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why use grimorie on be'lakor'? he already has shrouded and anyway shrouded doesn't grant you survive, many armies have ways to overcome shroud and when they do be'lakor die quick.

Using Grimoire on Belakor isn't a bad idea, actually. You can always just fly him off the board or fly behind LoS blocking terrain if Grim fails. Belakor doesn't have to be on the board for the Tetrad to get its bonuses, while Belakor is also weaker than the other Princes

However the next question is who has the Grim? All your DPs should have 2x Greater rewards and at 1850 you won't have points for a Herald to put Grim on. You will at 2k however, so if that's the plan, sure, keep the Grimiore.
Worst case scenario, you decide not to swap for Grim, the Portalglyph is a good idea to spawn some WC in the form of Horrors.

He's playing 2k so he has the space.

if you want paly grim in that list you must play kairos, a failed grim could be lethal.

So, I ran the Tetrad yesterday against quite a tough space wolf friend of mine. We played s standard BRB maelstrom mission as it was a friendly game. So no ITC or NOVA formats or anything. I wanted 1850 points, but he wanted 2K. So we went for 2K. I took the Tetrad with a daemons CAD. The CAD had Be'Lakor, a herald on disc, 10 horrors and 3 nurglings. The Tetrad was kitted out with 2 greaters each, ML3 everywhere, a lesser on all but the nurgle and relics on all but the slannesh. Armour of scorn, impossible robes, and corruption.

I pulled a LOT of defensive powers, and with them I quickly realised how god damn resilient this list is. It took a crap tonne of punishment and survived. He managed to kill Be'Lakor on turn 4 and the Khorne prince on turn 5. Then I tabled him on turn 6. I was exceptionally impressed with its durability. Yet a pretty decent damage output.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I pulled a LOT of defensive powers, and with them I quickly realised how god damn resilient this list is. It took a crap tonne of punishment and survived. He managed to kill Be'Lakor on turn 4 and the Khorne prince on turn 5. Then I tabled him on turn 6. I was exceptionally impressed with its durability. Yet a pretty decent damage output.

4++ FNP and 'Rerolling Invulns' make for one insanely durable unit. If you got the warlord trait of +1 invuln, and cast cursed earth thats a 3++ rerollable, combined with a 4++ FNP. That's a 1/18 chance of taking any wound delivered.

I've not tried the tetrad yet but after hearing the good reports here I'm keen to give it a try. It will probably be in a Maelstrom game so I think it best to take it in a Daemonic Incursion detachment as that Daemonic Corruption ability is great for that format. I'm thinking of a Tallyband and Tetrad list as follows, is this the best load out for that combo or are there any recommended changes? This is at 1850 btw. Also I play in a low grav meta so the Warp Forged armour isn't a big worry for this.

Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell 125
6x 3x Nurgling 270
10x Plaguebearers 90

Command - Infernal Tetrad
DP of Khorne, Flight, Armour of Scorn, 2xGR, 1xLR 280
DP of Nurgle, Flight, Corruption, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 360
DP of Slaanesh, Flight, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 330
DP of Tzeentch, Flight, Impossible Robes, ML3, 2xGR, 1xLR 360

Auxiliary - Daemon Flock
5x Furies 35

Herald would join Plaguebearers and probably lurk in some backfield ruins. Nurglings to infiltrate/DS and deny overwatch against DPs by charging things first. DPs to stay on the ground apart from maybe the Slaanesh one with a lash and Psychic Shriek.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell 125
6x 3x Nurgling 270
10x Plaguebearers 90

Command - Infernal Tetrad
DP of Khorne, Flight, Armour of Scorn, 2xGR, 1xLR 280
DP of Nurgle, Flight, Corruption, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 360
DP of Slaanesh, Flight, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 330
DP of Tzeentch, Flight, Impossible Robes, ML3, 2xGR, 1xLR 360

Auxiliary - Daemon Flock
5x Furies 35

Herald would join Plaguebearers and probably lurk in some backfield ruins. Nurglings to infiltrate/DS and deny overwatch against DPs by charging things first. DPs to stay on the ground apart from maybe the Slaanesh one with a lash and Psychic Shriek.

