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So who do you think will win?


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I personally think Orks

No one. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

The Imperium. Any other thought is defeatism which is of course Heresy.

Tyranids. It's impossible for them to lose.

Unless, of course, they're fighting the Ultramarines. Then they'll "almost win", but look! Guilliman has recovered! (or some other incredibly cheesy ****) He's defeated the Tyranids forever! Hurrah for the Ultramarines!

Squats. Forgotten by all other factions, with even the hive mind thinking them devoured, when all is swept away they shall spread across the stars, crushing any surging remnants of the once indomitable empires beneath their stubby boot.

Pending no dues ex machina there is no way the Nids won't devour all


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Pending no dues ex machina Nids will devour all

I remember hearing something about the Orks ever uniting they would easily destroy the galaxy and with ghazy I think he might just do it at least a good bit of Orks

No one.

The imperium will fall soon, tyranids will consume a large part of the universe but they too will collapse due to parasites or other internal problems. In the end the universe will be dead and empty and the warp will be filled with dead forgotten gods.

The 40k universe can't have a happier ending then ours.

I meant in the way they eliminate/subjugate the other factions

The Orks! They never lose and when you kill one more will spawn from the spores!

Tau. The only species capable of rational though and adaptability. If the Tyranids ever had hyper adaptability and rational thought I would say them.

Aren't the Tau currently going to get attacked by a Hivefleet I personally don't see how the Tau can do that much just because of how small they are

I hate Necrons, but honestly this is my theory:

Imperium, Chaos and Xenos are all warring.
Eldar do their Ynnead thing, there goes Chaos (or at least part of it).
Orks win temporarily, just getting over with numbers.
Chaos dies out because the species that manifest them dies.
More Tyranids arrive from outside of the Galaxy.
Tyranids eat Orks and everything else.
Tyranids move on because they have eaten everything.
Necrons come out and party because they are inedible.

Necrons rule a very empty and boring galaxy.

When the dust settles, it'll be a three-way battle royale between the Orks, 'Nids, and 'Crons.

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Aren't the Tau currently going to get attacked by a Hivefleet I personally don't see how the Tau can do that much just because of how small they are

Farsight and his band of merry men used the power of science to create a virus that destroyed one hive fleet like nothing. Four tiny planet defeated a hive fleet. Pretty funny actually. At this point from a lore perspective it's only a matter of when the Tau are going to win. Unless something drastic happens, Just like no one ever expected the Skaven to wreck house in end times. No one expects the Tau to do much until they invent some sort of doomsday device.

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 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
I hate Necrons, but honestly this is my theory:

Imperium, Chaos and Xenos are all warring.
Eldar do their Ynnead thing, there goes Chaos (or at least part of it).
Orks win temporarily, just getting over with numbers.
Chaos dies out because the species that manifest them dies.
More Tyranids arrive from outside of the Galaxy.
Tyranids eat Orks and everything else.
Tyranids move on because they have eaten everything.
Necrons come out and party because they are inedible.

Necrons rule a very empty and boring galaxy.

This would be one of the waves of extinction.
Now immagine Eldar hiding in the webway with the means to bring the dead planets back to life, some ork spores floating around somewhere waiting to germinate on a new world and perhaps some smart humans or tau hiding in an artificial world outside the reach of the tyranids.

It would take a while but everything would be business as usual for all but the few idiots who don't know ow to survive these kind of events and chaos just tags along.

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
I meant in the way they eliminate/subjugate the other factions

This is a game on an other time scale then crusades and wars for most races. Sure some of the factions van eleminate large parts of other factions in a grand war but that doesn't matter that much. The only thing that matters is can the faction hide / survive. For other factions will be the one winning battles a few 1.000.000 years later.

-The current human empire isn't viable for an other 10.000 years or even for the next 10.000.000 years. Their only chance of survival is if they get a revolution, get rid of the emperor, the cult of mars and all the other grimdark inefficiencies. My guess is that this will fail for at least the majority of the human civilisation. It might be that a sane minority escapes it all with or without help from outsiders such as eldrad but the empire is actively trying to prevent this from ever happening.

-Tau will rise and fall in the same way humans did. The corruption is already showing in its current state.

-Tyranids will eat large portions of the galaxy in the near future, destroying large portions of some factions.
Anyone who can't hide from them will be vanquised.

-The old races (Necrons and Eldar) know how to survive, but they might fail to do so due to errors and mistakes.

-Orks will pop up from time to time like the fungus spores they are. Any mass extinction due to a fallen / defeated empire will most likely be followed by new wave of orks.

- Chaos space marines will outlast the empire of man but will finally lose numbers, transform and fade.

- Chaos daemons will be there as long as the other factions are alive.

When entropy effects set in all races will slowly die out and the warp finally calms.
Some races will be very good at postponing their eventual doom but in the end non can survive it.

The Harlequins are going to wreck house in the end times, I think. Cegorach's big plan is going to turn some heads.

In the end, though, the Orks already have everything they could want. They've already won.

The Imperium can only hope to survive, and given their might I can't call that a triumph.

