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So we've all groan and griped about prices, broken rules and whatnot.

Now I ask you, Dakka, what would be the cheesiest build you can think of? And I'm talking about the neckbeardiest, four cheese cheddar special that would make italy and france's collection of cheese look like the walmart sandwich spread.

Money is no issue. There is no restrictions. You want to bring Unbound? Go ahead. You want Forge World? Bring it. Need something that still somehow doesn't have models and require hundreds of dollars of conversions? Here's a swiss bank account with a platinum card.

The only restriction is that it has to be 2000 points and consist of more than one model. Yes, only more than one. Feel free to bring a Reaver and a Warhound if you feel that is the cheesiest.

Oh yeah, back up your claims with mathhammer. Because this post has to have some educational value.

Don't have it on hand, but I think it was like 5 WKs and a couple Seers on bikes for maximum cheese at 2k.

My 2500+ point unbound list has five chapter-masters, and two librarians in it...
Three of my chapter masters come from respective successor chapters of the ultramarines, dark-angels and the black-templars.
For each one I gave them all the relics I could from each codex, which means that my HQ alone hits over 1500 easily...
Each of my librarians has a chapter-relic, terminator-armor and is mastery-level 2...
I then have two terminator-squads (full complements); a vanguard veteran squad (5 man), and a dreadnought (which I still lack legs for)...

Most of my opponents are like when the shooting phase starts... three orbital-bombardments; numerous physic-powers, and several tons of bolter-fire!

I remember I used to use two of my chapter-masters as inquisitors when the pre grey-knight codex still was legal, as it allowed me to use the "lance-strike" ability.

I lack speed and safe-transport though, as my only rhino is used by my tactical squad to capture objectives.... and the only other means which is fast is via the warp...
(because "nothing" could go wrong there AT ALL....)

 jreilly89 wrote:
Don't have it on hand, but I think it was like 5 WKs and a couple Seers on bikes for maximum cheese at 2k.

that...

It's 6 Wraithknights and 2 Bikeseers at 2K even.

Unbound is too easy.
I'd consider Eldar with jetbikes and wraithknight, or Necron Decurion with wraiths and whatnot.


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Unbound is too easy.
I'd consider Eldar with jetbikes and wraithknight, or Necron Decurion with wraiths and whatnot.

-1 inquisitor
A maxed out spam of a flier formation that has vector dance

Probably not the cheesiest but it does counter a lot of the current armies.

Enough of those to fit 2000pts:

- Tau Ra'vna Supremacy Suits (one or two)
- Skyhammer Formations (the same)
- A line of IG Earthshaker platforms (75pts each!) with Ignore Cover orders
- Three or four TL Punisher Vultures air support, just for the sake of throwing almost a hundred of dices in shooting phase.

Not the most powerful cheese but still !

Unbound.

Maxed out nude imperial henchmen squads.

Thats ~ 83 squads of pure MSU horror in 1000 points or 154 squads in 1850.
Have fun killling that with your 5 wraith knights

Wraithknight Ghostwalker Squadron (I may be misremembering the name).
- 5 Wraithknights (they all get +5BS, +5WS, +5" movement, +5" charge distance). Two of them get one scatter each and heavy wraithcannons, the other three get swords and boards.

Seer Council
-2 Farseers, 5 Warlocks, all with jetbikes, one Farseer gets the spirit stones.

2000 points.

Not even Unbound. But the WK formation is an Apocalypse Formation, so that could be an issue.

Easy:
16 Heralds of Tzeentch, each with 3 Lesser Gifts, and Mastery Level 3. Comes out to 2000 on the dot.

It's not a good army, but you have 97 pre-game rolls to determine what powers your army has. 48 of them can consist of you taking a minute to painfully ponder over "Hrm...um...do I want an Etherblade for my model?" The other 48 are a case of you painfully deciding what Discipline you want to roll for, and whether you want to swap out for the Primaris Power or not. And finally you get to decide on your Warlord Trait. Of course, you can always conveniently "forget" which Heralds had which powers.

True, the army *could* get you kicked out of a tournament for intentional slow-play, but how can you get kicked out of a tournament if the round is over before the game even started?

Lets just call this what it is........social suicide.

"Hey guys I want to loose as many friends as I can in one game at the shop as humanly possible, how do I do that?"

 namiel wrote:
Lets just call this what it is........social suicide.
"Hey guys I want to loose as many friends as I can in one game at the shop as humanly possible, how do I do that?"

Oh no, when you are with your friends and someone gets that glint in their eye and says "Anyone want to play a game pulling out all the stops, anything is allowed according to the rules?"
The gauntlet is thrown, I MUST be the one to bring the biggest smelliest cheese there is.
Remember that torturing your good friends is funny for all as long as we all agree... which we would since no-one wants to be a "wimp".
Ah, good times.

I'm toying with points but something like this. I call this the friend destroyer.

