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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
If he's 999 pts and Toughness 5 I quit.

Nah he totally has a glass jaw. 99pts and T3

Is it wrong that I expect him to be 999 points, with 9 in all stats and the ability to cast 9 spells a turn?

Perhaps Magnus has no cost, but can only be fielded with a summoning spell that all thousand sons in a certain formation know (formation beeing made of 9 units of 9 sons each )
Or He is summoned by 9 suicide sorcerers.
GW could be creative with sacred numbers

Perhaps he comes in a set formation that has a total cost of 999 points. Kinda like the Eight formation from Farsight Enclaves, only it is Magnus and some Sorcerers, maybe some 1KSons.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
If he's 999 pts and Toughness 5 I quit.

Nah! Don't forget that all of GW's giant monsters, from Carnifexes to Greater Daemons, have the astonishingly high toughness value of 6! Any higher and Marines wouldn't be able to hurt them in HTH combat, and we can't have the game's protagonists being unable to kill the dime'a'dozen antagonists, now can we?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
If he's 999 pts and Toughness 5 I quit.

Nah! Don't forget that all of GW's giant monsters, from Carnifexes to Greater Daemons, have the astonishingly high toughness value of 6! Any higher and Marines wouldn't be able to hurt them in HTH combat, and we can't have the game's protagonists being unable to kill the dime'a'dozen antagonists, now can we?

CSM daemon princes have Toughness 5. Because they're SM Opponent with Training Wheels.

IIRC T7 is immune to lasfire, which seems wrong for flesh and blood monsters. T8 is immune to bolterfire- effectively AV 11 with no damage table- and is usually compounded with an armour/invuln save.

T6 is the upper limit of what small arms can affect and so most MC hover here.
A las shot at BS3 delivers 0.028 wounds to a T5/6, Sv3 creature.
30 guardsmen(150 points) FRF at 12 inches still won't get you the 100 shots you statistically need to turn that into 2.8 wounds.

We are aware.

We're more pointing out GW's fear of making creatures above T6.

 =Angel= wrote:
IIRC T7 is immune to lasfire, which seems wrong for flesh and blood monsters. T8 is immune to bolterfire- effectively AV 11 with no damage table- and is usually compounded with an armour/invuln save.

T6 is the upper limit of what small arms can affect and so most MC hover here.
A las shot at BS3 delivers 0.028 wounds to a T5/6, Sv3 creature.
30 guardsmen(150 points) FRF at 12 inches still won't get you the 100 shots you statistically need to turn that into 2.8 wounds.

Wraithlords and Wraithknights are T8. But I guess that's ok because we all know they're really vehicles.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We are aware.

We're more pointing out GW's fear of making creatures above T6.

Well seeing MC>vechiles and T8 monster being hell of a lot tougher to take down than T6...

Armies as a whole tend to have lot less ability to take down T8+ guys(heaven forbid if they have inv save) than AV13-14 vechiles.

Hey, Talos Pain Engines are T7! And they're DE! Or, should I say, but they are DE...

via adeptus astartes on facebook

no doubt it means nothing, but we can always hope (and at least continual use of them reduces the chance they'll just quietly be let go)

Holy mother of terra...

It can't be true. It just can't be true ! "Look out for them in upcoming publications" ?!
Is it FW or GW ?

Which models are missing? Because those are the ones that for sure are not getting updated right?

...but what does it meanN?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


...but what does it meanN?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

They appear in some form in future WD most likely.

Doesn't neccesarily mean new models. Could just be allied force in battle report.

Guys, guys, you're all forgetting the single most important part about Magnus... He'll be 999pts, with no immunity to Instant Death, AND, he'll be how GW decides to buff 1kSons with new rules!

So now, taking Magnus will give Thousand Sons & all MoT units additional rules X/Y/Z (similar to Chapter Tactics).
However, to keep things good and 'balanced', he'll be 100% required in order to even field Thousand Sons, and once he dies all his bonuses will cease to affect 1kSons/MoT units.