This is almost the exact list I ran the other day, except my Herald was only ML1 so that he and the PB champ could have Etherblades just in case.
Make sure to throw a grenade from the Nurglings before charging in. If the unit doesn't get blinded, it may not be a great idea to have them in combat with the DP, because your opponent can just hit them and make you possible lose combat. Your DP does NOT want to take Instability.

Hmm yeah that is a good point even with the reroll instability tests from the Detachment benefit. Perhaps the Nurglings will be best as a nuisance unit unless there's a strong shooting unit but poor in CC that you're pretty confident the DP can kill most of in combat before they retort.

 Galef wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:

Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell 125
6x 3x Nurgling 270
10x Plaguebearers 90

Command - Infernal Tetrad
DP of Khorne, Flight, Armour of Scorn, 2xGR, 1xLR 280
DP of Nurgle, Flight, Corruption, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 360
DP of Slaanesh, Flight, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 330
DP of Tzeentch, Flight, Impossible Robes, ML3, 2xGR, 1xLR 360

Auxiliary - Daemon Flock
5x Furies 35

Herald would join Plaguebearers and probably lurk in some backfield ruins. Nurglings to infiltrate/DS and deny overwatch against DPs by charging things first. DPs to stay on the ground apart from maybe the Slaanesh one with a lash and Psychic Shriek.

This is almost the exact list I ran the other day, except my Herald was only ML1 so that he and the PB champ could have Etherblades just in case.
Make sure to throw a grenade from the Nurglings before charging in. If the unit doesn't get blinded, it may not be a great idea to have them in combat with the DP, because your opponent can just hit them and make you possible lose combat. Your DP does NOT want to take Instability.

Just keep in mind that the "thrown" grenades won't affect most Tau units.

I'm building a Tetrad list right now and trying to figure out what I want to do with the rest of my points. I've got the models for either the Tallyband or a Be'lakor CAD. However, I just saw the rules for the new Renegade Knights.

Is this a dumb plan, or a good plan?

1850 Points:
Infernal Tetrad
····Daemon Prince of Khorne [Armour of Scorn, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight]
····Daemon Prince of Nurgle [2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Slaanesh [2x Greater Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [The Impossible Robe, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]

Chaos Renegade Knights Forsworn Knight Detachment
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]

I pulled out a ML from each psyker prince to make it work. Would it be better to have the levels distributed more towards one prince?

Symbiode wrote:
I'm building a Tetrad list right now and trying to figure out what I want to do with the rest of my points. I've got the models for either the Tallyband or a Be'lakor CAD. However, I just saw the rules for the new Renegade Knights.

Is this a dumb plan, or a good plan?

1850 Points:
Infernal Tetrad
····Daemon Prince of Khorne [Armour of Scorn, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight]
····Daemon Prince of Nurgle [2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Slaanesh [2x Greater Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [The Impossible Robe, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]

Chaos Renegade Knights Forsworn Knight Detachment
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]

I pulled out a ML from each psyker prince to make it work. Would it be better to have the levels distributed more towards one prince?

Just at a glance that looks to be well over 1850.

The CC-Knights are only about 325 each so it's doable. However, Knights don't make for very good objective-babysitters and squander their potential in that role. I'd rather go 1 knight and a Daemon CAD for objective purposes.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell 125
6x 3x Nurgling 270
10x Plaguebearers 90

Command - Infernal Tetrad
DP of Khorne, Flight, Armour of Scorn, 2xGR, 1xLR 280
DP of Nurgle, Flight, Corruption, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 360
DP of Slaanesh, Flight, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 330
DP of Tzeentch, Flight, Impossible Robes, ML3, 2xGR, 1xLR 360

Auxiliary - Daemon Flock
5x Furies 35.

If you are not taking Be'lakor this is the standard. Personally I perfer soulstealer over Corrupion, though both are good options.


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 jy2 wrote:
The CC-Knights are only about 325 each so it's doable. However, Knights don't make for very good objective-babysitters and squander their potential in that role. I'd rather go 1 knight and a Daemon CAD for objective purposes.

