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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 17:34:19
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Regular Dakkanaut
Yukon OK USA
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I have the Town Gate from Tabletop world and many of their other products. I love them. I also have boxes and boxes of Dwarven Forge. I use both.
Tabletop World is coming out with a city wall set and I want to see what they offer before I make up my mind on what to do about the DF castle.
I got into the DF KS1 and KS2 but passed on DF KS3 because of the cost and my perceived opinion of the quality.
I also went into the "not a KS" for the castle by Tabletop Workshop. I received the castle but not the Gatehouse before they went out of business. It's a shame as it was a pretty nice castle.
As for cost of the DF castle, I think it's up to what you can afford and what your wife will let you spend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 18:53:40
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Alpharius wrote:Maybe the price estimates for this KS are just off? I hope? Because at $300 for a tower and $1500 for a castle, yeah, I'd go with Tabletop World stuff first, even with any 'durability' concerns on using resin stuff. Because at the end of the day, I'm not sure how much use a castle would ever see anyway. A tower? Sure! A castle? Not so sure!  I think it's important to understand that some prices were thrown out, but there really are not too much specifics to go along with that. I don't even have any details on what will go into a tower that was priced at $300, but I do know that you can get the Wizards' Tower for $250 from MBA, so the price isn't outside of the market offerings from comparable companies, at all. There's certainly quite a bit of variable needs by gamers and I think that's one of the benefits of a modular system to be able to get a tower if you want, or a wall system or the castle or all, and they can all stand on their own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 19:34:38
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Swamp Troll
San Diego
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I don't agree that it's just "about what you can afford". If I can get 2 towers that are both of acceptable quality and one costs $60 and the other costs $300 then it would be dumb to buy the $300 one for any reason. I'll explain. If both are of acceptable quality then they are both of: A) A standard of design that is desirable B) A quality of material that is what is being sought C) Applicable to the games and activities it's being purchased for. Further.. The options we've already discussed exist now. Those are retail prices. Not Kickstarter prices. There's no wait past shipping and no concerns about what the final will look like since it's already in existence. I would understand the painting thing.. except.. there are a ton of awesome painting services that would take... Let's say.. This http://minimonsters.eu/GuardTower.html $49 tower with a playable interior.. and assemble and paint it for you for probably $30-$50... at what I would assume would be a higher standard than DF.. Saying that since one or two other companies charge ridiculous prices for something is reason for another to do the same simply inflates the prices all across the board. EDIT: For the people looking for the Castle Craft.. this guy has them.. note.. the first ones ARE in fact more for kids.. the better kits are further down. http://www.ebay.com/sch/chief_fly/m.html?item=111673924867&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 20:22:49
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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or (thanks to beast of war for pointing it out) for £14
http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_171050908599_-1
needs a bit of work, but if you need a castle.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 21:06:25
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Jesus, $300 for a tower? That's insane. I'm not sure why the prices arent more in line with the original dungeon kickstarter prices. That and the caverns were great value. With some tweaking, they could have easily made the town/castle similar, but they went with the stupid peg/wall system, and the price skyrocketed, and the piece count went way down. You had windows, curved walls, and large floor pieces in the game tiles 1st kickstarter. I can all but guarantee you will be able to build more, for less, with those than in this one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 21:26:17
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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MLaw wrote:I don't agree that it's just "about what you can afford". If I can get 2 towers that are both of acceptable quality and one costs $60 and the other costs $300 then it would be dumb to buy the $300 one for any reason.
I'll explain.
If both are of acceptable quality then they are both of:
A) A standard of design that is desirable
B) A quality of material that is what is being sought
C) Applicable to the games and activities it's being purchased for.
Ok, so pick two acceptable products and compare them?... those are all the factors you would look at?
I can tell you that what I value in terrain is this:
1. Aesthetics - does it meet a certain look that I am looking for? I've developed my sense of aesthetics over a lot of time and have some very specific things I look for - details, form, scale, clean lines, etc.
2. Modularity - it's actually something I've developed in my own work creating LED pieces and modding existing pieces or creating my own pieces. I like a piece or a group of pieces that go together to have the ability to be configured in various ways. This adds value in re-usability and variety.
