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 CptJake wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Kind of disappointing. Hopefully there's a way to get the new format for everyone.

Don't they typically have cards available as free PDFs?

Yes. I'm just concerned they won't redo the old cards in the new format for existing models if the rules on those models aren't changing.


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Also, really excited to see Nightwing. Hopefully he'll be a multiverse model so we can finally get him in the DC game as well.

Anyone seen photos of the new models against the old for size yet?

sadly Knight Models have gone a little wacky.
they are now stating that members of the fan group "The Dead Pool" are racist and used the terror attacks in Barcelona as a reason for the recent mass banning.
I kid you not.
A fan group being lumped in with a terror attack that murdered several people is kinda like a fan group having discussions about a game of toy soldiers.

What? Where was that posted?

Are "Knight Models" saying that, or are Arkham City Limits saying that?

 Compel wrote:
Are "Knight Models" saying that, or are Arkham City Limits saying that?

it was a message from "Bruno" their community Manager. to the Creator of "The Dead Pool" on why he and a few others were banned from ACL.

What about those of us who were never a part of Deadpool but got banned?

Well, that sucks.

All I can suggest then, is sending an email to knight, calmly explaining what happened, that you're disappointed in their decision and choices and, ultimately, highlighting the fact that this has given you a negative disposition to their products and, ultimately, their choice, which they are one hundred percent completely and totally free to make, will, ultimately, in some small way, influence their income as, you'll be less inclined to buy their products and that the people you talk to, may also be less inclined to buy their products.

If you've done that, then that's basically the end of it and it's down to you to get on with your life.


At the end of the day, a company, be it Knight Models, Games Workshop, Bioware or whoever doesn't owe you anything (unless they're not acting in accordance with the law). Your only, only influence you really have over them is your wallet. And that's to say, "if you do X, I'll buy something. If you do Y, I won't buy something. And I may tell my friends the reasons why." That's the only influence you have. If the company then decides, "fine, whatever, we don't need you and your friends money." That's the end of the story.

Popcorn!


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tpryan01 wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Are "Knight Models" saying that, or are Arkham City Limits saying that?

it was a message from "Bruno" their community Manager. to the Creator of "The Dead Pool" on why he and a few others were banned from ACL.

Hold on, is it a mass banning or a few? There's a big difference.

tpryan01 wrote:
sadly Knight Models have gone a little wacky.
they are now stating that members of the fan group "The Dead Pool" are racist and used the terror attacks in Barcelona as a reason for the recent mass banning.
I kid you not.
A fan group being lumped in with a terror attack that murdered several people is kinda like a fan group having discussions about a game of toy soldiers.

That's entirely untrue, and I don't think the drama needs to be spread even further than it already has. I've read that supposed message and all Bruno is saying is that members of that group have made racist comments (spoilers, they have and constantly remind people of it with the Ghetto Deadshot remark) and that in the political climate following the Barcelona attacks (in Spain, where KM are based so close to home) they can't tolerate it on their official platform.

As for mass banning, it's been a small contingent from the Dead Pool group who have been banned, and I'd hazard a guess in saying that they've been banned for starting a ridiculous witch hunt on Knight Models and their associates, probably at some attempt of a power grab in ACL. As I've already said, this isn't a matter to spread on Dakka (as it's one Facebook group leading a hunt on another and thus irrelevant here) just as it's something that shouldn't be spreading around Facebook. It's toxic to the growth of a community, and does nothing but divide people (and the divide isn't between people who support the supposed injustices and those who don't, it's between those who keep ramming it down our throats and those who want to move on and provide something constructive)

FunAgain Games has a sale right now, including Knight models.

 Rygnan wrote:

tpryan01 wrote:
sadly Knight Models have gone a little wacky.
they are now stating that members of the fan group "The Dead Pool" are racist and used the terror attacks in Barcelona as a reason for the recent mass banning.
I kid you not.
A fan group being lumped in with a terror attack that murdered several people is kinda like a fan group having discussions about a game of toy soldiers.

That's entirely untrue, and I don't think the drama needs to be spread even further than it already has. I've read that supposed message and all Bruno is saying is that members of that group have made racist comments (spoilers, they have and constantly remind people of it with the Ghetto Deadshot remark) and that in the political climate following the Barcelona attacks (in Spain, where KM are based so close to home) they can't tolerate it on their official platform.