Tau are doomed. Their only defense is that no one cares.

Chaos can be defeated, but never really ended. Which is what is likely to happen.

The silent king is returning to the galaxy to rally the necrons, but he seems to be focused on tyranids so I think they effectively cancel each other out.

You could probably lump all the elder factions into one group. With the overall best case goal of survival/destruction of slaanesh. I agree that Cegorach's plan may have the greatest impact and success. More than the craftworlds with Ynnead.

Orks and Dark Eldar have already achieved victory as far their goals are. They just have to maintain the status quo.

Tau are too small fish

For Necron galaxy has changed too much and nids/orks pose a massive problem for them

Orks never will unite whatever ghaz attempts

I'm still convinced nids are running away from something in their home/previous galaxy. Aren't they also pretty sucky in terms of space combat?

Chaos, despite demons, CSM are too small in number these days. Also inevitable infighting.

Elder/Dark Elder are a dying race, most they could achieve is defeating Slaanesh.

Just leaves the Imperium, I doubt it will survive in it's xenophobic and God Emperor Religious state though. They may eventually win but may be more similar to the Imperium pre Heresy or maybe something completely different.

I want to say Necrons or IoM but Tyranids are after all an unstoppable force devouring entire worlds. As much as some kf us wouldnt like to see it i think Tyranids are going to come out on top of this. Or some friggin awesome end time fluff is gonna arise where like the emperor arises from the golden throne. That would be awesome.

ORKS!
Coz' Dey are da biggest and da strongest!
(And the fact that if they believe they will win,THEY WILL WIN!)
(But i prefer the 2nd edition Ork Make-Believe,Where if you gave an ork a pipe, and conviced him it was a gun, IT WOULD SHOOT BULLETS!)

Nurlge takes over all. he was the first god, then things changed and Tzeentch was born.

All is death and it will be so in the end

Nids eat everything.

Orks cannot be erradicated. Ever. Every drop of ork blood spilled, makes more orks.

It's a rock-paper-scissors game:

Necrons beat 'Nids (no biomass to absorb)
Tyranids beat Orks (excess biomass)
Orks beat Necrons (per Stormlord's past codex)

I think it should be Necrons or Tyranids, but knowing GW, it'll probably be the star if the show, Imperium of Man.

Purely from a lore standpoint, Tyranids will win.

All lore suggests all the Tyranid invasions so far are just from the Tyranid Vanguard - the first wave.

The main body of the Great Devourer hasn't even reached our galaxy. And when it does, think Mass Effect 3 and Reapers, only there is no superweapon to kill them all.

All life will be harvested and devoured in the galaxy.

Like the galaxies before. And the ones after (assuming ours isnt the last one with life in the universe left)

Even if the IoM is destroyed by Chaos, Chaos is still made out of living beings, and they too are food for the Great Devourer. Same goes for Orks.

Only the Necrons can stop the Tyranid threat if they exterminate all life in the galaxy, but they lack the numbers to do so.

Shouldn't the Chaos Gods last a long time? And while they're still alive their daemons will bring Chaos to the universe.

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Only the Necrons can stop the Tyranid threat if they exterminate all life in the galaxy, but they lack the numbers to do so.

I disagree. There are still millions of slumbering Tomb Worlds in the fluff, each housing millions or more Necrons. They could very easily put up a hell of a fight against Tyranids.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Now immagine Eldar hiding in the webway with the means to bring the dead planets back to life, some ork spores floating around somewhere waiting to germinate on a new world and perhaps some smart humans or tau hiding in an artificial world outside the reach of the tyranids. It would take a while but everything would be business as usual for all but the few idiots who don't know ow to survive these kind of events

I like these concepts, especially the latter. Could a Dyson Sphere be built, except the interior isnt all solar panels but also an artificial world like Halo where a race can go into hiding? I dont think Nids will smash themselves against an artificial sphere devoid of life on the outside, unless they can sense this is housing life on the inside.

Same goes for Eldar in general, btw. Their Craftworlds are essentially mobile planets - they could just run away from a Hive Fleet unless of course Shadow of the Warp prevents Warp jumps and their craftworld is surrounded.


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 Gamgee wrote:

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Aren't the Tau currently going to get attacked by a Hivefleet I personally don't see how the Tau can do that much just because of how small they are

Farsight and his band of merry men used the power of science to create a virus that destroyed one hive fleet like nothing. Four tiny planet defeated a hive fleet. Pretty funny actually. At this point from a lore perspective it's only a matter of when the Tau are going to win. Unless something drastic happens, Just like no one ever expected the Skaven to wreck house in end times. No one expects the Tau to do much until they invent some sort of doomsday device.

Is this in the new enclaves codex lore? Sounds really interesting. The concept of a super virus being engineered to then get ingested by the Nids, sucked up via the capillary towers back into their ships and killing off the entire swarm sounds like a good idea and might work to cull the Tyranid threat...but Nids are shown to be adaptable and it might backfire and make them even more deadly (like making all Nids 2+ poisonous henceforth lol)