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It shows how desperate they're getting.

Yep. A bad move by Remain, most likely because the "official" Remain side is full of dishonest arseholes.

I figure it will backfire. A Leave vote is looking more likely by the week.

Ah well.

 Da Boss wrote:
Yep. A bad move by Remain, most likely because the "official" Remain side is full of dishonest arseholes.

I figure it will backfire. A Leave vote is looking more likely by the week.

Ah well.

I don't think so, it could go either way and the propaganda campaign for both sides hasn't started properly yet. Expect a torrent of BS to be shovelled by both sides.

Just received that Government leaflet, but they haven't included a return address or envelope so ic an send it back. Sneaky bastards.

Stupid leaflets. £9m waste of our cash.

And then there's this...

"Perhaps it is time for an EU ban on referenda". So says Fraser Cameron, former European Commission official.

Those pesky voters and their democracy...

Did anyone else get theirs with an envelope? Is there a return address I can send it back to?

My parents found it and left it out in the kitchen, idk if there was an envelope that they threw away or not.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did anyone else get theirs with an envelope? Is there a return address I can send it back to?

My parents found it and left it out in the kitchen, idk if there was an envelope that they threw away or not.

Just return it to:

HM Government
Houses Of Parliament
London
England

Would be quite interesting if a lot of people sent their leaflets back. Would be a sign of the strength of feeling on the Out side.

 Da Boss wrote:
Would be quite interesting if a lot of people sent their leaflets back. Would be a sign of the strength of feeling on the Out side.

Yes but where do you send them to? Mine came with no return address.


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 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did anyone else get theirs with an envelope? Is there a return address I can send it back to?

My parents found it and left it out in the kitchen, idk if there was an envelope that they threw away or not.

Just return it to:

HM Government
Houses Of Parliament
London
England

Is that an actual address that the post man will recognise?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did anyone else get theirs with an envelope? Is there a return address I can send it back to?

My parents found it and left it out in the kitchen, idk if there was an envelope that they threw away or not.

Not really.

Bear in mind it's a govt. issued leaflet -- not Con. party -- so even if there is any postal bill to pay it'll be picked up by the tax payer not the Con. party.

 reds8n wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did anyone else get theirs with an envelope? Is there a return address I can send it back to?

My parents found it and left it out in the kitchen, idk if there was an envelope that they threw away or not.

Not really.

Bear in mind it's a govt. issued leaflet -- not Con. party -- so even if there is any postal bill to pay it'll be picked up by the tax payer not the Con. party.

That's just insult to injury. By tearing that leaflet up and throwing it in the bin, I'm technically wasting my own tax money!

I haven't had the leaflet through the door yet, but if Nick Clegg features in it, that angry shouting noise echoing across Britain is coming from my house!

have a look

https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/why-the-government-believes-we-should-remain/eu-referendum-leaflet/

and in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland throughout the week commencing 9 May to avoid disruption ahead of their local elections.

This is why I despise politicians. The leaders of the devolved assemblies asked Cameron not to have the EU referendum in June, as it would disrupt the campaigns for the Scottish parliament elections, Welsh assembly, Northern Ireland etc etc

Cameron ignored them.

And yet, they have the nerve to say they won't deliver this leaflet to my house in Scotland until May 9th to avoid disrupting elections up here!


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We have a commitment to reduce EU red tape

I nearly dislocated my hip falling out my chair! My lawyers will be contacting the government to secure compensation for the damage done to my ribs, mouth, teeth, and hip!

On a serious note, this is pie in the sky nonsense from Westminster. The usual watered down, weasel words, that have about as much legal standing as a £3 coin!

I stopped reading after that sentence . 9 million pounds wasted on this propaganda.

A commitment carries no water in Brussels - it's not worth the ink or paper it was written on.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

and in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland throughout the week commencing 9 May to avoid disruption ahead of their local elections.

