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Lord Tusk blog post http://monster-zer0.blogspot.ie/2016/07/massive-darkness-lord-tusk.html

He's a lot smaller than I thought he was

What's the base size on the Ablobination in that size comparison pic? Still looks pretty beefy to me, I'll be after one for anyone who doesn't want to keep theirs

Blob is on a 35mm base and is the same height (35mm approx) as the regular Abominations.

Hes an ok model, if you can get past the cleaver he could never actually wield.

Kinda wish we could have just picked the one 27$ kit we wanted though. Personally would have preferred the hellephant one.

Oh well it coulda have been worse they coulda used that bareassed cyclops one as SG material.

 xevv wrote:
Hes an ok model, if you can get past the cleaver he could never actually wield.

Kinda wish we could have just picked the one 27$ kit we wanted though. Personally would have preferred the hellephant one.

Oh well it coulda have been worse they coulda used that bareassed cyclops one as SG material.

Tusk reminds me of a Trollblood. Not necessarily a bad thing but definitely getting the cartoonishly oversized weapons PP vibe from it.

Lord Tusk is VERY obviously an Ogre Tyrant (even including the weapon options) from GW's Ogre/Ogor line. :-) As a player of said armies... i'm digging it.

Lord Tusk is fine - he's an Ogre with a huge sword and a much huge-er sword.

Thing is, with Conan, SDE Legends and Journey Wave 2 all notionally inbound (for me) between now and when MD might deliver, I'm not sure I need to add a $150 Dungeon Crawler on top of it all. The more I think about it, the more I think I really should just pass on this one.

$1 added to my pledge to cover you dropping out!

Nice!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Lord Tusk is fine - he's an Ogre with a huge sword and a much huge-er sword.

Thing is, with Conan, SDE Legends and Journey Wave 2 all notionally inbound (for me) between now and when MD might deliver, I'm not sure I need to add a $150 Dungeon Crawler on top of it all. The more I think about it, the more I think I really should just pass on this one.

Two out of three ain't bad? I don't think we'll see Jw2 for a long, long time - if ever. Considering that CMON are giving roughly a year to fulfil this, and they're a company with their ducks in a row in terms of sculpts, etc and more importantly - production facilities and shipping/distribution lined up

Yeah, pretty much, although it looks like Conan is closest to delivering. Journey is kinda quiet, but at least the stuff they show is nice; need patience here. SDE is hung up in rules, but will be nice enough when it finally delivers.

MD clearly has rules / balance issues, but CMoN has a history of consistently delivering product. Story mode is still very much an open question, and it could delay the release.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yeah, pretty much, although it looks like Conan is closest to delivering. Journey is kinda quiet, but at least the stuff they show is nice; need patience here. SDE is hung up in rules, but will be nice enough when it finally delivers.

MD clearly has rules / balance issues, but CMoN has a history of consistently delivering product. Story mode is still very much an open question, and it could delay the release.

It does?

I guess I wasn't really aware of any/many, but I guess I'm also not too worried as there's more than enough time to use this 'open beta' to fine tune/tweak/fix them too.

Same goes for 'Story Mode', though I would like to know more about that before the campaign ends, but I don't think that's happening.

The thing is that MD is one of the first of the CMON KS where they're adding in an additional 3-6 months to fulfilment, since they've finally realised that they can't actually deliver on their previous promises, and it's simply hurting their rep with people who don't take "but kickstarter" as a total and perfect explanation anymore from a company that has run about 4,235 of them. The extra time gives them plenty of time to nut out the rules, and they typically are more open with them than many other companies. SDE is doing well in this regard as well, I have to say - when it finally gets sent out it will have been thoroughly playtested. I just hope it's before June 2017.

Journey I pretty much have no faith in at this point. It's akin to Robotech Tactics, IMO.

@Alphy - to me, Conan looks closer than Journey Wave 2, SDE:Legends or Massive Darkness. Just my opinion, though.

Balance-wise, it seems that Shadow Mode is not balanced against non-Shadow Mode. It was categorically better for non-Melee Heroes, and adding a bonus attack action makes it a no-brainer for non-Melee Heroes. Again, just my opinion.

I don't believe that Story Mode exists at all - it's something that backers wanted, and will need to be created as an alternative to the existing rules.

I agree with Az that the extra time is a good thing, and suspect that Story Mode and playtesting could use a bunch of it. Same with SDE:Legends needing more playtesting, esp. when Legends gets created.

I just hope they DO use the extra time to playtest, tighten everything up AND get a really good story mode developed.

Confidence is high, as Black Plague is a good game - I think they'll be able to pull it off.

I read that Story Mode was originally part of Organized Play.

Speaking of the not-GW Ogre, I'd like to see CMON have a generic fantasy miniatures wargame (cf. Wrath of Kings) that uses the MD miniatures. Seems CMON gets it, that crossovers sell mini's!

And GW's crossovers like SHulk, BaC, IKR, don't sell minis?

ced1106 wrote:I read that Story Mode was originally part of Organized Play.

Speaking of the not-GW Ogre, I'd like to see CMON have a generic fantasy miniatures wargame (cf. Wrath of Kings) that uses the MD miniatures. Seems CMON gets it, that crossovers sell mini's!

CMON has had surprisingly few crossovers using their own properties, for some reason...

I think they want WoK to be their fantasy miniatures wargame, though its decidedly not generic!

JohnHwangDD wrote:And GW's crossovers like SHulk, BaC, IKR, don't sell minis?

Objection - relevance?

Was he not implying that GW did not "get" the crossover effect?