3. Durability - what is the piece made of? How fragile is it? How durable is it? Do I have to worry about breaking and how easy is it to fix? How noticeable are chips or breaks?
4. Weight - how much does the stuff weigh? How easy is it to store or move?
5. Storage - this is a huge consideration. There are whole threads about this on forums I frequent. How much space does it take to store? Can you stack the pieces? Do you have to be careful when storing?
6. Setup - how easy is it to set up scenes/scenarios with the terrain?
7. Ready out-of-the-box - does the terrain come pre-painted? Can I unbox and start using it right away? Is the factory paint acceptable quality?
8. Does it meet my gaming needs?
9. Compatibility - is it compatible with other products from other companies?
10. Cost - how much does the product cost, and is there a comparable product at a cheaper price point? If it's expensive, is it something I absolutely need or just want really bad? What is the perceived value of it (higher or lower than the actual value)? How much use will I get out of it?
I guess if you shoehorn anything then you can force a point, but I think it's a more realistic list of factors that I've presented.
MLaw wrote:
Further.. The options we've already discussed exist now. Those are retail prices. Not Kickstarter prices. There's no wait past shipping and no concerns about what the final will look like since it's already in existence.
I would understand the painting thing.. except.. there are a ton of awesome painting services that would take... Let's say..
This http://minimonsters.eu/GuardTower.html $49 tower with a playable interior.. and assemble and paint it for you for probably $30-$50... at what I would assume would be a higher standard than DF..
I think your two points above are entirely valid and I would agree they are important considerations.
MLaw wrote:
Saying that since one or two other companies charge ridiculous prices for something is reason for another to do the same simply inflates the prices all across the board.
This one isn't. Again, saying it is a ridiculous price is a personal opinion. I use MBA as a legitimate comparable high-end product of similar quality, brand recognition, and industry leadership. Unless you could show me that their prices are so inflated vs. their costs that their profit margins are making them inordinately rich then I would say it's a losing argument. The other comparable factor is that the two companies are both from the US. Using the comparison of a Russian-based product that can be only found on ebay - was it? - is stretching it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bossk_Hogg wrote:Jesus, $300 for a tower? That's insane. I'm not sure why the prices arent more in line with the original dungeon kickstarter prices. That and the caverns were great value. With some tweaking, they could have easily made the town/castle similar, but they went with the stupid peg/wall system, and the price skyrocketed, and the piece count went way down. You had windows, curved walls, and large floor pieces in the game tiles 1st kickstarter. I can all but guarantee you will be able to build more, for less, with those than in this one.
Without knowing anything, but seeing a tower is $300 I'd go, "OMG!" as well. Reactionary? Entirely. Critical thinking, be damned ;-)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 22:27:10
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Swamp Troll
San Diego
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The minimonsters Tower I posted is not comparable? I know of many alternatives but posting ALL of them derails this thread. Others had covered some solid bases and I thought I would show an example of the most affordable (an entire castle for $40?) to show the full spectrum. MBA as high end is also a matter of opinion. The Tabletop-World one is what I'd consider high end. Past that is where I start feeling like the things I'm seeing are absurd for the pricing. The notion of high end in and of itself for something as mundane as terrain is a really elitist sentiment as a matter of fact. Who is anyone to pass judgement on how high the quality of the set dressing for my army men or adventurers needs to be? ..or to say what is or is not the golden standard? I've never seen anything from DF that is stylistically high end. Their designs are passable for what they are but if you tell me something is high end or should cost a lot more than the average.. well, I expect to have my socks blown off when I see it. I expect it to be what I think of when someone tells me about terrain. MBA isn't that for me either. It's probably well made but it just looks like a plain jane castle. Woo.. stone walls and stone towers. Unless there are design choices that are awe-inspiring or memorable then no.. IMO you don't get to claim that it's "high end". There's visually no difference. Is it ready made? Pffff.. this is a hobby. McDonalds is "ready made" does that make it high quality? This is the type of polarized discussion I said tends to happen. It's obvious that you simply want to shout down opinions that point out the shortcomings here. It's funny to me.. you just mocked someone for not using critical thinking but your posts are all one-sided soapboxing. EDIT: Since someone brought up GW as high end. Yeah.. they are usually on the pricey side.. that's a given. http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Dreadhold-Fort $290 gets you more than a tower though.. again.. also not a Kickstarter. I am still sad I missed their massive tower for $85 I think it was. Had I realized it was limited run, I would've probably prioritized it differently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/13 23:28:03
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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MLaw wrote:... if you tell me something is high end or should cost a lot more than the average.. well, I expect to have my socks blown off when I see it. I expect it to be what I think of when someone tells me about terrain
I hate it when people reply and just say "this" but ... this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/14 03:39:20
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Shrug.
