Massive Darkness (CMON) News and Rumors Thread

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**Azazelx**

Affordable Chaos Thugs/Marauders. Or Varangur.

**Alpharius**

Can't wait to see what the next few "Enemy Box" stretch goals will be after this one - the campaign has the potential to deliver quite a few more of them.

I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

**Nostromodamus**

I'm tempted to get 2 or 3 base pledges for KoW fodder, especially with the lack of appealing add ons right now.

**greywulf**

I do hope as some others have said for the artist packs. I absolutely love the Kopinski brothers ones from Black Plague so I'd love to see another here.

**Alpharius**

I'd imagine they'll come soon enough - maybe?

There will undoubtedly be some attractive add-ons this week, and for the remaining 3 weeks of the campaign.

I still think a 'completionist' pledge here will end up in the $300 - $400 range.

**ced1106**

One of the backers was complaining about the SG gap, so please use these SG's instead:

1400K: Trog Agent
1415K: Minotaur
1430K: Six Trog Tribesmen
1450K: Six Trog Tribesmen
1475K: Trog Warrior

ONLY 10K UNTIL WE UNLOCK THE MINOTAUR!!!

(Oh, and they're talking about bad Chinese food in the KS comments.)

**Yodhrin**

Those Trogs are quite something, I'll probably pick up one of the retail boxes depending on what they look like scale-wise.

**Theophony**

I find it a little strange that the Trogs come with a Minotaur yet the bosses helmer is shaped like a wolf

you'd think that he'd have horns or something.....right?

**Gallahad**

I love those troglodytes. Fantastic design, and great sculpting. They look like they will be really fun to paint. I'll look forward to picking up the box at retail! Not enough in the base pledge that catches my eye currently.

**ced1106**

Well, if that minotaur caught that trog elder wearing a helmet out of horns, that minotaur would wear a helmet made out of trogs.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I thought mention was made of ratlings?

I'm sure there's a market out there for men that look like rats.

I'm actually curious as to how Guiton- designed ratlings would look. They never had any for Confrontation, but the Goblins there had such a rat theme going on, I had always half expected to see a were-rat-goblin.

That's my guess anyways for the next mob group.

**-Loki-**

Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

We've got a High Elf hero now, so some Dark Elf enemies would make sense. Also might be a chance for get a more serpentine roaming monster without going full dragon.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I thought mention was made of ratlings?

I'm sure there's a market out there for men that look like rats.

Yeah, I'd imaging Ratlings would be coming up. Be interesting to see their Roaming Monster.

**Alpharius**

-Loki- wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

We've got a High Elf hero now, so some Dark Elf enemies would make sense. Also might be a chance for get a more serpentine roaming monster without going full dragon.

That's a great idea!

A basilisk maybe?

**Nostromodamus**

A decent amount of ratmen would absolutely convince me to buy at least 2 pledges.

**Theophony**

Alpharius wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

We've got a High Elf hero now, so some Dark Elf enemies would make sense. Also might be a chance for get a more serpentine roaming monster without going full dragon.

That's a great idea!

A basilisk maybe?

A hydras not a dragon is it? I mean technically

**Prestor Jon**

Theophony wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

We've got a High Elf hero now, so some Dark Elf enemies would make sense. Also might be a chance for get a more serpentine roaming monster without going full dragon.

That's a great idea!

A basilisk maybe?

A hydras not a dragon is it? I mean technically

Given the size of the tiles and the minis shown to date I don't think it would make sense to have a hydra. It would likely have to be smaller than the Reaper Bones hydra and being that small would make it pretty unimpressive. I think a half coiled snake or big lizard would be more lkely since they can fit within the base size more easily.

**Theophony**

Spoiler:

Given the size of the tiles and the minis shown to date I don't think it would make sense to have a hydra. It would likely have to be smaller than the Reaper Bones hydra and being that small would make it pretty unimpressive. I think a half coiled snake or big lizard would be more lkely since they can fit within the base size more easily.

We disagree. The base size for the abominatroll and abominarat fill the base and the models overflow the bases and the heights are amazing. They could do a dragonfly be lair which could be the size of a whole tile to itself and just mark off areas like in zombicide with sidewalks to give the movement allowances for humanoids but allow the dragon or other no steroid sized creatures to move 2-3 squares in one action. Or do like x-wing with epic ships, and have seperate damage areas for front (head), middle (body) and tail. That would allow them to use the beasts outside of just a cave area as well, have shrubbery deciding the zones like they did in zombicide, or rocky outcroppings or any other sort of features to guide movement but not restrict it. That way adventurers could sneak into an enemy encampment to rescue a captured noble or steal plans or even try to locate the enemy general and cut the head off the snake.

But all is really moot on the dragon point as Thiago has already said "No Dragons"

**Alpharius**

I'm still not convinced 100% that there will be no Dragons!

If this thing gets high enough, who knows?

And if not now, this campaign, Dragons will show up eventually...right?

**Prestor Jon**

Theophony wrote:

Spoiler:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Theophony wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
-Loki- wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet one for...Dark Elves...and...Beastmen of some sort...and...?

We've got a High Elf hero now, so some Dark Elf enemies would make sense. Also might be a chance for get a more serpentine roaming monster without going full dragon.

That's a great idea!

A basilisk maybe?

A hydras not a dragon is it? I mean technically

Given the size of the tiles and the minis shown to date I don't think it would make sense to have a hydra. It would likely have to be smaller than the Reaper Bones hydra and being that small would make it pretty unimpressive. I think a half coiled snake or big lizard would be more lkely since they can fit within the base size more easily.

