Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Could almost see buying into BMG if they make a nice boxed game set. Im not exactly a suicide squad fanatic so it would depend on what else they included. Looks like a neat batch of minis though.

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't think of anything sort of faction overview, but if you've got any specific questions then let me know! The thing to keep in mind is that BMG does a great job of emulating the source material, so any faction plays pretty much how you'd think it should. Penguin brings a load of cash for guns, Joker is entirely unpredictable and 'breaks' a load of rules, Batman beats people to a pulp while the Cops play the mission ect.

Some useful resources:

Crew builder with all the stat cards:
http://bmg-builder.com/batman.html

Wiki that is basically the rulebook, but constantly updated with new Specials and FAQs:
http://www.critskillpeople.com/bmgwiki/

Bunch of good links here:
http://www.critskillpeople.com/starting-batman/

That's fantastic, thank you, and I will take you up on the offer to ask questions

First off, what's the buy in cost like? The models look great, but are quite steep in price. I don't mind paying for them, but would the squad/team in a box be enough to start? Also, what are the peripherals which are needed? Dice, special templates, markers, tokens, and the like?

Are the rules available online as a PDF?

And speifically, how does Scarecrow and the Arkham City Blaine play like? Blaine looks like a monster, and really appeals to me.

Why would they include slipnot and not rick flagg?

Great models though.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't think of anything sort of faction overview, but if you've got any specific questions then let me know! The thing to keep in mind is that BMG does a great job of emulating the source material, so any faction plays pretty much how you'd think it should. Penguin brings a load of cash for guns, Joker is entirely unpredictable and 'breaks' a load of rules, Batman beats people to a pulp while the Cops play the mission ect.

Some useful resources:

Crew builder with all the stat cards:
http://bmg-builder.com/batman.html

Wiki that is basically the rulebook, but constantly updated with new Specials and FAQs:
http://www.critskillpeople.com/bmgwiki/

Bunch of good links here:
http://www.critskillpeople.com/starting-batman/

That's fantastic, thank you, and I will take you up on the offer to ask questions

First off, what's the buy in cost like? The models look great, but are quite steep in price. I don't mind paying for them, but would the squad/team in a box be enough to start? Also, what are the peripherals which are needed? Dice, special templates, markers, tokens, and the like?

Are the rules available online as a PDF?

And speifically, how does Scarecrow and the Arkham City Blaine play like? Blaine looks like a monster, and really appeals to me.

The buy-in cost varies a lot depending on what you want to take, but most of the Starter sets (the 4-model boxes) come with around 150 Points(known as Reputation in BMG) which is more than enough to be getting on with. As a point of comparison, Arkham Knight Batman, Big Bane and Arkham Origins Deathstroke all clock in at around that on their own, whereas the Joker starter comes in a bit lower as his goons are cheaper and not as good, while Bane's crew starter comes closer to 180 as the henchmen are more powerful and thus costly. As a general rule of thumb, though, a starter and a blister for a faction (either some more Henchmen or a Free Agent) will be plenty to start out with. The other thing to keep in mind is that most Free Agents can be used by multiple crews, so someone like Deadshot or Deathstroke is a good investment as you can use them to bulk out other villain teams down the line. Likewise, the Blackgate Prisoners and Arkham Inmates can also be used my most villain crews.

The dice are just standard D6s, you can get away with half a dozen or so but I find having a number equal to each character's Willpower stat speeds things along a bit (rather than allocating them X tokens that allow them to roll X dice, just place those X dice where you would the tokens so they're on hand when you need them. This probably makes no sense until you've read the rules, but will become apparent once you have). There are templates, but as far as I know they match up to 40k small and flamer templates, and the old PDF rulebook does have a printout at the back , if you can't find that let me know and I'll find mine and get you a copy of that page.

The only free rulebook that's up to date is the wiki above, they say they're working on an updated plain text version but I'm not sure if that's going anywhere. The 'Starting Batman' link above does have a link to the previous version and a change summary, and is perfectly playable for learning the ropes.