I lurk daily but rarely post. I’m also pretty much a newbie with modeling/painting/wargaming, so you have two valid reasons to ignore me if you want.
I’ve also invested pretty heavily in all 3 DF Kickstarters to date, and been very happy each time. For me, the DF PVC stuff is a perfect mix of solid heft, decent detail, respectable factory prepaint, and bulletproof durability. Actually, I’m not sure if it’s literally bulletproof, but there *are* videos of pieces being thrown off towers and driven over by trucks.
Here’s my one contribution: when we talk about storage, the DF stuff really is excellent. I plan on going big for this Kickstarter (been saving for six months), and the castle I plan to buy will still break down into boxes of not-outlandish size. For any resin pieces, particularly non-modular ones, a similar sized castle would require huge boxes because each individual piece needs foam on all sides. This stuff can be broken into component pieces and thrown in boxes without any worries or problems. For people living in New York apartments (and, ahem, a toy soldier acquisition disorder), it’s a legitimate concern.
That, plus the modularity, means that it’s also a truly excellent toy to let your kids have fun with. I can only imagine the fun we’re going to have together once our castle pieces arrive in 2017.
Yes, it’s expensive. I mean, this *is* a forum dedicated to adults playing with toy soldiers, so it’s not exactly the first expensive product to appear for consideration. I think it’s worth it, but maybe you don’t. That’s cool. I will admit, though, that we DF fans are concerned that the pool is shrinking. Each subsequent Kickstarter campaign has drawn more money, but done so with fewer backers. This is a trend that can’t continue too long, and of course we’re all hoping that backers will appear in sufficient numbers to allow for the stretch goal goodness we all crave. I’m guessing that’s part of what’s on jchunick’s mind. I suppose he could have mentioned his freelancer-connection to DF earlier in the thread, but he’s not a bad guy. I have a set of his LED light-up braziers from the last Kickstarter and they’re awesome.
Hey, just wait until the campaign launches, or even better, wait until we’re 3/4 done, and see what your money gets you. It’ll be expensive, but if you value modularity and durability, it just might be worth it...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/14 05:56:35
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, TX
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jchunick wrote: MLaw wrote:I don't agree that it's just "about what you can afford". If I can get 2 towers that are both of acceptable quality and one costs $60 and the other costs $300 then it would be dumb to buy the $300 one for any reason.
I'll explain.
If both are of acceptable quality then they are both of:
A) A standard of design that is desirable
B) A quality of material that is what is being sought
C) Applicable to the games and activities it's being purchased for.
Ok, so pick two acceptable products and compare them?... those are all the factors you would look at?
I can tell you that what I value in terrain is this:
1. Aesthetics - does it meet a certain look that I am looking for? I've developed my sense of aesthetics over a lot of time and have some very specific things I look for - details, form, scale, clean lines, etc.
2. Modularity - it's actually something I've developed in my own work creating LED pieces and modding existing pieces or creating my own pieces. I like a piece or a group of pieces that go together to have the ability to be configured in various ways. This adds value in re-usability and variety.
3. Durability - what is the piece made of? How fragile is it? How durable is it? Do I have to worry about breaking and how easy is it to fix? How noticeable are chips or breaks?
4. Weight - how much does the stuff weigh? How easy is it to store or move?
5. Storage - this is a huge consideration. There are whole threads about this on forums I frequent. How much space does it take to store? Can you stack the pieces? Do you have to be careful when storing?
