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 JimOnMars wrote:
Guys...there are some sneaky things in here.

According to the codex, the Waaaagh caller does not have to be on the table to call it...so take a minimum warboss as warlord, 60 pts, and keep him in reserve. The take a ton of base stormboyz (a few with powerklaws) and assault with them.

Orks now are the kings of turn 1 assault.

It isn't a necron decurion, but it could win games.

Until ITC nerfs it because only marines can have nice things.

 Orock wrote:

Until ITC nerfs it because only Eldar can have nice things.

Fixed that for you. I am with you though, my Orks are staying on the shelf until 8th ed update, or until GW makes WH 40k explode, and then im just gonna rewrite the codex.

gungo wrote:

You're paying 614 points for a tough warlord with a hard hitting melee unit to give your entire army fearless.

The core choice is compulsory, which is either 6 ork boyz, a unit of gretchin, a unit of nobz, a warboss, and a big mek.... (takes breath)

Or, 3 units of boyz, a warboss, a gorkanaut, 2 deff dreads, 1 unit of killa kans, and a unit of nobz.

So add that to the 614. And at that point, that's pretty much your entire army under 1500 points.

 TedNugent wrote:


The core choice is compulsory, which is either 6 ork boyz, a unit of gretchin, a unit of nobz, a warboss, and a big mek.... (takes breath)

Or, 3 units of boyz, a warboss, a gorkanaut, 2 deff dreads, 1 unit of killa kans, and a unit of nobz.

So add that to the 614. And at that point, that's pretty much your entire army under 1500 points.

It is your entire army at 1500, cuz noone is running all of that without upgrades. The worst part is, is that neither of those was my army. The Waaagh-Band (god that name is stupid) is the closest, but i didnt run that many Boyz Mobz, if it was 3 i would totally run it, and just tell the Waagh Council to sod off. The other problem with this, is that i need Mogroks Bossboyz or another CAD to actually get any number of HQs that arent Warbosses.

Not to mention, if you don't take the council, you're stuck with enforced challenges and +2 to mob rule with D3+3 wounds

 TedNugent wrote:
Not to mention, if you don't take the council, you're stuck with enforced challenges and +2 to mob rule with D3+3 wounds

There are no words for the sheer hate i have for those rules, and for challenges in general.

Tried some list using army using army builder. the Ghaz unit is just too expensive as are trukks and power klaws for the core. at 1,850 you will just have ghazz + core or Core + a few other units of you are going trukk boyz.

this is such an insult.

Even if they arent trying to balance the game by NOT giving us insanely OP stuff, how the hell can they justify marketing other armies by how insanely powerful they are while simo advertise orks by their looks alone.

These formations are impossible to run without sacrificing mandatory upgrades. Fething hilariously bad.

Tau, Eldar and SM must be MUCH more profitable to GW than Orks.

Didnt even give us squadronable deffdredds. The one change that was expected to be automatic considering SM dreads are squads, riptides are squads, feth STORMSURGES are squads, but nope Deffdredds must be solo.

Normally i buy the new rules just so i have it and potentially find something. This is not getting my money. I want to play my orks, but its impossible to play them without requiring some insane luck on your side. I've had it. Not selling my orks because thats a stupid move but they are getting crated and stuffed into a closet from now on. Feth you GW, seriously.

 JimOnMars wrote:
Tau, Eldar and SM must be MUCH more profitable to GW than Orks.

All the more reason to give Orks better rules to encourage people to buy and play them. If anything Orks must be good sellers to get shafted so hard because they expect people to buy them anyways.

Honestly I think its 100% intended for Orks to be a weaker army for the more favored ones to roll over. That or whoever does balancing and rules is a moron.

Can I just say, I called that Warband being a Core choice?
Tbf, I said it'd be the *only* Core choice... but hey.

The sad thing is, this is probably worse than what I joked it would be... and that's really depressing as in the joke it was really terrible on purpose.

I'll admit I haven't read all 17 pages of posts, but I saw someone say they were able to update their existing enhanced edition of the ork supplement. Any news on wether the Farsight one has been able to be updated without paying for a new one yet?