Scarecrow comes in a few flavours, and I don't play any yet, but the Arkham Knight one (the only one you can take as a Leader and thus run a Scarecrow gang) has some nice control abilities, he's all about shutting down enemy models so his Henchmen are on a more level playing field against heroes or can outright smash henchmen to a pulp. Big Bane is fairly straigtforward, just run him at the thing you want to beat up, use his Titan does to send his stats off the charts, and he should win pretty much any matchup unless the enemy can hit him with some kind of debuff. He brings a nice tactical ability in Scheming, which allows you to withhold one model's choice of actions until you've seen the other player's allocations, the Origins Bane has this but can do it with two models, at the expense of being less dangerous (he's still my favourite version though, mainly for the awesome model). Bane's Henchmen are good with widespread Veteran, which allows them to re-allocate 2 actions when they activate and thus adapt to the situation at hand (most crews apart from Joker are stuck with what they choose in the first place). Bane's guys can also pair an Assault Rifle with Night Vision Goggles, meaning that anything that model can draw Line of Sight to is basically asking to be gunned down!

That's great, thank you. Sounds like big Bane might be the way to go for me to see if I like the game or not. It helps the model in awesome.

I'd suggest starting with Big Bane and either set of Blackgate prisoners, that gives you a 250 (or 247 if you get Blackgate II) list with a good number of bodies to run objectives while Bane breaks stuff, and leaves you 100 points off the 350 that is becoming the standard, room for a nice powerful Free Agent or more Henchmen.

^ Blackgate 2 is generally better, good as Turk (Bg1) is, imo, especially as Bane has access to so very many guns through the mercs.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh, and to follow on from Paradigm's comments on Scarecrow: he's quite finesse, underrated actually and very nasty against swarms. I tend to run Deathstroke as my boss, though, with lots of militia as they're very nasty - the cc brute and assault rifle guys especially. Jury's out for me on AK (jt), a lot of people love his shootiness but for my money I'd rather take Slade (especially with the boost in FlArrow). Bane is certainly easier to run, though.

I've used Turk once, couldn't figure him out. People either batclawed around him or just ran outside of his range.

Next time I play I'm planning on using fisherman dude, going to see whether smokebombing the bat signal works as an idea.

Been having fun running Gotham PD in the BMG here last few weeks. Great game, I like most of the scenario play, and the mechanics cover the kind of skirmish level I want better than Infinity imho (no cheerleaders!).

My complaints would be some of their casts are poor, with weird extra flash in places and small mold defects. Also some of their four pack starts aren't actually legally fieldable. Example would be the Gordon with three Swat members. It's comes in a bit short of 150pts, but all three Swat are packing guns such that you have to be playing a game of over 300pts to be allowed to take them all. You can only legally use one of them at 150pts.

Yeah, I think the Gordon+SWAT set is the main culprit there though. The Poison Ivy set isn't great for standalone starter games either.

To be honest, at the moment, having a 'starter game' for Batman isn't easy.

That'll be fixed hopefully once the Suicide Squad set comes out.

Taking 150 as a good starter size, most crews can do it with 1 Crew Box or equivalent blisters.

Black Mask starter: 150
Shiva (League) stater: 150
Joker starter: 158
Penguin Starter: 143
Scarecrow starter 150
Two-face: 148
Court of Owls new starter: 151
Miller Batman+GCPD Set 1: 150
TV Arrow+Agent Ron from GCPD1: 150
GCPD Loeb starter- Detective: 149

So all those are pretty much balanced against each other. The only outliers are Bane and Wonderland (too high), Ivy and Riddler (too low) and SWAT (too 'expensive'), so I think starting at 150 is easy enough, and can be done with about a £25 budget, so cheaper than a lot of games out there to start up.

I'd still like to see an actual starter at some point, the SS set looks like it'll be a big box, but a smaller set for around £30-35 that has, say, a Batman and a Robin against Joker and 2-3 goons would make a nice, simple introduction to the game. Do the rules like the BTAS ones (simple, cheap models without fancy tricks) and you're sorted!