6. Setup - how easy is it to set up scenes/scenarios with the terrain?
7. Ready out-of-the-box - does the terrain come pre-painted? Can I unbox and start using it right away? Is the factory paint acceptable quality?
8. Does it meet my gaming needs?
9. Compatibility - is it compatible with other products from other companies?
10. Cost - how much does the product cost, and is there a comparable product at a cheaper price point? If it's expensive, is it something I absolutely need or just want really bad? What is the perceived value of it (higher or lower than the actual value)? How much use will I get out of it?
I guess if you shoehorn anything then you can force a point, but I think it's a more realistic list of factors that I've presented.
Hell, compare it to the KS 1 and 2 value, and it sounds like a bad deal compared to their existing product. That's MY point. They need to ditch the peg/wall system which grossly inflated the price, and made it excessively fiddly to construct on the fly. You cant realistically use most of the interior of these buildings anyways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/14 08:20:58
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Dwarf Runelord Banging an Anvil
Way on back in the deep caves
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I have to agree that their prices seemed higher per "unit" on KS3 than they did on the first two campaigns, high enough that I almost didn't jump in. But after looking at a few build examples and doing some experimenting on my own I saw the value.
I'm pretty sure that when Stefan said $300 for a tower he meant pretty awesome tower with an interior that would be re-configurable in several ways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/14 19:30:30
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Painting Within the Lines
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People are already comparing and worrying about prices in this thread. We don't know yet what a "$300" tower means, or what you'll be getting for your money, or even if 300 is the minimum buy in...
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iPaint's Workbench - a blog for all of my painting endeavors
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/14 19:39:38
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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From comments on the Reaper forum
there are apparently about 100 unique pieces planned
to 'get everything' is going to cost $1500 or there abouts (presumably to build the castle)
$300 or so will get you a modular tower (direct from Stefan on the dwarven forge forum)
and analysis of the previous DF KS (thanks Carnaki the Ghost Finder) shows a progression from lots of people spending small sums to fewer spending a lot more, and this could continue the trend
DF One
Backers: 5396
Average Pledge Per Backer: $354
Funded: $1,907,790
DF Two
Backers: 3949
Average Pledge Per Backer: $542
Funded: $2,140,836
DF Three
Backers: 2718
Average Pledge Per Backer: $868
Funded: $2,358,900
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/15 01:47:26
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From comments on the Reaper forum
there are apparently about 100 unique pieces planned
to 'get everything' is going to cost $1500 or there abouts (presumably to build the castle)
$300 or so will get you a modular tower (direct from Stefan on the dwarven forge forum)
and analysis of the previous DF KS (thanks Carnaki the Ghost Finder) shows a progression from lots of people spending small sums to fewer spending a lot more, and this could continue the trend
DF One
Backers: 5396
Average Pledge Per Backer: $354
Funded: $1,907,790
DF Two
Backers: 3949
Average Pledge Per Backer: $542
Funded: $2,140,836
DF Three
Backers: 2718
Average Pledge Per Backer: $868
Funded: $2,358,900
Interesting stats indeed!
It is the GW-ification of DF!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/15 02:50:27
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Alpharius wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From comments on the Reaper forum
there are apparently about 100 unique pieces planned
to 'get everything' is going to cost $1500 or there abouts (presumably to build the castle)
$300 or so will get you a modular tower (direct from Stefan on the dwarven forge forum)
and analysis of the previous DF KS (thanks Carnaki the Ghost Finder) shows a progression from lots of people spending small sums to fewer spending a lot more, and this could continue the trend
DF One
Backers: 5396
Average Pledge Per Backer: $354
Funded: $1,907,790
DF Two
Backers: 3949
Average Pledge Per Backer: $542
Funded: $2,140,836
DF Three
Backers: 2718
Average Pledge Per Backer: $868
Funded: $2,358,900
Interesting stats indeed!
It is the GW-ification of DF!!! 
