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 TedNugent wrote:
Both of those formations are terrible. Keep 'em coming, GW.

At least they realized that Furious Charge on Gorkanauts didn't actually provide any benefit. That's progress. It's asking something to expect GW to read their own rules.

Maybe in 10 yers they will realize why nobody taes cybork bodies anymore...

 TedNugent wrote:
Both of those formations are terrible. Keep 'em coming, GW.

At least they realized that Furious Charge on Gorkanauts didn't actually provide any benefit. That's progress. It's asking something to expect GW to read their own rules.

They didn't read their own rules when they did Daemons for CotW...

Both Slaanesh & Tzeentch have a relic that is either illegal to actually take on the only model that can take it, or else can only work if you take a Lv1 Warlord because they neglected to fix how we generate the God specific powers.

This 80 page softback book is an expanded version of the Waaagh! Ghazghkull codex supplement. It contains content from Red Tide and Hour of the Wolf, including 14 formations, tactical objectives and a new detachment.

A copy of Codex: Orks is required to use this book.

This extra value box set contains the following multi-part plastic kits:

1 Painboy
5 Ork Nobz
11 Ork Boyz (including one Nob)
1 Deff Dread

plus a Datasheet, enabling you to use these models as a formation in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

This extra value box set contains the following multi-part plastic kits:

Warboss Grukk Face-Rippa
5 Ork Nobz

This 80 page softback book is an expanded version of the Farsight Enclaves codex supplement. It contains content from Codex: Tau, Kauyon and Mont'ka, including 12 formations, a detachment and tactical objectives.

A copy of Codex: Tau Empire is required to use this book.

This extra value box set contains the following multi-part plastic kits:

Tau Commander
Ethereal on Hover Drone

This extra value box set contains:

Tau Ethereal on Hover Drone
10 Fire Warriors (can be built as either a Breacher or Strike team), with a DS8 Support Turret
3 XV8 Crisis Battlesuits, with six drones

plus a Datasheet, enabling you to use these models as a formation in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

 TedNugent wrote:
Both of those formations are terrible. Keep 'em coming, GW.

At least they realized that Furious Charge on Gorkanauts didn't actually provide any benefit. That's progress. It's asking something to expect GW to read their own rules.

As stated those are the old formations. So they fixed them up making the gork formation less useless and the Goff formation less restrictive and costly.
What I'm interested in is the decorian formation and the other two new formations. As Orks already have several good formations to build into a decorian in waaagh gazz supplement. Also the fact they made changes to the formations is a good sign as long as they don't nerf the good parts of the supplement such as the lucky stikk, bully boyz, etc. a flexible decorian, with a bike formation, a small change to mob rule, and the ability to choose relics from both the codex and supplement is all I need.

Ideally I want To be able to take ghazskull as a warlord and waaagh every turn in a decorian that includes a bike formation as troops w obj sec and include a bullyboy formation that I can MAN missile in trukks.
This will give me a beatstick warlord with a 2+ invul that can move run charge with rerolls each turn.
Along with a 2+ save blob of fearless MAN in fast trukks that can move run charge all at WS6 with 3-4 str9 ap2 atks.
Along with a bike squad to grab objectives. The lucky stikk on a warboss and sprinkling of painboys or mad doc. That's all we need to make Orks competitve.

I just got emails that told me I can download the updated books for free since I purchased the originals. Pretty nice in my opinion.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I just got emails that told me I can download the updated books for free since I purchased the originals. Pretty nice in my opinion.

Wow, that is unexpected. Very nice of them.

 Grimmor wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I just got emails that told me I can download the updated books for free since I purchased the originals. Pretty nice in my opinion.

Wow, that is unexpected. Very nice of them.

Indeed. Good job, GW.

@Hulk: Can you confirm exactly which formations are in the new version of the book and/or if there are any new rules at all? Does the "crisis suits as troops" rule interact any way with the formations (i.e. making them all obsec)?

 Hulksmash wrote:
I just got emails that told me I can download the updated books for free since I purchased the originals. Pretty nice in my opinion.

Did not see that coming at all. Let us know if you see anything noteworthy. DecuriOrk if it exists.

Correction. I accidentally downloaded the original version. Currently downloading the new one and I'll let you know.

 Wulfmar wrote:

This 80 page softback book is an expanded version of the Waaagh! Ghazghkull codex supplement. It contains content from Red Tide and Hour of the Wolf, including 14 formations, tactical objectives and a new detachment.

A copy of Codex: Orks is required to use this book.

Red Tide...?
Where did you copy and paste this from?
Are the Orks getting some form of new fungal spores?

unless im mistaken and i seriously hope i am, ork dex is just getting the tau treatment of a reprint with formations?

Tau didnt need a new codex because they were already strong, just lacked formations. Ork dex needs a fethload more than formations. It could easily be the most wacky and unusual dex out there too.

I seriously hope our stats get buffed/our invul comes back. Feel like i cant do anything without warbiker blobs or manz missiles these days, and even theyre pretty meh compared to the top tier crap.

