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In 30 min then right? fething exciting!

Yup. I'm voting as soon as the polls open so I don't have to worry about missing it.

Will be interesting waking up on Friday. Not going to lie, it is scary considering that this is the first time an EU member, particularly one with the influence that the UK has on it is deciding whether or not to remain a member.

 messhallcook wrote:
In 30 min then right? fething exciting!

It's not been a particularly interesting campaign on either side and the whole thing feels like a massive let-down with zero concrete plan or ideas on either side for what we will do going forward regardless of the outcome.

None of the mainstream remain groups have any real desire to go into the EU and start reforming or actually getting stuck into a leading role. None of the leave groups have any real plans other than "it will be great, trust us!". And of course, neither side has any real plans about how they will go about things if they lose.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yup. I'm voting as soon as the polls open so I don't have to worry about missing it.

Will be interesting waking up on Friday. Not going to lie, it is scary considering that this is the first time an EU member, particularly one with the influence that the UK has on it is deciding whether or not to remain a member.

Pretty fething cool... I'm excited to see what happens... personally I'm rooting for a split. But then again I gotta remind myself that this is affecting real people; and its not just some scenario in Europa Universalis IV.

Have to agree. I find there has been far too much fear mongering and not enough fact sharing, as well as negative campaigning. I don't trust Cameron to get much reforming done. But at least every five years I can try and vote him out of office.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 messhallcook wrote:
In 30 min then right? fething exciting!

It's not been a particularly interesting campaign on either side and the whole thing feels like a massive let-down with zero concrete plan or ideas on either side for what we will do going forward regardless of the outcome.

None of the mainstream remain groups have any real desire to go into the EU and start reforming or actually getting stuck into a leading role. None of the leave groups have any real plans other than "it will be great, trust us!". And of course, neither side has any real plans about how they will go about things if they lose.

I think just the idea that the vote is happening is kind of exciting to me... the arguments being made from either side are kind of okay, but don't really thrill me... I think partially is that while arguments kind of predict or project what may happen... it isn't concrete... after the vote happens... after all is counted... THEN you see something tangible... a result and then you get to see what happens after that flash point; you get to see the real action/application not just the assessment or theory.

I'm going to be glad when this is over and done with. The talking heads from both sides are abhorrent and the levels of 'little englandness' that have been swamping the news media and facebook are repugnant.

Yeah it will be nice when those interested in British Sovereignty aren't dismissed as racist too. The level of Ad Homien has been ratcheted up to 11 for most of the last month.

Did anyone see Will Self make such remarks to Dreda Say Mitchell on C4 News. I honestly thought she would beat the snot out of him.

I've voted.

I've voted. Wasn't many people but it was half seven and people are either still asleep or working. I'm sure it will pick up as the day goes on.

Glad my part is over anyway.

Well done.

I was going to go tonight after work but the current (very British) rain storm and flooding mean I can get in so will go and vote now.

 notprop wrote:
Yeah it will be nice when those interested in British Sovereignty aren't dismissed as racist too.

Well there does seem to be a lot of racists on the leave side if my facebook feed is any guide. I have been able to do some extensive pruning of my 'friends' list though

That just means you know/knew allot of racists. Personally I've not seen any such thing.

Voted, too. Now for the wait.

So lets take bets: Will Sunderland or Newcastle win the race to get their results out first tonight?

I'm off to vote in a bit. Taking my own pen in case they rub out the pencil marks. Tin foil hat alert

Anyway, I'm not sure what my strategy is. Normally, I stay up all night and watch the votes come in, but I can't be bothered listening to Paddy Ashdown or Michael Portillo, when they get wheeled out.

The alternative is to have a few drinks and hang around dakka, and wait for the votes, but that gets me into trouble with the mods

I think I'll go to sleep and get up at 6am or something.


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 Robin5t wrote:
Voted, too. Now for the wait.

So lets take bets: Will Sunderland or Newcastle win the race to get their results out first tonight?

Probably Sunderland, but then it's a 6 hour gap until the next results come in.

Voted. And it was actually a weight off my shoulders. Seriously.
Now all I have to do is stay calm by ignoring the news and social media for the rest of the day.

Voted, I've done my part... everyone who can vote get out there and vote.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Voted. And it was actually a weight off my shoulders. Seriously.
Now all I have to do is stay calm by ignoring the news and social media for the rest of the day.

Indeed. My vote is cast, my burden lifted...




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 Kilkrazy wrote:
That's possibly because 90% of economists and business leaders know that Brexit will be bad. No-one can say exactly how bad, but there isn't any possibility that it will be good. Anyone assuring you they have no clue is just clueless.

