the game finally comes to fruition.

That's the worst critique I have about them. they come up with a great game, spend a gak ton on pimping the KS, then it comes out, and .... nada.

By support package, does that mean expansions?


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

Nope, it will be in inches with free movement.

Hmmm. I figured they were going for more of a board game option.

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 Nostromodamus wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

Nope, it will be in inches with free movement.

Hmmm. I figured they were going for more of a board game option.

You would think that would make more sense for a mass-market game designed to appeal to TWD fans that might not necessarily be tabletop gamers, but they've decided to go for the skirmsh wargame approach instead.

there are already walking dead boardgames based of the tv show and comic

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/99079/walking-dead-board-game

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/99120/walking-dead-board-game

so that licence may not have been available (if there was any degree of exclusivity), or even if it was there would be brand confusion (and neither game is that well regarded)

Though DeadZone/Mars Attacks are "miniature games" that use the more "boardgame/entry-level friendly" mechanic of big squares.

They could use something similar as the basic rules, and then have inches, etc for the advanced rules. FFG have done vaguely similar things with Imperial Assault in terms of "Boardgame/Wargame" rules in the box. I mean, they're obviously going to do whatever they want, I hardly expect them to take any notice of what I think here, nor will our speculation here have any effect, but it's certainly a head-scratcher...

Orlando may have the right of it, might be that it's due to there already being a boardgames.

Personally I'm glad they've taken the miniature game and free movement route, aside from the commercial considerations

Casual Gamers who buy a Walking Dead game because it's a Walking Dead game aren't going to care, or research, if it uses squares or inches for movement before buying it.

War Gamers will obsess over little details like that.

They won't, but they're more likely to play it and tell their friends, etc if it's simpler. ergo, squares.

Good point, Orlando.

Palladium's somehow calling their KS'ed project a *roleplaying* game (Robotech RPG Tactics), since they evidently don't have the rights for a miniatures game. Rights can be messy and if Mantic needs to distance their game from boardgames by not using squares and the game's just as good or better, that's fine with me!

Random thought, but the licence may force them to not go squares. After all the difference between a board game with expansions and a war game is somewhat dancing on the head of a pin as it is, another company has the "board game" licence so there has to be some sort of differential outside of whether it says "board game" or "miniatures game" on the box.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

Nope, it will be in inches with free movement.

Uses range templates similar to x wing , think there was 3 - sneak , walk , run. Can break up movement ( don't have to move in straight line for whole movement .

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
It isn't going to play ala Deadzone/Mars Attacks with marked off spaces?

Nope, it will be in inches with free movement.

Uses range templates similar to x wing , think there was 3 - sneak , walk , run. Can break up movement ( don't have to move in straight line for whole movement .

Ah yes, you're right, my mistake.

X-Wing or SAGA-style range templates for movement is a good design move - about the best that they can hope for that straddles the two types of game while potentially being palatable for mainstream purchase. Much better than inches, centimetres or a tape measure for the mainstream (or BGG) market.

Anything like the X-Wing templates is good. I definitely appreciate the streamlining they give to freeform movement.

Agreed - the templates used in both X-Wing and SAGA work very well!

Remove a lot of the ambiguity and I definitely think help for people who haven't wargamed before.

 Pacific wrote:
Agreed - the templates used in both X-Wing and SAGA work very well!

Remove a lot of the ambiguity and I definitely think help for people who haven't wargamed before.

I wonder if they will colour the plastics like zombicide? That might also be an advantage to first time players who aren't interested in painting yet.

The Walking Dead: All Out War miniatures are designed to be painted

With this mind each plastic figure is a single-piece sculpt. That means that you do not have to assemble any miniatures, they are ready to use right out of the box.



All of the figures are supplied in grey plastic, which really shows off the detail in each sculpt.

Koral needs to learn to keep his finger off the trigger and to wear a holster oriented correctly (it is set up for a left handed shooter).

Single-piece figures, I suppose that includes the walkers? I am okay with the human characters being single-piece, but it would have been nice to add some variety with the poses of walkers. But, with the plethora of zombie figures out there having a diverse horde won't be a problem.

@CptJake what you say makes sense, but would the child inherently know these things?

Is that an ammo belt for shotguns or just some kind of loopy tactical belt with a lot of loops for stuff? Doesn't look like a normal belt.

 GrimDork wrote:
@CptJake what you say makes sense, but would the child inherently know these things?

Is that an ammo belt for shotguns or just some kind of loopy tactical belt with a lot of loops for stuff? Doesn't look like a normal belt.

His dad is a cop, daddy would teach him.

I 'think' the loops on the belt are very oversized/exaggerated loops you would put bullets into like on a typical old west gunslinger belt.



Then again, maybe he is wearing a left hand holster on a shotgun bandolier belt...

Maybe the Mantic reps can let us know.

Edit: Seems the holster is screwed up as in the comic.



and the loops are supposed to be bullet sized.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm disappointed that it sounds like generic character creation is pretty much an afterthought, and the game is geared towards playing as named characters. I would be much more interested in having my own band of survivors. Not very interested in, for example, having Rick get killed every other game. Possibly by another Rick.

maybe sent by the council of ricks?

 CptJake wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
@CptJake what you say makes sense, but would the child inherently know these things?

Is that an ammo belt for shotguns or just some kind of loopy tactical belt with a lot of loops for stuff? Doesn't look like a normal belt.

His dad is a cop, daddy would teach him.

I 'think' the loops on the belt are very oversized/exaggerated loops you would put bullets into like on a typical old west gunslinger belt.



Then again, maybe he is wearing a left hand holster on a shotgun bandolier belt...

Maybe the Mantic reps can let us know.

Edit: Seems the holster is screwed up as in the comic.



and the loops are supposed to be bullet sized.

Almost Manti- er comic. Almost.

Great. "Highly collectible" single character packs.

Wonder how much of a TWD fan I *really* am...

HMm. Now all they need is pack-exclusive upgrade cards (items, skills?) in each single. When the meta develops, you'll fine all kinds of reasons to need to get the 1-handed Rick pack because even though you like to run the Governor, Rick's 'expansion' comes with a unique leader ability that makes the Governor highly effective.

Then, and only then, will they be on the same level as FFG.

=/

Hopefully not though, really.

ced1106 wrote:
Great. "Highly collectible" single character packs.

Wonder how much of a TWD fan I *really* am...

Hearing things like that make me glad I've not gotten around to watching the series or reading the comics yet.