Funny you say that, given the appearance above of the usual "You can't judge it yet! We only have half/two-thirds/almost all/every morsel bar one of the info! Wait until you've owned the product for a few decades and had a chance to truly appreciate it, like a fine wine, before you say anything negative!" defence
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/15 20:12:02
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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New teaser pic. I don't have time to resize it so I'm sticking the giant image in a spoiler tag:
Another snippet from Stefan (from a few months ago): "the gatehouse will be as modular as we can manage it  It will have massive doors, portcullis, and Drawbridge with chains  "
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/15 22:38:10
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 2nd teaser pic
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jchunick wrote:The overwhelming sentiment has more to do with the cost vs. an actual comparison to the other products being mentioned
Tabletop World is amazing stuff. I own some. I covet it and hope to own more in the future. It's made of resin. I've broken pieces. It's not modular. It's not pre-painted. That, right there throws it into the realm of personal opinion vs. fair comparison so the point isn't made or accepted.
Hirst Arts are great building blocks to make bigger builds. I own molds. I continue to buy molds and use them to create new and unique pieces. Most people use plaster-based materials to cast, some use resin. Nobody is using PVC which is what Dwarven Forge is made of. Hirst Arts is labour intensive to create and build stuff. It doesn't come prepainted. It's mostly intended to build something greater than the sum of it's parts, and permanent, like a building. It probably comes the closest to a comparison with Dwarven Forge since you can create modular pieces and cast accessories such as barrels and sacks, and the like. However, the two serve fundamentally different needs.
Castle Craft - never heard of it before. I have toy castles I've bought my son... and that's about that. I won't even bother with this comparison.
Hirst Arts is not all that time consuming - much of the time spent is passive - waiting for the dental stone/Hydro Cal to set.
Time that can easily be spent doing other things, such as painting miniatures.
It is also not that hard to paint - we are talking about 'spray paint and a wash' level of complexity - with a drybrush if you eel like it.
I have been painting dental stone terrain since 1980 - when i used the old Linka system moulds. ( Inexpensive and still around!.)
The price I am seeing quoted for the DF set?
Just plain not worth it.
I can get what I want, customizable and expandable, by other means. And at a good deal lower price.
In short - better and cheaper.
Holding out that the kits are prepainted is not a selling point for me - from my view I not only get to customize the kits using Hirst, I also get to paint it!
For $300 I can buy the molds and the dental stone to make an entire castle, not just a tower.
I am hoping that the price turns out to be wrong - I like Dwarven Forge - but not enough to pay $300 for a single tower.
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/15 22:55:42
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Dakka Veteran
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Nothing will beat their first KS. That was the best KS ever in my opinion. I think as their popularity has increased because the basic tiles are such a good deal and got more people interested, they have been increasing their prices with each following KS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/16 03:19:51
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Dwarf Runelord Banging an Anvil
Way on back in the deep caves
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Well, their pieces are more complex than they were in KS1 or KS2. Probably more expensive to produce too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 05:44:57
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I can't wait to see what they have planned. I haven't been disappointed in there product so far, although I can't aford $1500.00. More than likely I'll buy an add on or two, if they make sense to me, something to fit in with the stuff I already have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 22:26:10
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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snurl wrote:Well, their pieces are more complex than they were in KS1 or KS2. Probably more expensive to produce too.
Yep. More complicated pieces, smaller runs per piece, less amortization per piece for the mold, so higher cost per piece.
DF's KS3 was pretty expensive per piece compared to KS1, so I'm not surprised KS4 will be costly.
Sure wish WizKids would bring back their towers and castle walls! No interior, but prepainted and useful for exterior play.
EDIT: Animesensei posted a link on the DF forums to a gallery of Stephan's other art! : http://bushwickdaily.com/2016/02/dd-at-56-bogart-meet-bushwicks-most-famous-gaming-gallerists/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/17 22:54:28
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Painting Within the Lines
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Here's another teaser: looks like a few different battlements pieces, and a wall piece. Best guess is the corbels will be what holds the floor/battlements to the walls.