Actually, only 14.7% of economists oppose Brexit. Guido Fawkes did some digging and found out that 3,818 economists were polled and 639 responded! Vote Remain were a bit 'spinny' with the figures. But, I don't think 1 in 7 economists oppose brexit would make a very good headline...

Not to mention that the recent abstaining of half of cameron's business advisors from backing remain.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
That's possibly because 90% of economists and business leaders know that Brexit will be bad. No-one can say exactly how bad, but there isn't any possibility that it will be good. Anyone assuring you they have no clue is just clueless.

Actually, only 14.7% of economists oppose Brexit. Guido Fawkes did some digging and found out that 3,818 economists were polled and 639 responded! Vote Remain were a bit 'spinny' with the figures. But, I don't think 1 in 7 economists oppose brexit would make a very good headline...

Not to mention that the recent abstaining of half of cameron's business advisors from backing remain.

We don't know what will happen. Some believe that leaving the EU will free us of so much corruption and red tape our economy will revive. Others think we are burning our own house down.
Only someone with a vested political interest in deceiving others will say they are sure either way. Economic prescience is a rare talent, yet too many people insist they have it.

A lot also depends on threats, whether they materialise or not depends on political will of individuals and conflicting political interests. We cant realistically call this. Some people believe that if we leave the EU will try to actively punish us as a warning to others. Some people beleive that if we stay Camerons concessions will be revoked. Some people call the economic outcome on these speculations, which is unsound because both rely on political whim. The most we an do is raise possibilities, and there are so many if we are honest with ourselves that we cannot forsee all ends.
Yet Eldrad is here on every newspaper column telling us exactly what will happen.

 Orlanth wrote:
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Oh, I agree completely, no-one has a clue. And that was the gist of my point - the facts have been so twisted and muddied by the debate with any figure manipulated to fit the narrative...

As an aside, I can't believe that the central banks and various financial institutions as well as our own government would suddenly throw financial responsibility out of the window should we vote Leave. I'd bet money on there being various contingency plans and other measures ready to be put in place with an attempt to smooth out any potential jitters. They didn't predict the 2008 crash, but the referendum has been seen a mile off...

Voted.

Lets the fates decide.

Though oddly several other EU members are looking closely at UK and how it goes. The snowflake that starts a avalanche?

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Yeah it will be nice when those interested in British Sovereignty aren't dismissed as racist too.

Well there does seem to be a lot of racists on the leave side if my facebook feed is any guide. I have been able to do some extensive pruning of my 'friends' list though

I might have to do this too. If so, sadly means I have to leave my regular gaming group for 40k.

Polls show Remain ahead by 6 points if anyone is interested at this point.

I think it is going to be a lot closer than the polls say.

Voted.

I'm beginning to wonder if an Dakkanauts actually have jobs.

I work odd hours. I voted before work.

 notprop wrote:
Voted.

I'm begin it to wonder if an Dakkanauts actually have jobs.

Or actually have any interesting in miniatures and wargaming! I've been spending more time in here with the referendum looming than in other sub- forums this last week


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As an aside, polls are all over the place:

Comres phone poll: Remain 48%, Leave 42%
Opinium online poll: Remain 44%, Leave 45%
YouGov online poll: Remain 45%, Leave 45%

I think the "Don't Knows" will swing this...

And in a last hurrah of people being racist donkey-caves, someone that I went to school with just unironically quoted the Rivers of Blood speech in an attempt to sway people to vote leave.

Posh schools are always filled with such lovely, well-adjusted people...

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Didn't the UK have to vote to enter the EU in the first place?

No, we did not. We have never had a vote to enter.

The British Government entered the UK into what was then the European Economic Community - a free trade zone, not a political union, without consulting the people. In 1976, we had a referendum on whether to Remain in the EEC.

Over the decades, our politicians changed the EEC through several treaties into the European Union - a political union. They did this without asking the consent of the people. This Referendum today, some two and a half decades after the formation of the European Union, is the first the British electorate is being directly consulted on what the EU has become.

It's not fair to characterise Leavers as racists, but there is a stronger element of internationalism among Remainers.

That is practically the definition of the debate. Remainers are happy with closer international relations than Leavers, who want to deal with foreign countries on a more restricted basis.

Well, I've cast my vote. I have to admit, my hand wavered, but I think that was because of the metal strip hidden under the remain box, and the strong magnet that every polling booth pencil has hidden in it


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's not fair to characterise Leavers as racists, but there is a stronger element of internationalism among Remainers.

That is practically the definition of the debate. Remainers are happy with closer international relations than Leavers, who want to deal with foreign countries on a more restricted basis.

I've just voted to leave, and for me immigration was never the issue. I have no problems with migrants - it's the lack of democratic accountability in the EU which made me vote leave.