We disagree. The base size for the abominatroll and abominarat fill the base and the models overflow the bases and the heights are amazing. They could do a dragonfly be lair which could be the size of a whole tile to itself and just mark off areas like in zombicide with sidewalks to give the movement allowances for humanoids but allow the dragon or other no steroid sized creatures to move 2-3 squares in one action. Or do like x-wing with epic ships, and have seperate damage areas for front (head), middle (body) and tail. That would allow them to use the beasts outside of just a cave area as well, have shrubbery deciding the zones like they did in zombicide, or rocky outcroppings or any other sort of features to guide movement but not restrict it. That way adventurers could sneak into an enemy encampment to rescue a captured noble or steal plans or even try to locate the enemy general and cut the head off the snake.

But all is really moot on the dragon point as Thiago has already said "No Dragons"

**Theophony**

How about a baby dragon then, or a clutch of eggs with a newly hatched dragon.

**Prestor Jon**

Theophony wrote:
How about a baby dragon then, or a clutch of eggs with a newly hatched dragon.

I have been waiting on getting a clutch of baby dragons eating a princess ever since I watched The Sword and the Sorceror back in the '80s.

**Pacific**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Theophony wrote:
And now building a troglodytes army becomes possible by buying multiple boxes @$35 (or $28 from miniature market) 20 humanoid figs and the Minotaur for 35.

21 humanoids
12 warriors + 6 minions + agent + shaman + warrior boss
+ Minotaur to make it 22 total

That's a bloody good deal. Just painting up some of the ZBP miniatures and for board games they are absolutely stunning, made this one an auto-pledge for me that's for sure!

**Myrthe**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Theophony wrote:
How about a baby dragon then, or a clutch of eggs with a newly hatched dragon.

I have been waiting on getting a clutch of baby dragons eating a princess ever since I watched The Sword and the Sorceror back in the '80s.

I think the movie that had that scene was "Dragonslayer".

Now I want to go back and watch both

**Darkjim**

Pacific wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Theophony wrote:
And now building a troglodytes army becomes possible by buying multiple boxes @$35 (or $28 from miniature market) 20 humanoid figs and the Minotaur for 35.

21 humanoids
12 warriors + 6 minions + agent + shaman + warrior boss
+ Minotaur to make it 22 total

That's a bloody good deal. Just painting up some of the ZBP miniatures and for board games they are absolutely stunning, made this one an auto-pledge for me that's for sure!

I just bought ZBP to see what PVC minis were like and how they painted, and yeah, they are brilliant, really easy to paint, superb value for money. Another auto-pledge here.

**Aeneades**

I can't link images from phone but the Black Plague addon is now available. Only $8 and a very impressive about of contents. Only obvious thing missing for me was the Crowz but don't really see many Crows in dungeons so not a big omission.

**Mutter**

**Alpharius**

Nice!

The Black Plague Crossover Set is a Kickstarter Exclusive Optional Buy that brings you over 50 cards to allow you to use a lot of the retail content from Zombicide: Black Plague in Massive Darkness. It will also allow you to use all of the Massive Darkness Heroes as Survivors in Zombicide: Black Plague!

Of course, a Zombicide: Black Plague core box is necessary to use this content, and some of it requires a few of the expansion boxes. Please note this Crossover Set will not be available on retail.

Black Plague Survivors as Massive Darkness Heroes

The Crossover Set comes with 15 Hero Cards to bring the main Black Plague Survivors as Heroes in Massive Darkness.

6 Heroes from the Black Plague core box
4 Heroes from the Wulfsburg expansion
5 Heroes from the Hero Box-1 expansion

Converting all 50 Survivors from the 13 Special Guest Boxes, and 23 Kickstarter Exclusive Survivors would not be possible, so we focused on these Survivors that are easily available at retail.

Black Plague Survivors as Massive Darkness Heroes.

Black Plague Zombies as Massive Darkness Enemies

The Crossover Set includes 19 Guard cards to bring many Zombies as Mobs and Agents:

Walkers from the Black Plague core box are a Mob, with a Fatty as the Boss.
Runners from the Black Plague core box are a Mob, with the Abomination as the Boss.
Necromancer from the Black Plague core box is an Agent.
Wolfz from the Wulfsburg expansion are a Mob, with the Wolfbomination as the Boss.
Deadeye Walkers are a Mob, using one sculpt as the Minions, and another as the Boss.

There are also 6 Roaming Monster cards to use the Abominations from the Zombie Bosses Abomination Pack:

Abominatroll
Ablobination
Abominotaur

Again, we are not including the Kickstarter Exclusive Abominations in the set, only those available on retail.

Black Plague Zombies as Massive Darkness Enemies.

Massive Darkness Heroes as Black Plague Survivors

Finally, the Crossover Set will allow you to bring ALL the Massive Darkness Heroes to Black Plague as Survivors.

6 Survivors from the Massive Darkness core box
5 Survivors from unlocked Stretch Goals
ANY other characters we reveal during this campaign!

Massive Darkness Heroes as Black Plague Survivors.

If you're interested in purchasing any of this optional buy, please just click the "Manage Your Pledge" button on the Massive Darkness Kickstarter page and in the pledge manager add the amount of the items you'd like to get. We'll sort out what your extra money is going towards after the campaign has closed and we've sent out our Pledge Manager.

**plastictrees**

Awesome!
Glad they didn't try to provide stats for every single BP hero, a lot of them are almost interchangeable anyway.

**Darkjim**

Yep, that just makes the whole thing even cooler, ZBP models will be painted and ready to go when MD lands.

Probably.

**usernamesareannoying**

so im not 100% on how kickstarters work.
does this mean that I could pledge at $1 and then throw in $8 for this optional buy?