 JimOnMars wrote:
Tau, Eldar and SM must be MUCH more profitable to GW than Orks.

Gee i wonder why? It cant have anything to do with the horrible rules can it?

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:


All the more reason to give Orks better rules to encourage people to buy and play them. If anything Orks must be good sellers to get shafted so hard because they expect people to buy them anyways.

Honestly I think its 100% intended for Orks to be a weaker army for the more favored ones to roll over. That or whoever does balancing and rules is a moron.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you think someone does balancing in GW, thats adorable. And apparently Chaos must be selling amazingly considering how bad they are.

 JimOnMars wrote:
Tau, Eldar and SM must be MUCH more profitable to GW than Orks.

You can actually blame the Riptide for the Tau's rapid expansion in popularity as a faction, it's sales, and thus games workshops obsession with us lately. The curse is it means we'll be unlikely to get much more than new battlesuits forever. :(

Welp. There goes my plans to get back into Orks.

 Grimmor wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Tau, Eldar and SM must be MUCH more profitable to GW than Orks.

Gee i wonder why? It cant have anything to do with the horrible rules can it?

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:


All the more reason to give Orks better rules to encourage people to buy and play them. If anything Orks must be good sellers to get shafted so hard because they expect people to buy them anyways.

Honestly I think its 100% intended for Orks to be a weaker army for the more favored ones to roll over. That or whoever does balancing and rules is a moron.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you think someone does balancing in GW, thats adorable. And apparently Chaos must be selling amazingly considering how bad they are.

Well that really does not surprise me. From what I have seen Chaos fans seem to be really dedicated fans. I assume they all enjoy getting punched in the nuts as they jack off from how much they get gaked on, but hey.

In a world where gw ran orks into the ground.
One sister company has the opportunity to break all the rules.
This summer, forge world is.....
"Not game workshop"
Prepare to waaaagh

Let's hope.

geargutz wrote:
In a world where gw ran orks into the ground.
One sister company has the opportunity to break all the rules.
This summer, forge world is.....
"Not game workshop"
Prepare to waaaagh

Let's hope.

Come on Forge World

This is GW's codex editor.

 TedNugent wrote:

This is GW's codex editor.

Somethings Gakky.

 TedNugent wrote:

This is GW's codex editor.

And i have now laughed out all of my Rage

Ok, trying to be optimistic and make use of what we have.

Looking at Ideas for core you can get a bare bones Warband for 524 (6 boyz, 1 grot, warboss, 1 nobs) then start adding gear and Aux units

Also for around 1200 you can get a warband with 6 trukk boyz units (nob , Pk) units that can waaagh first turn and charge 2d6+2 (planks). in an 1850 that leaves 650 for Aux.

I like that Ghazz idea, but im going to test out with out him first to see what I can do with more units instead of 1 uber one.

Was the Da Boss iz Watchin' rule always that gak? Because lots of formations came from the ghaz book had it and I don't remember the rule being that terrible.

 Swampmist wrote:
Was the Da Boss iz Watchin' rule always that gak? Because lots of formations came from the ghaz book had it and I don't remember the rule being that terrible.

Yes. When i first read it i swore they had wrote it after doing a literal mountain of cocaine with Charlie Sheen.

Yes, its always been there. Its not a chart where rolling high or low is infinitely better because it depends on the situation, so having a +2 to the die roll on the chart is essentially screwing it over. Might as well not have it.
If it was +/-2, it would be amazing, and justify the D3+3 instead of D6 hits. As it stands, it is now and always has been a flatout nerf to an already bad rule.

Welp. Back to writing an update for them that isn't utter horse gak then! Currently planning on playtesting some stuff monday, so I can try to salvage some of this at the very least.

 Swampmist wrote:
Welp. Back to writing an update for them that isn't utter horse gak then! Currently planning on playtesting some stuff monday, so I can try to salvage some of this at the very least.

*cough*shameless self plug*cough*

*coughownshamelessplugcough*

Also Does the New Kill Mob have have the DA BOSS IZ WATCHING and DA BIGGEST AN' DA BEST rules ?

It was part of the Sanctus reach formations, so didnt have it originally.