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@Theophony- I don't know if they have, as I haven't backed most of their kickstarters. Black Plague did have extra tile sets for an add on purchase those were already existing.

I was using the Shadows over Brimstone example as a cool idea, but to be honest, figures seem to be CMoN's strong suit. Probably easier to market due to smaller packaging/combining packaging and are much lighter to ship.

$1.73 million! yay!

 adamsouza wrote:
Every time I read the KS comments it makes me

I'm not going to shame any individuals, but this is some of what it comes across as:

I don't own anything Black Plague, but I want all the Black Plague Cross over heroes, and I don't want to actually support CMON or GG by buying Black Plague to get those heroes. CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not offering all the crossover heroes as an add on

I already have doors from another game, but I want the bridges. Why isn't there a Bridge only add on? CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not offering just bridges as an add on

I've never backed a kickstarter before and I don't want to pay for add-ons. CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not making all the add on items free and permanent upgrades to the box set

That's eerily accurate. You could probably find those quotes word for word in the comments right now.

I do understand the first point. I'm backing Massive Darkness, but don't own anything Black Plague. If I want to add the extra heroes, it's not $8. It's $8 + whatever I have to pay for Black Plague/Wulfsburg/Hero Box 1. In that sense, it's not a very good value given that I'm not really interested in playing Black Plague. I have Zombicide Season 3 and it was a big fail with my group. I'd love it if they offered the heroes along with the conversion kit, but I get that's not going to happen. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to say "I like the idea of a crossover, but don't actually want to buy TWO games today. Can you sell me just the parts I need and can use with this new game you're actively trying to talk me into buying right now?"

Think of the $8 add-on more as a benefit to owners of Z: BP rather than something CMON is actively trying to get anyone to buy.

They'll be more than OK with you in fact buying Z: BP, but I don' t think that was the 'point' of the add-on.

Also, maybe they don't want to/don't have the logistics to 'break up' a bunch of Z: BP boxes?

It did seem to generate quite a few pledge increases for them though.

Agreed- it was a smart move on their part to add synergy between the games, at very low overhead for them.

It also made me buy BP now that I (FINALLY) got my tax return back. Sadly I had to go to ebay for it- being broke during BP really was a bummer.

It's a marketing ploy, and a good one.

It pushed existing ZBP players who were on the fence, about backing Massive Darkness, over it. Even if you don't like Massive Darkness turns out, it's okay because it's the new ZBP expansion.

Backing Massive Darkness, and you would like additional heroes ? Just pick up ZBP and it's expansions because now they are Massive Darkness expansions as well.

I bought backed the B-Sieged Kickstarter, a game I have zero intention of ever playing, mostly for the Zombicide Black Plague Crossover Heroes.

I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to say "I like the idea of a crossover, but don't actually want to buy TWO games today. Can you sell me just the parts I need and can use with this new game you're actively trying to talk me into buying right now?"

But it is. First off, you don't need anything from ZBP to play MD. Secondly, the crossover covers the heroes and the monsters. There is no reason you couldn't use the tiles as well. The only thing that isn't useful to a striclty MD player from ZBP is the dice and counters. Finally, It also defeats half the purpose of the crossover, which is to get more people to buy and play ZBP.

Im pretty happy with the size of this KS as is, Maybe they deliver sooner because they didnt try to do more than they anticipated. Having been a backer of Kingdom Death, I dont ever want to revisit that type of campaign again.

I honestly want more minion enemies and board tiles and such. I'm not a huge fan of everything being wandering monsters right now.

I'm happy for the expansion deck because it allows me to use the hordes of generic fantasy heroes and zombies I already own, without having to pay for redundant models! Much better for rules completionists than individual $10 characters.

16 days to go - give it time!

But do voice your opinion in the comments section, or probably better yet, directly to CMON via the KS messaging system.

 Alpharius wrote:
16 days to go - give it time!

But do voice your opinion in the comments section, or probably better yet, directly to CMON via the KS messaging system.

You dare send us to THAT place For Shame.