Commander 2 drones + controller Target Lock
Drone Squad

Crisis Team 1 guy

Crisis Team 1 guy

Crisis Team 1 guy

3 Ghostkeels with ion rakers and burst canons in the Ghostkeel Wing

3 Riptides in a Riptide Wing with Ion Accelerators and Missiles.

2 Stormsurges with Pulse Driver Cannons one with target lock.

It's going to just destroy everything off the field as soon as possible.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Unbound.

Maxed out nude imperial henchmen squads.

Thats ~ 83 squads of pure MSU horror in 1000 points or 154 squads in 1850.
Have fun killling that with your 5 wraith knights

Better; unbound, as many units of Psykers as you can throw in, summoning as many Daemons as possible. All those Warp Charges.

Unbound
Orks
1 Zhardsnark
10 Warbosses on warbikes with PK's
1 Big Mek on warbike with KFF (or MFF?)
2 Painboys on warbikes
=1975, some points to spare

It's not unstoppable, but would be pretty darn annoying.

I was actually expecting something along the lines of "3 Taun'ar suits and Stormsurges" or "Spam the hell out of Wraithknights" but it's surprising to see so many different takes.

Anyone willing to mathhammer all of that?

The problem with a Ta'unar is that it doesn't gain benefits from any formations while the other things can. It has to be taken as part of a CAD. I hope FW allows us to take their units as part of existing formations in the new FW Tau book coming out or make their own formations for them if need be.

I prefer option 1 the most though.

When everything is cheese, nothing is cheese.

 Lucumon wrote:
When everything is cheese, nothing is cheese.

This kind of thinking kills variety and ultimately the game.

2 Tau supremacy suits, 2 wraithknights, and a couple void shield generators upgraded seems pretty ridiculous to me.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Lucumon wrote:
When everything is cheese, nothing is cheese.

This kind of thinking kills variety and ultimately the game.

A year ago I would have disagreed by saying, "I've been playing on and off since 2nd Ed. and here we still are."

Now, with AoS, there seems to be a bit more risk.

 MagicJuggler wrote:
Easy:
16 Heralds of Tzeentch, each with 3 Lesser Gifts, and Mastery Level 3. Comes out to 2000 on the dot.

It's not a good army, but you have 97 pre-game rolls to determine what powers your army has. 48 of them can consist of you taking a minute to painfully ponder over "Hrm...um...do I want an Etherblade for my model?" The other 48 are a case of you painfully deciding what Discipline you want to roll for, and whether you want to swap out for the Primaris Power or not. And finally you get to decide on your Warlord Trait. Of course, you can always conveniently "forget" which Heralds had which powers.

True, the army *could* get you kicked out of a tournament for intentional slow-play, but how can you get kicked out of a tournament if the round is over before the game even started?

This gives 48 warp charges, so summon 4 units and a few more heralds/cursed earth a turn, or get 48xD6 (on average, casting 1 WC with 2 dice x 16) shots of flickering fire (S5 AP5) on up to 24 targets a turn.

 Lucumon wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Lucumon wrote:
When everything is cheese, nothing is cheese.

This kind of thinking kills variety and ultimately the game.

A year ago I would have disagreed by saying, "I've been playing on and off since 2nd Ed. and here we still are."

Now, with AoS, there seems to be a bit more risk.

I dread the day Age of the Imperium is a thing.

I think you can get 330 boys into a 2k Greentide formation?

 Ratius wrote:
I think you can get 330 boys into a 2k Greentide formation?

Cheesy, because it takes so long to move that many models? :-p (just kidding )

 Ratius wrote:
I think you can get 330 boys into a 2k Greentide formation?

I will see this and offer you a completely opposite list:

6 land raiders (of your choosing) split into 2 formations of Spearheads, then 2 more land raiders to fill out the remaining 500 points.

8 metal bawkses of "You no break this"-ness

Unbound

66 heavy quad mortars from R&H?
264 small blast templates at strength 6 AP5 iirc
All T7, 3W, 3+sv

1980 pts

That or 100 laser destroyer rapiers
100 Strength 9, ap1, ordinance

As long as you don't bring a flier

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Lucumon wrote:
When everything is cheese, nothing is cheese.

This kind of thinking kills variety and ultimately the game.

I don't think that's true at all. It's everything not being equally cheesy that's bad.

If you're playing a friendly game there are a lot of tournament style builds that would be considered cheesy:

-necron decurion (+1 to reanimate sucks)
-5 knights
-spamming scatterbikes/wraithknights
-invisible death stars (invisibility itself is pretty cheesy)
-any tyranid list starting with 5 flyrants
-grey knights taking more than 2 nemesis dreadknights (even 2 is sometimes cheesy)
-space marine 'superfriends' where you take thunderwolf runepriests and tons of wolves all into 1 unit and boosting it with chars from other marine armies

Arguably any 'rock/paper/scissors' list since you know you are going to lose terribly, or that your opponent just brought the scissors to your rock and you will crush them.

Thats why take all comers lists are the best for 'fun' play.