Anyhow, with the bloom off the rose and a cooler head, I went and pulled my MD pledge, not even keeping the $1 in for updates. Not that CMoN will fail to deliver a game with a fair value, but for me:
1. $120 + ~$30 CA S&H is awfully expensive when my friends aren't enthused
2. Basic rules aren't quite right, and Story Mode is tbd
3. I don't need another dungeon / campaign game that directly overlap SDE:Legends / KD:M.
4. I don't need another pile o' minis that overlaps Conan
5. It's not boutique like Journey or KD:M.

I think this is largely similar to my feelings on Ninja All Stars, Blood Rage and the Others, where a favorable minis/dollar ratio doesn't outweigh the fact that I'm just adding to the pile.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Anyhow, with the bloom off the rose and a cooler head, I went and pulled my MD pledge, not even keeping the $1 in for updates. Not that CMoN will fail to deliver a game with a fair value, but for me:

For me, I'm in for the $120 + S&H because this was the game I really wanted and bought Z:BP. If I had a time machine...

Now if it was this OR the KD heroes game, I'd drop this in nano-seconds. But as it is this can sit next to Z:BP and my D&D board games.

Iain.

Oh, no doubt MD is far more compelling than Z:BP. By far. There are more interesting mechanics and tactics available.

I'm actually kinda hoping for KD:Heroes to launch later this year.

I haven't pledged for this yet, but given how popular Zombicide is/was here, along with Black Plague I can see it getting a lot of play, so I'll probably get 2x the base pledge and get a few extras since I can build a KoW army or two out of the models - and I love dual-use.

OT: How do you use your ownminiatures in KoW, anyway? I know I could use an orc grunt mini in KoW, but how would I use a "heroic" miniature or "boss" monster? That is, would I be able to give it special abilities?

I know you can do this with Song of Blade and Heroes, but don't know how you do this with KoW. TIA!

ced1106 wrote:
OT: How do you use your ownminiatures in KoW, anyway? I know I could use an orc grunt mini in KoW, but how would I use a "heroic" miniature or "boss" monster? That is, would I be able to give it special abilities?

I know you can do this with Song of Blade and Heroes, but don't know how you do this with KoW. TIA!

For example on the larger boss figures it depends on what army your using.

I'm using my figs from B-Sieged(the Molen) to counts as an ogre army. I'm using the Avatar (large model) as a mammoth and giving it a ballista upgrade (it breathing fire ). I'm also using some of the large figures from Blood Rage in the same army (the flaming monkey giant and the frost giant painted up as flaming) as Giants.

I'm also building a Herd army using all were creatures (lycans). I'm using figs from CMoN's wrath of Kings Gorsiti and old confrontation line as well as a few other figs from other manufacturers as the tribals. In this army I'm using the Blood Rage Fenrir model to counts as the Avatar of the Father. Also using one of the larger Gorsiti werewolves as a Lyman alpha and giving him a magic upgrade to explain his steam powered armor and weapon.

Each army differs in what you can take and each of those choices has options on what you can give them. Each entry also has a base size for the model, but KOW is also flexible with how many models per base so you can go a little larger figures and just have a few less on the base.

Lord tusks here and the next add-on is a campaign booklet and the fact they will be double siding the Crystal and Lava tiles.

 Llamahead wrote:
Lord tusks here and the next add-on is a campaign booklet and the fact they will be double siding the Crystal and Lava tiles.

Which means 6 tiles total, at least from my reading of the comments section and not 3tiles with the crystal on one side and the lava on the other. Am I right with that? It's late and I find the wording ambiguous

Also if my count is right (once again it's late) that's now 143 miniatures and 25 terrain elements in the base pledge .

Yes it 6 tiles total

On a related note, following backers' suggestions we have decided that the back of the Lava tiles will contain copies of the Crystal tiles, and the back of the Crystal tiles will contain copies of the Lava tiles. And to add even more layout possibilities, we will be mirroring the art on the back of these tiles, thus creating new corridor and room setups in most of the reverse sides!

The reverse of the tiles will have the other environments artwork but not just a copy it will be mirrored - flipped across an axis so it can't be just 3 tiles it must be 6

 Theophony wrote:

ced1106 wrote:
OT: How do you use your ownminiatures in KoW, anyway? I know I could use an orc grunt mini in KoW, but how would I use a "heroic" miniature or "boss" monster? That is, would I be able to give it special abilities?

I know you can do this with Song of Blade and Heroes, but don't know how you do this with KoW. TIA!

For example on the larger boss figures it depends on what army your using.

I'm using my figs from B-Sieged(the Molen) to counts as an ogre army. I'm using the Avatar (large model) as a mammoth and giving it a ballista upgrade (it breathing fire ). I'm also using some of the large figures from Blood Rage in the same army (the flaming monkey giant and the frost giant painted up as flaming) as Giants.

I'm also building a Herd army using all were creatures (lycans). I'm using figs from CMoN's wrath of Kings Gorsiti and old confrontation line as well as a few other figs from other manufacturers as the tribals. In this army I'm using the Blood Rage Fenrir model to counts as the Avatar of the Father. Also using one of the larger Gorsiti werewolves as a Lyman alpha and giving him a magic upgrade to explain his steam powered armor and weapon.

Each army differs in what you can take and each of those choices has options on what you can give them. Each entry also has a base size for the model, but KOW is also flexible with how many models per base so you can go a little larger figures and just have a few less on the base.

Theo explained it well. - Link to your P&M blog with the army pics, makes it easier for people to visualise.

I like the sound of what they're doing with the extra tiles. Now we just need some missions to use them in!

 Azazelx wrote:
I like the sound of what they're doing with the extra tiles. Now we just need some missions to use them in!

Stretch goal that makes them double sided also has a 6 quest mini campaign to use the tiles, and environmental effects for the tiles.

Ah, coolio!