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 GrimDork wrote:
I'm not sure why we're all talking about the TMNT kickstarter here and on the KS page... I mean they're completely different genres and types of games?

They're the same genre of Kickstarter and targeting the same genre of customer, seems pretty relevant.

I suppose. Though the other one seems a lot more geared to boardgames (and therefore will probably do better), which I guess was my thought. Also zombies =/= cartoon turtles but sure, they both have miniatures and are kickstarters.

Zombies=Foot Clan Ninjas, they show up like a bad rash and ruin the day, but your survivors/turtles must punch them in the face/head to defeat/kill them. So basically the same thing . Shredder=Abombination.

 GrimDork wrote:

The value *is* creeping up, and I think if we hit 500k+ the base pledge will really have a solid value by the end. Just not sure if the extras are enough to justify me tying the money up ahead of time.

The kicker at that point becomes the postage on this one, and possibly even wave postage. Plus the need to trust Mantic to get it right.

 Azazelx wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:

The value *is* creeping up, and I think if we hit 500k+ the base pledge will really have a solid value by the end. Just not sure if the extras are enough to justify me tying the money up ahead of time.

The kicker at that point becomes the postage on this one, and possibly even wave postage. Plus the need to trust Mantic to get it right.

Warpath postage is being reported as unexpectedly high by many people. Seen some folks in the US reporting $75-$100 shipping.

Are they having it shipped to Nome, Alaska by the bravest sled dog ever? How much did they pledge for?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they having it shipped to Nome, Alaska by the bravest sled dog ever? How much did they pledge for?

I believe it was to middle America, Ultimate Tyrant but before add-ons.

So a decent amount of stuff, but nowhere remote.

Are they still offering refunds for WP? I might have to pull the pin as their AU postage is never friendly once I go through the PM. I can always get the Not-IG at retail with free shipping in a year's time, if I still care.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are they having it shipped to Nome, Alaska by the bravest sled dog ever? How much did they pledge for?

I believe it was to middle America, Ultimate Tyrant but before add-ons.

So a decent amount of stuff, but nowhere remote.

International DHL/UPS can get that high; they're obviously not taking advantage of flat-rate shipping or shipping out of a US-based warehouse (which I thought they were doing at some point?). Yeah, even more reason not to back a Mantic KS when I can just buy in bulk, at deep discount later from Miniature Market and enjoy flat-rate shipping or free if I buy $100 in stuff.

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The sad thing is that people might pay for courier shipping and have their package in the US still delivered by USPS.

I think in that case 'courier shipping' is getting it through customs quicker and the the USPS then takes it to point of delivery.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I thought it was humurous.

Will Blaine appear?
Blaine, the inter-dimensional traveller renowned for appearing in Mantic Kickstarter campaigns, will not be making an appearance in The Walking Dead: All Out War miniatures game Kickstarter for obvious licensing reasons!

I can almost guarentee we'll see a Blaine custom card, using a Dreadbal/Deadzone figure.

How about a Zombie-notBlaine?

Early on in the campaign the number of people demanding Blaine was crazily and they wouldn't accept he wasn't going to appear.

People have also been requesting characters from movies / tv shows. None of these people actually seem to want any characters from the comics at all.

Aeneades wrote:
Early on in the campaign the number of people demanding Blaine was crazily and they wouldn't accept he wasn't going to appear.

People have also been requesting characters from movies / tv shows. None of these people actually seem to want any characters from the comics at all.

They appear to be confused and think this is a Zombicide KS since they do that kind of stuff.

It's almost as if the comics are a far less valuable license.

I liked that people were suggested that they release a leather wearing biker with a crossbow who happens to look like Norman Reedus but just call him Derryl instead along with a one handed man who looks like Michael Rooker but called Merryl instead.

It is conceptually strange though, because I understand that the TV programme isn't loosely based on the comic - it follows the same plotline and shares the majority of the same characters, right?

As someone who has neither read the comic, or watched this on TV, only played the Telltale series, I can appreciate that the models don't look like much of anything to a non-fan. They are a collection of realistic (although stylised) people with weapons. As a result, a $20 000 stretch goal to unlock "woman with Katana" or "zombie in police uniform" fails to excite in the way that Mars Attacks did with Giant Mutated Scorpions or Flying Saucers.

I will say that the rules introduced in the Atlanta expansion do sound interesting - now you're not just managing terrain and zombies, but fire interacting with the terrain and zombies. I'm really interested to see how the skirmishes feel, because if they make them short yet detailed and tactically interesting, I feel Mantic will have cracked something important to me.

One of the more popular (if not most popular) characters from the tv show have never featured in the comics so people are trying to find ways to persuade Mantic to include him (and his brother) disputed not having the licence.

Talking about the Telltale game, Mantic did say that it may be possible to include characters from the Telltale game within All Out War if the Kickstarter was a big success. Hopefully they can still come to some agreement for those characters in the future.

The Saviors/Negan Expansion will help boost sales, I guess, but - and yes, 250K is nothing to sneeze at! - I'm still surprised at how slow, relatively speaking, this one is moving.

Sounds like the first expansion addon will appear today (they had a meeting with Skybound this evening and just working on the graphic now).