Decurion is included. Core is the Goff kill mob and warband formations. Waaagh every turn and if you have more than 10 models when you start a charge you get hammer of wrath.

No more rolling a 10+? Cool. Ghazghul is no longer the worst LoW.

Not bad. What are the orcurion bonuses? Can Ghaz be used instead of a Warboss?

 Cleatus wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:

This 80 page softback book is an expanded version of the Waaagh! Ghazghkull codex supplement. It contains content from Red Tide and Hour of the Wolf, including 14 formations, tactical objectives and a new detachment.

A copy of Codex: Orks is required to use this book.

Red Tide...?
Where did you copy and paste this from?
Are the Orks getting some form of new fungal spores?

It's a referecent to the sanctum reach book, red waaagh (must be typo)....that or it refers to a new type of cloth detergent.

 hordrak wrote:
Not bad. What are the orcurion bonuses? Can Ghaz be used instead of a Warboss?

Bonuses are above. Ghaz can only be taken as part of his command formation.

But buggies/bikes/big guns can all be taken as single aux choices which is nice.

3 dakkajets always firing the bonus shots is nice.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
Not bad. What are the orcurion bonuses? Can Ghaz be used instead of a Warboss?

Bonuses are above. Ghaz can only be taken as part of his command formation.

But buggies/bikes/big guns can all be taken as single aux choices which is nice.

3 dakkajets always firing the bonus shots is nice.

Warband is not new. It's been around since the previous Ork Dex with the exact same bonuses as before.

Hmm. May need to invest in a naut to run it then. Or is a Green Tide an alternate core?

 Fxeni wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
Not bad. What are the orcurion bonuses? Can Ghaz be used instead of a Warboss?

Bonuses are above. Ghaz can only be taken as part of his command formation.

But buggies/bikes/big guns can all be taken as single aux choices which is nice.

3 dakkajets always firing the bonus shots is nice.

Warband is not new. It's been around since the previous Ork Dex with the exact same bonuses as before.

And he's saying that is no longer a bonus just for the Warband.

He replied to someone asking "What are the Orcurion bonuses?". The ability to Waagh! every turn and if you have more than 10 models when you start a charge, you get Hammer of Wrath are the Orcurion bonuses.

 Fxeni wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
Not bad. What are the orcurion bonuses? Can Ghaz be used instead of a Warboss?

Bonuses are above. Ghaz can only be taken as part of his command formation.

But buggies/bikes/big guns can all be taken as single aux choices which is nice.

3 dakkajets always firing the bonus shots is nice.

Warband is not new. It's been around since the previous Ork Dex with the exact same bonuses as before.

Never said it was new. They transferred the warband rules to the entire decurion.

I guess the question really is if ghaz can be taken as part of th decorian and still be your warlord. Which would allow him to call waaagh every turn? Can his command formation be taken within the decorian?

And since bikes buggies and guns are auxiliary what are the other two new formations?

Warband is now a core choice for the decurion .


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gungo wrote:
I guess the question really is if ghaz can be taken as part of th decorian and still be your warlord. Which would allow him to call waaagh every turn? Can his command formation be taken within the decorian?

Ghaz can only be taken in the decurion. With his command formation. Any warlord with the ability to call the Waaagh in the decurion can do so. Whether it is Ghaz or a normal ork warlord you've nominated as the army warlord.

Ghaz better get a redo on his stats/rules or a severe price reduction. 2x that of a Warboss in MA and Stikk, insanely weaker because of no Stikk.

Eh, he gets a permanent 2+ invuln now, so he can put in work.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ghaz better get a redo on his stats/rules or a severe price reduction. 2x that of a Warboss in MA and Stikk, insanely weaker because of no Stikk.

Dude if ghaz is able to be a warlord in the decorian he is bad arse.

2+ invul on every turn except turn 1. And 5+ fnp (reroll with Squigg) and eternal warrior.
All MAN can run and charge in his unit
All Orks are fearless

His council you equip the big Mek and 2 warbosses all with mega armour you can even give one warlord the lucky stikk for a 2+ reroll and 5+fnp with mad doc and the entire unit is ws 6/7. It's a Decent Death Star.

.....

ok admittedly i didnt think of that. Thats kinda ridiculous lol

So if you don't want to play Goffs and/or walkers you're gak out of luck then?

Meh.

Edited: correction - so either you have to run walkers or 6 units of boyz?

New competative list: Goff Core, Ghazghkull's command and bully boys aux. Someone try to fit that in 1850, quick!

Isn't ghazzies command formation the one that requires him to take a pain doc, couple warbosses, etc?

Too bad. Def not worth it....

gungo wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ghaz better get a redo on his stats/rules or a severe price reduction. 2x that of a Warboss in MA and Stikk, insanely weaker because of no Stikk.

Dude if ghaz is able to be a warlord in the decorian he is bad arse.

2+ invul on every turn except turn 1. And 5+ fnp and eternal warrior.
All MAN can run and charge in his unit
All Orks are fearless

Where in ghaz profile does it say orks can be fearless.