Confirmed starter contents:

Deadshot
Slipknot
Diablo
Killer Croc
Katana
Captain Boomerang
Harley Quinn
Joker
Panda Man
Eyeball Man
Goat Head Priest
Mr. Grin (White)
Mr. Grin (Black)

Woah, 12 models! Wallet, prepare for impact, this might get pricey! I'd be amazed if it's less than £60! (which to be fair, is still in line with starters for most games and from the looks of it that's basically 2 full crews!)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And a pic! Via ToaTS Facebook

I wonder if they'll be available separately at all, as that Katana will work for the Law Forces, but none of the rest of it is useable by me.

I've not really been following - are we likely to see a SS Batman? Or is there a reason there wasn't a similar B vs S release?

Some form of new movie Batman is a given, I think, but I've no idea when. When BvS came out, I expected to see the armoured Bats (along with new WW and the MoS Superman) in a Justice League set to launch the DC version of the Marvel supers game, but with the likes of Flash and Supergirl coming to BMG, I wonder if we'll see that at all or if we'll just get the more powerful characters in BMG (maybe in the new Legends slots they created for the Batmobile?)...

Personally, I do think we need a seperate Supers game as while some stuff (speed, flight, healing, strength) can work in BMG, I can't see stuff like Superman's range of powers or Green Lantern's constructs fitting within the framework of this game.

But yeah, a new Batman is definitely coming, I reckon... I mean, it's been at least 3 months since they released one!

inmygravenimage wrote:Confirmed starter contents:

Deadshot
Slipknot
Diablo
Killer Croc
Katana
Captain Boomerang
Harley Quinn
Joker
Panda Man
Eyeball Man
Goat Head Priest
Mr. Grin (White)
Mr. Grin (Black)

Paradigm wrote:Woah, 12 models! Wallet, prepare for impact, this might get pricey! I'd be amazed if it's less than £60! (which to be fair, is still in line with starters for most games and from the looks of it that's basically 2 full crews!)

Isn't that...13 models?

Counting can be hard when you've only had one cup of tea that morning!

I wasn't trying to be funny there - I was just wondering if it really was 13 or 12 models in the proposed starter set!

Yeah, that list is right then. 6 for the Squad, 6 for Joker, and Harley who goes both ways.

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, that list is right then. 6 for the Squad, 6 for Joker, and Harley who goes both ways.

Yeah she does

Are Henchmen limited to the Affiliation that their card states? If so, it's a little disappointing that Black Mask's minions are Joker only, being that they're all False Facers...

Yeah, the Affiliate on cards dictates who can take what, if it lists Unknown then they can be taken with anyone they don't have the 'Hates' trait for.

Interesting to see two lefty gunmen. Although, I hate that the ammo feed on the warthog is on the wrong side.

13 models is going to be pricey. We still need to see if there's going to be a small rulebook or some terrain or some counters or anything else.

They did say on Facebook that there's more to the set. They didn't say what exactly, but there's more.

Terrain maybe? Some objective markers? Rule book?

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, the Affiliate on cards dictates who can take what, if it lists Unknown then they can be taken with anyone they don't have the 'Hates' trait for.

LAME!

Alright thanks!

Still a pretty solid buy here tho, should be fun.

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Confirmed starter contents:

Deadshot
Slipknot
Diablo
Killer Croc
Katana
Captain Boomerang
Harley Quinn
Joker
Panda Man
Eyeball Man
Goat Head Priest
Mr. Grin (White)
Mr. Grin (Black)

I really don't need a new game or models but this is mighty tempting

 AduroT wrote:
Been having fun running Gotham PD in the BMG here last few weeks. Great game, I like most of the scenario play, and the mechanics cover the kind of skirmish level I want better than Infinity imho (no cheerleaders!).

My complaints would be some of their casts are poor, with weird extra flash in places and small mold defects. Also some of their four pack starts aren't actually legally fieldable. Example would be the Gordon with three Swat members. It's comes in a bit short of 150pts, but all three Swat are packing guns such that you have to be playing a game of over 300pts to be allowed to take them all. You can only legally use one of them at 150pts.

Stuff like this is what makes me wonder just how much discussion there is between Corvus Belli and Knight Models designers. CB has a similar issue with starter packs(the upcoming Aconticemento Shock Army pack is waaaay over its SWC to points bracket, the USARF starter box and army box are both pathetically small) to what you're describing.

Box Set shown!

No price yet..

That does indeed look mighty mighty tempting!