This is why I despise politicians. The leaders of the devolved assemblies asked Cameron not to have the EU referendum in June, as it would disrupt the campaigns for the Scottish parliament elections, Welsh assembly, Northern Ireland etc etc

Cameron ignored them.

And yet, they have the nerve to say they won't deliver this leaflet to my house in Scotland until May 9th to avoid disrupting elections up here!

......

And yet the poor put apon Scot, Welsh, Noriron and perfidious English have some how been able to vote in local, European and national elections at the same time for many years without fudging it up.

Perhaps the current problem with Scots schools is worse than thought if the Scots population are now no longer capable of handling such a complex situation. Probably best for all if you all loose the right to vote.

 notprop wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

and in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland throughout the week commencing 9 May to avoid disruption ahead of their local elections.

This is why I despise politicians. The leaders of the devolved assemblies asked Cameron not to have the EU referendum in June, as it would disrupt the campaigns for the Scottish parliament elections, Welsh assembly, Northern Ireland etc etc

Cameron ignored them.

And yet, they have the nerve to say they won't deliver this leaflet to my house in Scotland until May 9th to avoid disrupting elections up here!

......

And yet the poor put apon Scot, Welsh, Noriron and perfidious English have some how been able to vote in local, European and national elections at the same time for many years without fudging it up.

Perhaps the current problem with Scots schools is worse than thought if the Scots population are now no longer capable of handling such a complex situation. Probably best for all if you all loose the right to vote.

Ahem, we use the Alternative Member system of voting up here for the Scottish Parliament elections

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/12/germany-charge-comic-insulting-turkeys-president/

bit eye-opening eh ?

The stunt succeeded as a provocation — enraging Erdogan, who filed a criminal complaint with the state prosecutor in Mainz, where ZDF is based, and Turkish officials like Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus, who called the poem “a crime against humanity” — but backfired on the network, which removed the video from its website, and Böhmermann, who was perhaps unaware of an obscure law still on the books in Germany that makes slandering a foreign head of state an offense punishable by up to five years in prison.

.... hmmm ..... might be worth remembering ...


.... If I was a a former world leader -- perhaps a 2 term President of the USA before the current incumbent for example -- might be worth getting some lawyers to have a poke around and see what was said.

Especially if those redacted 28 pages makes life a bit awkward.

Despite that provision, Germany, like many European countries, does impose legal limits on free speech that ban certain kinds of statements, including Holocaust denial and the promotion of Nazi ideology, but also “defamation of the President, insult of the Federal Republic, its states, the flag, and the national anthem.”

err.... what ?!

TBF making fun of any aspect of Germany is our prerogative is it not ?

So Turkey has made Germany its bitch?

TBf I think there's a wee bit more going on here than the, somewhat slanted, article suggests.


But I'm not gonna claim any real knowledge of German slander laws.

Plus it wasn't that long ago that London was known as the Libel capital of the world, so... cast ye not etc etc .



..That said... doesn't really endear one further to Turkey or at least its leaders eh ?

Electoral Commission names Vote Leave as official campaign group for the OUT camp.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/13/vote-leave-official-brexit-campaign-eu-referendum-boris-johnson

Bojo 1 Farage Nil

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Electoral Commission names Vote Leave as official campaign group for the OUT camp.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/13/vote-leave-official-brexit-campaign-eu-referendum-boris-johnson

Bojo 1 Farage Nil

Without Farage and UKIP we wouldn't even be having this referendum.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Electoral Commission names Vote Leave as official campaign group for the OUT camp.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/13/vote-leave-official-brexit-campaign-eu-referendum-boris-johnson

Bojo 1 Farage Nil

Without Farage and UKIP we wouldn't even be having this referendum.

True to an extent, but one should never underestimate the Tory grassroots - they've been agitating for this for a long time, as well.

Also, Farage isn't exactly a winner in my book. His campaigns to be elected as an MP have always ended in farce and disaster, so I'm glad somebody else is in charge.

reds8n wrote:

Despite that provision, Germany, like many European countries, does impose legal limits on free speech that ban certain kinds of statements, including Holocaust denial and the promotion of Nazi ideology, but also “defamation of the President, insult of the Federal Republic, its states, the flag, and the national anthem.”

err.... what ?!