It's like a super fluffy version of those amazing Icon/Mark rules we had in our 4th ed book!

Experiment 626 wrote:
Guys, guys, you're all forgetting the single most important part about Magnus... He'll be 999pts, with no immunity to Instant Death, AND, he'll be how GW decides to buff 1kSons with new rules!

So now, taking Magnus will give Thousand Sons & all MoT units additional rules X/Y/Z (similar to Chapter Tactics).
However, to keep things good and 'balanced', he'll be 100% required in order to even field Thousand Sons, and once he dies all his bonuses will cease to affect 1kSons/MoT units.

It's like a super fluffy version of those amazing Icon/Mark rules we had in our 4th ed book!

No, no, no, when Magnus dies, every single Thousand Sons and MoT unit in the army is sucked into the Warp with him (removed from play).

I'm pretty sure the SoB thing just means they've been taken to be photographed for a book or magazine.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure the SoB thing just means they've been taken to be photographed for a book or magazine.

Hope remains!

Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

I would have to get a second job to pay for all the sisters I want.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure the SoB thing just means they've been taken to be photographed for a book or magazine.

Hope remains!

On your own head be it!

I would be kind of surprised if Magnus wasn't a FGC.

Magnus and his Thousand Sons have long been my favorite legion, so this is all very exciting. Hopefully it isn't just a cruel tease. We've been waiting for plastic models ever since the super fiddly plastic/metal hybrids.

Also, as much as I like Magnus's pre-heresy design, I really hope his daemon form is more interesting than "pre-heresy + wings".

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

If they were getting a model update why would they need to photograph the existing metal studio minis?

 Crazyterran wrote:
I would be kind of surprised if Magnus wasn't a FGC.

Why would he be though? The new 'Thirster kit isn't FGC worthy, and I doubt that DP Magnus will be as big as a Stormsurge or Wraithknight. I also would not be surprised in the least if he keeps T5, since that's what GW has decided is the standard for Daemon Princes.

Besides, do you have any idea the kind of complete gakstorm that would ensue if Chaos got an actual LoW model that would for once be worth it's obnoxious pts cost?!

CSM's is at the point that we're not even an NPC army anymore - we're now more akin to the masses of Bokoblins/Bulblins/Stall Children that the Hero characters slaughter in droves to attain A-ranks in Hyrule Warriors. (or any Warriors game for that matter...)


As with all things Chaos, we've learned too many times to set our expectations at anything beyond steaming poop.

The 6th ed Daemons codex was probably just an accident, and really, if you remove Summoning, (which was purely a 7th ed rulebook boon), you'd instantly drop the power level of Daemons by quite a bit.
The CotW book brought some really awesome new toys, but those formations for the most part are just punishing...

What would've really made the Daemoncurion solidly playable is if we could have had a 'Herald Conclave' as a Command option. I've tried to run a pure Daemonic Incursion detachment with Tzeentch, but I just don't have enough Tzheralds to spread across the force.
It's a bad day when Smurfs are dropping more WC's than Tzeentch Daemons!


I just hope the new models are at the level of what the new Loyalist Marine lines are really, and that for once, we can get new kits that actually come with most/all of that unit's basic codex options!

I don't mind losing every game I play. (I'm really used to it after 15+ years of Chaos!)
But it would be nice for once to have a model line that isn't older than half the local Space Marine player base!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

If they were getting a model update why would they need to photograph the existing metal studio minis?

Indeed. Most likely, they're just going to appear as the hapless victims in some Visions photos or BatRep.


Y'know, like every other time they've been missing from the case.


Y'know, cause GW loves having the majority female faction play the damsel in distress martyrs.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

If they were getting a model update why would they need to photograph the existing metal studio minis?

Indeed. Most likely, they're just going to appear as the hapless victims in some Visions photos or BatRep.


Y'know, like every other time they've been missing from the case.


Y'know, cause GW loves having the majority female faction play the damsel in distress martyrs.

I'm seriously waiting for them to release a new unit that features Sisters chained to their stoves!