~iPaint
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 03:09:45
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: 3rd teaser pic
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Email update:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 04:35:12
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: email update pic
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Stefan has said that the entry point for stretch goals might be around 200-300, which admittedly has this ravenous fanboy of Dwarven Forge a bit nervous. **NOTE: NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO DWARVEN FORGE IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN GIVING THEM SOME MONEY IN THEIR KICKSTARTERS** since apparently we need to disclose that. I remain optimistic, but have long feared that the description of this campaign might price me out of much participation. I was in for 3 unpainted sets in KS1, 2 painted sets and some add ons in KS2, and '2 sets' (effectively) painted plus a bunch of add ons in KS3. It sounds like KS4 could break half a grand Canadian just at the entry point alone (including Shipping and the rough exchange rate). Now, they've also said there'll be add ons for Castles and previous styles, so maybe this one will be where I just snag an add on or three and call it a day. The LED based stuff they produced last time is amazing, I would love to get more neat little bits like that. Also, an aside about the 'stats' for the campaigns, keep in mind that Amazon Payments was gakking itself in the final days of DF KS1, which presumably impacted their funding total. Now, sure, people could (and probably did) fix that in the Pledge Manager, but that 1.9m probably could've been a lot closer to (or over) 2m before the PM at all. Not really an argument about the stats, just noting a little something people might not be aware of. So yeah, I guess we'll find out in 4.5 days, but I'm not optimistic about being able to go in deep on this one. There does seem to be a trend of a smaller number of people pitching in a larger amount of cash as the campaigns go by, so as I've joked in the past, I half expect KS 12 to be funded by like 300 guys/gals pitching in $10,000 apiece. If $200-300 just gets us a single tower, I'd still expect it to be a sizable chunk of pieces. The last one's SG entry point was $165 unpainted, $220 painted, for ~100 pieces. Which, now that I think of it, might be the differential here, rather than a "$300 tower", perhaps that's more of a ~$200 tower (~$300 painted)? Still very spicy/expensive, but if that and a $40-60 wall add on or two gets a decent keep or single castle wall setting going, that might not be the end of days compared to their previous works. Similarly, $1,500 for a modular castle is certainly a ton, but we need more details. Single wall or outer and inner wall? How big is the keep? What kind of foot print are we talking? Stefan builds immense tables with this stuff, his idea of an ideal castle and my idea may be very different. Hell, if that's a full castle, but I only ever really need roughly half of one or less, that could be more manageable. And as long as they keep roughly the same piece footprint, I suspect I'll be able to buff up any such areas with piles of Dungeon tiles and maybe even some Caverns ones (rough hewn lower section of wall, etc).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 05:33:59
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: email update pic
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, TX
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I really feel their target audience shifted from regular DM's that actually use their stuff to run games to a few dudes who make setups just to take pictures (that no one will ever play on). The pieces from KS 3 are overly fiddly, expensive, and the setups look like they are just for the diorama makers because if you actually use the interiors you quickly see how impractical all those levels are from a gaming standpoint in terms of access. When you're running a game, no one wants to wait 10 minutes for the GM to assemble a bunch of walls, place furniture, etc for a room that the party wont be in 10 minutes later. Their whale backers lead them down a path thats just impractical for me unfortunately. :(
Oh well, at least I've got 5 sets from the 1st KS, which is more than I could ever see using.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/06 16:08:53
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles (begins March 6) - Update: email update pic
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Live.
I'll update the first post.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/06 16:43:46
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles - Now live
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Fixture of Dakka
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The first kickstarter was great.. but these prices make GW look like a bargain bin deal (which is pretty impressive).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/06 16:57:12
Subject: Re:Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles - Now live
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, TX
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El-Oh-friggin-El. What a joke. Good thing they unlocked 3 tiny waving flag pieces for your $500 pledge! It looks better than the Russian Castlecraft stuff, but not 10X better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/06 18:32:22
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles - Now live
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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the stuff is sexy no doubt but this KS is a bit outside my price range for what I would use it for
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/06 19:08:12
Subject: Dwarven Forge - KS 4 - Castles - Now live
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Swamp Troll
San Diego
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NOTE: You don't even qualify for free stretch goals and add-ons unless you're in for almost $200... WOW.. what a joke..
I honestly don't even think these look that good. Them having to be modular means they lack the character of a sectional piece like you'd see from Tabletop World or similar. IMO, this looks about like the GW Fortress kit. Also, what's the point of it being modular if all you can really do is make it a bigger or smaller box?
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