 Kriswall wrote:
I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to say "I like the idea of a crossover, but don't actually want to buy TWO games today. Can you sell me just the parts I need and can use with this new game you're actively trying to talk me into buying right now?"

The additional cost of repackaging content, including the rigmarole of a separate packing line at the factory, pulling out components from the main line, and lower demand for the product cost the Cthulhu Wars folk more than the costs of buying the miniatures separately from the game. I think you're better off buying the $8 add-on and proxying with your own miniatures, or even trading it later to late BGG'ers who somehow won't have pledged in time for a modest profit.

Even with just the Z:BP base game, you're getting 71 miniatures for $80. That's not a bad price, but should go lower and you can find a sale. It's not like you need Z:BP now, since MD isn't arriving any time soon and you haven't played through all the MD content yet. Z is selling on Amazon for $60, and Z:RM is already selling for $60. So Z:BP may do so as well. Also, I've seen good prices on Battle Bin for Zombicide mini's, so watch for a Z:BP one. You may also find the mini's sold on eBay, or from a BGG'er who doesn't believe in plastic.

 Kriswall wrote:


I do understand the first point. I'm backing Massive Darkness, but don't own anything Black Plague. If I want to add the extra heroes, it's not $8. It's $8 + whatever I have to pay for Black Plague/Wulfsburg/Hero Box 1. In that sense, it's not a very good value given that I'm not really interested in playing Black Plague. I have Zombicide Season 3 and it was a big fail with my group. I'd love it if they offered the heroes along with the conversion kit, but I get that's not going to happen. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to say "I like the idea of a crossover, but don't actually want to buy TWO games today. Can you sell me just the parts I need and can use with this new game you're actively trying to talk me into buying right now?"

Well, it's a boardgame, not an a la carte miniatures game. I don't think it's especially feasable to sell "just parts" unless you want to go via bits vendors. You're also being just a little disinegenuous. The $8 ZBP conversion kit is a bit of a crossover/friendly nod to ZBP players and owners. On the other hand, if you're not a ZBP player/owner/fan, it's still piss-easy to sort it out.

To get the extra heroes, it's $8 for the cards plus whatever Reaper Bones/Citadel/Reaper/Otherworld/Ral Partha/WotC/etc models you want to use for the extra heroes - and undead as well for that matter!

Next goal is up!




Yet another roaming monster! We do have a sculpt for it at least!

a wandering monster again,

but a really cool one

I have no funds to get in on this, but this and the weretiger I'll have to hunt down on ebay . Sigh

This is simply great for a D&D dungeon master. I can run so many campaigns with these figures alone and so many interesting monsters. Same for Z:BP.

I know people are like 'why so many roaming?' I feel like CMoN knows what they are doing in regard to that as this has a BONES-Like appeal in figure count and theme. And this material and sculpts are better than Bones.

On the heels of the Oni's "tail", this bear seems to have a lot of .... junk... on him.

Although I do like that this one doesn't seem as top heavy as many of the other monsters.

Nice!!! Reminds me of the werebear Geronimo from Wild West Exodus:

And another piece for my lycanthrope KOW herd army now all we need is another add on to unlock him in the next few days.

After a lot of thinking, I'm probably going to drop my pledge. Nothing to do with the campaign or game, just the face that it'll never see the table. I haven't had much luck getting my group into big box board games. I've got Zombicide season 2 and Toxic City Mall, which has seen the table once. I have Imperial Assault, which has likewise seen the table once. Both of which I want to play more before adding more board games to my collection.

The value is huge, but other board games will come along, I'm sure. Right now, it just doesn't seem like a wise expenditure of hobby money

Ok - I do like the Werebear, but I'll now join the chorus of 'More Minions!' Voices too!

Also, now at $90k stretches?

I don't get why people are complaining about the roaming monsters. What you encounter in rooms is random
More roaming monsters means more diversity in those encounters.

A lot of these roaming monsters are also exclusive. I'm willing to wager that it costs CMON / GG less to produce 1 big cool roaming monster than a half dozen cannon fodder minions.

As a collector and gamer I rather get big impressive exclusive miniatures than small minions that will so be available for sale later.