As for mass banning, it's been a small contingent from the Dead Pool group who have been banned, and I'd hazard a guess in saying that they've been banned for starting a ridiculous witch hunt on Knight Models and their associates, probably at some attempt of a power grab in ACL. As I've already said, this isn't a matter to spread on Dakka (as it's one Facebook group leading a hunt on another and thus irrelevant here) just as it's something that shouldn't be spreading around Facebook. It's toxic to the growth of a community, and does nothing but divide people (and the divide isn't between people who support the supposed injustices and those who don't, it's between those who keep ramming it down our throats and those who want to move on and provide something constructive)

I was never a member of the Deadpool group. Didn't even know it existed and I was banned, so it's more than just that. Plus there's the additional fun stuff of the ACL admin's side accounts winning prizes for contests he runs on ACL. Where Should one discusss it, given that you can't discuss it at the source what with anyone who tried getting banned?

To move away from the facebook drama, why hasn't anyone posted these?







Can't wait to see what the Bane crew looks like.

Those ranks are killing me. And they're going to be on smaller cards.

Why is no one posting the pics? I can only speak for myself, and I can say that I am done supporting KM. I'll update the title here, I'll make comments in the thread, but I can't find myself encouraging their business anymore.

I have tried to communicate with the KM staff (as a consumer, as an ACL admin at one point, as their own Sidekick). I have messaged and emailed repeatedly suggestions and concerns. I have advocated for their business. And I have not only been ignored, but now targeted.

So, yes, my only recourse now is to vote with my wallet; No KM products for me. And to speak about my concerns with my "friends," which includes you readers of this thread.

Enjoy the models. Enjoy the game. But, I cannot support KM any more.

Nightwing is very Nightwing. I'm surprised he doesn't have any "beginner" abilities though. Still sad there's not more organization in how abilities are presented, but at least they're alphabetical now.

I could post pictures but they're seeming kinda weirdish sizes that end up being a bit much.

Kinda hoping for some more group shots.

Full Bane Crew is up:

Snake Eyes. Definitely Snake Eyes

Which begs the question ; who gets Storm shadow?

 .Mikes. wrote:
Which begs the question ; who gets Storm shadow?

League of Shadows, they're swarming with Stormshadow wannabees

There's a gold tournament card for Stormshadow.

Bane's crew is pretty good, Bane himself is amazing - but I already have titan Bane so I'll be skipping it - new clowns were great, new policemen were forgettable. Hit and miss and so far for me.

All the new stuff in one place:


And rules downloads, rulebook and special rules compendium:
https://www.knightmodels.com/app/download/27018187/BMG+2ND+EDITION+RULEBOOK+English.pdf
https://www.knightmodels.com/app/download/27018200/BMG+2ND+EDITION+COMPENDIUM+English1.0.pdf

Ouch, my Birds of Prey got worked over a little bit. Hawk Girl's flying high is now pretty bleh, and Canary Cry is now limited to once per turn.

But at least Technique got better..

Changes (rulebook)

3 sewers, 3 lampposts.

After entering a sewer, immediately exit from an other and end activation.

Manipulate: 1MC.

Ping 4+

Crouch is +1 def and only against obstacles that provide a ping.

A model that is mind controlled also loses an AC

Maximum of one ping per shot, no matter how many obstacles in the way

Can shoot freely unless model in contact (not within a certain range)

Can't step over KO models

Crouch is +1 def and only against obstacles that provide a ping.

Small obstacles don't obstruct.

No run.


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Oh, new objectives too.

Gotham Sirens and Bane Crew... oh my!

Rest meh!

Umm, so can I use my old card with the new rules?

So they mention Nyssa al Ghul (Arkham Knight) and Chesire in the League of Shadows equipment.

Was there ever a Nyssa (AK) and Chesire model or is that a hint at things to come?

Chairman Aeon wrote:


Umm, so can I use my old card with the new rules?

Yep, all the old stuff still works, the new rules just tweak some Traits and clean up some mechanics. Nothing has been invalidates or replaced.

Rules seem good for the most part, but I'm still pissed they didn't update the rules for Recovery and its interaction with Autorepair/Medic. It was a topic that even got a thread on ACL banned because whoever their rules experts were refused to post rulebook backing for their ruling.

Bane is a beast. And his henchmen, although expensive, are killer.

The Prisoners are all very solid.

New Nightwing and Batman are good but not all that different from what we've had before.

New Crew organization is interesting. Should have some good options for Luthor now.

I'm really disappointed the game isn't more accessible. To figure out how nightwing functions you need fifteen lookups in a forty five page document. That's not even considering the 50+ pages of core rules. That's some serious bloat.