It would be sad if they are already moving to paid for add ons this early.

 Alpharius wrote:
The Saviors/Negan Expansion will help boost sales, I guess, but - and yes, 250K is nothing to sneeze at! - I'm still surprised at how slow, relatively speaking, this one is moving.

are you actually surprised? Or are you "surprised?"

I think jumping to six figures early one with a watered down license in a saturated market when you have a tepid reputation for delivering product is the surprising part.

Yes, I was actually surprised to see it jump up so quickly at the beginning, but I suspect that was just people snapping up early birds they may or may not even really want, just to have them.

I'm not surprised at the speed it's moving,

but I am surprised to see the add ons starting so soon as Ronnie kept saying they'd only show up if it did really, really well (so I was expecting $500K +)

Aeneades wrote:
Early on in the campaign the number of people demanding Blaine was crazily and they wouldn't accept he wasn't going to appear.
People have also been requesting characters from movies / tv shows. None of these people actually seem to want any characters from the comics at all.

People are clearly very used to Zombicide's take on this sort of thing. Also, Blaine appearing in everything Mantic does.


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 CptJake wrote:
It would be sad if they are already moving to paid for add ons this early.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm not surprised at the speed it's moving,
but I am surprised to see the add ons starting so soon as Ronnie kept saying they'd only show up if it did really, really well (so I was expecting $500K +)

Didn't they make a big song and dance about how there would be only one level and no add-ons since they still can't manage to pack a fething box properly? Either way, while this KS has made a respectable amount of coin, it's dead in the water and is clearly performing way under expectations. Remember ScarletSquig's (multi-?)million dollar predictions? I'm sure he got that from the excitement at Mantic when it turns out that the Zombie genre is indeed saturated, and the enthusiasm at the time.

But since it's stagnating now, they still have 2k backers - which is nothing to sneeze at, so it makes sense if they're now going to release the add-ons and attempt to monetise them as much as possible in an attempt to get the campaign moving again. Of course this can lead to significantly increased shipping costs, and Mantic Packing (tm) which could burn them when all these new Mantic-virgin backers get burned down the line...

I don't think it's the fact that the Z market is saturated, it's like Lovecrafts Cthulhu, no matter how much there is it will sell. I attribute it more to the 'value' of the box contents from the start and people just about had enough of Mantics shoddy packing, QC and customer service.

It's a bit of both, I think. Certainly a significant number of people on our end of the purchase spectrum feel burned enough by Mantic at this stage. But as I said. 2k backers is a healthy number, though obviously they were expecting a hell of a lot more.

 Azazelx wrote:


Didn't they make a big song and dance about how there would be only one level and no add-ons since they still can't manage to pack a fething box properly? Either way, while this KS has made a respectable amount of coin, it's dead in the water and is clearly performing way under expectations. Remember ScarletSquig's (multi-?)million dollar predictions? I'm sure he got that from the excitement at Mantic when it turns out that the Zombie genre is indeed saturated, and the enthusiasm at the time.

Wasn't quite aware of it being comic license only at the time, TV show license would have been a much easier sell.

Also, the mini count on this one is taking a while to ramp up, think it'll be a slow burn that ends up with lots of stuff being thrown in, the 6 extra barricades and 6 extra walkers as the next 2 stretch goals are a sign of Mantic starting to ramp up the mini count. Hoping they have plans for cars, RV, tents + campfire too, there's a lot of potential for solid upgrades to the overall quality of the game, which is just as important as the mini count.

I do think this one could still hit $1 mil, it just needs to attract more backers, although most people only look once at a kickstarter, which is where this one has fallen down by waiting too long. A $50 pledge level with the base set and Ks exclusives only would have been good too, $125 is a meaty sum. Dungeon Saga was packed with stuff for $100 right from the start, anything over $100 makes people think very carefully about whether to back or not.

The rules for this game are really great, they need to get them out there soon (day 1 of the KS would have been ideal). There's a lot of smaller companies doing Kickstarter better currently, because they really need to or they won't fund, there's only a few like Mantic that can roll with arbitrary $25k for 1 mini goals, and even then I'm not sure if they can still do that without sacrificing some of the early campaign speed. There isn't as much of a buzz around this one, all the facebook posts I saw about it were on launch day with lots of people commenting "20-odd minis and paper terrain for $125, too expensive, pass".. those people will not look at it twice.

The stretch goal gap has gone down to $15k now, I wouldn't be surprised if it went down to $10k mid-campaign.

They said no 3D RV.

For those who haven't looked at the most recent update here are the next stretch goals -





Those 6 extra Walkers are all unique sculpts and one of those cards if a Compound Bow for all the Daryl fans.

Now, the addon -



That's the base game and expansion maps in a better material (I would presume mouse mat but it is never specifically stated). Until today Mantic have been saying that these mats would only be available at retail as the postage costs makes them really uneconomical for backers but commenters were demanding them so here they are.

It sounds like the first proper addon expansion is coming next week and will be based around Hershel’s farm.


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They have now tidied up the pledge level graphic to make it a lot clearer -



I wish they would blank out the design of the Atlanta map in the Atlanta expansion though as it shows it as a copy of the base game map.