It is less 'moaning about wandering monsters' and more 'wanting more minions', I think.

Who wouldn't want tons of free miniatures ?

They already gave us more of all the starter box minions.
They gave us a $35 box worth of Troglodytes.

My point is that it much more likely, and fiscally responsible, for CMON to offer us single wandering monsters than hordes of minions.

Zombicide always offered us a few boxes of minions types. Even ZBP offered us wolves and NPCs.

We'll likely see another minion box or two before this is over, and likely some more free minions, but every time they give us free minions they are cannibalizing potential box set sales. Where every time they give us an exclusive wandering monster, it's a further incentive to back the KS that doesn't hurt future potential sales.

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Any word on if we can double up on pledges, like usual ?

That's an awful lot of miniatures for $120, and the total is only going to get higher.

Even add-on minions would make many people happy - and make CMON a lot more money too!

And with the 'freebies' now coming at $90K intervals?

I think CMON will be OK - and have planned accordingly!

As Alpha said, no one is asking for free minions but add-ons, and the artist packs I'd like have traditionally been add-ons as well. The fact that CMON hasn't introduced them yet is what's both puzzling and worrisome to me, since I was hoping for some of a more ambitious campaign than what we've seen so far.

 greywulf wrote:
As Alpha said, no one is asking for free minions but add-ons,...

Well, I don't know about that!

According to adam, over in the KS comments section, people are even asking for free Nazi solider minions, apparently?

 greywulf wrote:

and the artist packs I'd like have traditionally been add-ons as well. The fact that CMON hasn't introduced them yet is what's both puzzling and worrisome to me, since I was hoping for some of a more ambitious campaign than what we've seen so far.

I don't think well be seeing many (any?) 'Guest Artists Packs' this time around.

And I'm really surprised there haven't been more larger, more substantial paid add-ons like campaign expansions or minion boxes yet,

BUT, there's still over two weeks to go - so there's time!

 adamsouza wrote:


Any word on if we can double up on pledges, like usual ?

That's an awful lot of miniatures for $120, and the total is only going to get higher.

The FAQ on the project does say they allow multiple pledges. :-)

 adamsouza wrote:
My point is that it much more likely, and fiscally responsible, for CMON to offer us single wandering monsters than hordes of minions.

How so?

The cost of the molds is expensive compared to the plastic. Once the mold is paid for, the cost per miniature is negligible, pennies for the plastic pellets. Based on that, it's less expensive to have SG's providing more copies of existing mini's.

Likewise, some of the SG's *have* been in quantity, such as the trogs, chests, and pillars.

OTOH, I'd like to know what else goes into the cost of making a miniature. I know pre-assembly costs Reaper about a penny per mini. Multi-piece molds cost more, I think because each part is sorta equivalent to an individual single-piece miniature. Dunno about retail packaging.

I'm fine either way. Reaper's charging $6 for a large Bones miniature. We already have almost 20 Roaming Monsters, so that's $120 of miniatures already. The terrain add-ons are also great deals. Hard to find bridges and matching pillars at those prices!

nkelsch wrote:
This is simply great for a D&D dungeon master. I can run so many campaigns with these figures alone and so many interesting monsters. Same for Z:BP.

AMEN! Even if this game never sees the light of day, the minis are going to be plaguing my players for years to come!

FMPOV: CMON designs games around shipping packaging and they've gotten VERY clever at it. When my KSs from them show up, they arrive in one box per wave and it's jammed packed to the gils in a way that makes Tetris proud. All the stretch goals get wrapped up into boxed sets (ala the Trogs in this one) or they get put into 1 sheet (ala BP and other Zombicides). So it's just a matter of how they are going to package up the KS extras into those boxes that will effect the total variety.

Toward the end of Blood Rage (Spelling?) they unlocked the Ragnarok wolf and said "that's it! no more"- there was an end goal in site. Not sure if that's the same here.

I like the idea of more factions, as that gives more variety to play. Undead (BP), Trogs, Goblins, Dwarves is a good mix, but I think we could do a 5th or 6th faction. More minons the better!