TBF making fun of any aspect of Germany is our prerogative is it not ?

Yes, it is.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:So Turkey has made Germany its bitch?

More precise, Erdowan has made Merkel his bitch (which according to the slanderous "poem" in question makes her a goat, btw).
Or at least she plays easy to get, for the time being. We will know for sure if and when our Arch-chancellor of Doom(TM) allows/refuses the opening of criminal proceedings (a prerequisite in this particular case)

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/04/bloody-hell-eu-referendum-could-be-pushed-back-to-october/

It’s barely been an hour since the Electoral Commission revealed the two main opposing EU Referendum groups, and the Brexiters are already in another mess.


After the EC said that ‘Vote Leave’ (which is led by Gove, among others) is designated as the official campaign for Brexit — which entitles it to state funding — the other main Brexit group was furious.

Arron Banks, founder of rival Brexit group Leave.EU, told the Telegraph he would be taking legal action.

We are going to see lawyers now. We think they haven’t applied the criteria they should have.
It is not right. We have over a million supporters, [Vote Leave] have nobody but a few Tory politicians. … This is a political stitch-up.
The bottom line is we’re going to judicially review it and we will go at it 100 per cent. The net effect is that it will probably delay the referendum.
Getting official designation allows the winning group the right and spend £7million during the 10 week campaign. Everyone else will have their spending capped at £700,000.

This difference in spending limits is at the heart of the rivalry over designation.

For the rest of us, it could mean more misery

oh good,....


All getting a bit life of Brian eh ? The splitters !

"Whatever happened to the popular front, Reg?"

"He's over there. SPLITTER!"

Well, I expected the Tories to tear themselves apart over the referendum but I did not expect those who wanted to leave to further tear themselves apart over wanting the same thing but not getting money for it

I detest Farage, but I thought he was pretty gracious in defeat. I reckon he wants everyone to row in behind the official campaign to increase the chances of Brexit.

No big surprise that the establishment group got the rights though.

 Da Boss wrote:
I detest Farage, but I thought he was pretty gracious in defeat. I reckon he wants everyone to row in behind the official campaign to increase the chances of Brexit.

No big surprise that the establishment group got the rights though.

Although are they technically not anti-establishment given the government is pro-europe?

 Da Boss wrote:
I detest Farage, but I thought he was pretty gracious in defeat. I reckon he wants everyone to row in behind the official campaign to increase the chances of Brexit.

No big surprise that the establishment group got the rights though.

I don't really like Farage's ideas either, but on a personal level he does seem like a great guy. And he is funny.

Banks drops threat to launch legal challenge against Vote Leave being lead Brexit campaign

Arron Banks, the Leave.EU founder and a key figure in Grassroots Out (GO), has put out a statement saying he will not be going to court to challenge the decision not to make GO the lead Leave Organisation. He said:

I have spent a lot of time and so much money, alongside many others, over the past few months and years making sure this referendum happened, and more than anything we wanted to make sure it happened fairly. We have raised well over £9m and reached millions of people around this country.

What is clear now is that if we were to pursue a judicial review, according to legal experts, we would win. But this is a time to take a step back from the matter, and after consulting with leading campaigners on this issue, including UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage – we have decided to show the public how this process was stitched up, but not to pursue the judicial review any further.

It is time to turn our collective guns on the real opponents in this campaign: those who are repeatedly trying to scare the British public into thinking that Britain is too small and insignificant to be an independent nation engaged with the whole world, not just one corner of it. We will be pursuing this campaign with vigour – and we’ll have some fun with it along the way.



phew !

Talk about sour grapes!

Of course, any good solicitor will back you up unto your last penny...

 zedmeister wrote:
Talk about sour grapes!

Of course, any good solicitor will back you up unto your last penny...

Did you not read redS8n's post? They're dropping the lawsuit.