What I like about this approach is that is also frees up a few more points for the knight. A bare bones knight at 325 makes me a little worried. I would rather make sure they have a mark.

 labmouse42 wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Core - Tallyband
Herald, ML2, Doomsday Bell 125
6x 3x Nurgling 270
10x Plaguebearers 90

Command - Infernal Tetrad
DP of Khorne, Flight, Armour of Scorn, 2xGR, 1xLR 280
DP of Nurgle, Flight, Corruption, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 360
DP of Slaanesh, Flight, ML3, Armour, 2xGR 330
DP of Tzeentch, Flight, Impossible Robes, ML3, 2xGR, 1xLR 360

Auxiliary - Daemon Flock
5x Furies 35.

If you are not taking Be'lakor this is the standard. Personally I perfer soulstealer over Corrupion, though both are good options.


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 jy2 wrote:
The CC-Knights are only about 325 each so it's doable. However, Knights don't make for very good objective-babysitters and squander their potential in that role. I'd rather go 1 knight and a Daemon CAD for objective purposes.

What I like about this approach is that is also frees up a few more points for the knight. A bare bones knight at 325 makes me a little worried. I would rather make sure they have a mark.

it's the new Renegade knight; doesn't yet have rules for a mark as far as i know. Can take double ranged weapons though, so double battle cannon might work.

The double battle cannon adds a lot to the cast and I'd probably recommend that gatling cannon more.

I liked running the Tetrad with Belakor and a knight, so I'll probably do the same with the new renegade knights. I expect I'll do one with two guns and have to cut belakor out to give more buffs to the tetrad though.

 Swampmist wrote:
it's the new Renegade knight; doesn't yet have rules for a mark as far as i know. Can take double ranged weapons though, so double battle cannon might work.

What book is it from? I'd like to look into this.

Another good perk of the Tetrad is that they are easy to carry. I'm looking at flying out to the BAO, and the idea of bringing 5 models with me is appealing.

New dataslate in the 2 knight game. The Renegade knight is basically every knight pattern mashed into one, and can upgrade either arm to any of the shooting weapons. So tetrad+double gattling knight is a very real thing.

yes a tetrad with a renegade with double gatling cannon+heavy flamer and missiles sound appealing to me alot

Yeah, the renegade knight is a dream come true for both my daemons and my renegades and heretics, who previously couldn't take knights at all. Getting a legitimate knight formation was is just awesome. Now I just need my lgs to hold one for a week. until I get paid.

 Swampmist wrote:
New dataslate in the 2 knight game. The Renegade knight is basically every knight pattern mashed into one, and can upgrade either arm to any of the shooting weapons. So tetrad+double gattling knight is a very real thing.

At 2k points it is. I've ran the numbers, and can only find a way to fit one in an 1850 list.
This is the best I can make. You need to buff up your princes to make it work.
Tetrad
Khorne Prince w/Wings, Greater, Greater, Lesser, Armor or Scorn
Tzeentch Prince w/Wings, Lesser, Greater, Greater, Impossible Robe
Nurgle Prince w/Wings, Warp Armor, Greater, Greater, Grotti
Slaanesh Prince w/Wings, Warp Armor, Greater, Greater, Soulstealer

Renegade Knights
Renegade Knight w/Dual Avenger Cannon and Stormspear Pod

Thoughts
I chose Grotti to go on the nurgle prince, as syngarizes really well with the dual avenger gatling cannon.
I'm not sold that this solves the problems of the Tetrad -- namely having problems with enemy GMCs.


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Symbiode wrote:
I'm building a Tetrad list right now and trying to figure out what I want to do with the rest of my points. I've got the models for either the Tallyband or a Be'lakor CAD. However, I just saw the rules for the new Renegade Knights.

Is this a dumb plan, or a good plan?

1850 Points:
Infernal Tetrad
····Daemon Prince of Khorne [Armour of Scorn, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight]
····Daemon Prince of Nurgle [2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Slaanesh [2x Greater Reward, Flight, ML 2]
····Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [The Impossible Robe, 2x Greater Reward, 1x Lesser Reward, Flight, ML 2]

Chaos Renegade Knights Forsworn Knight Detachment
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]
····Renegade Knight [Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]

I pulled out a ML from each psyker prince to make it work. Would it be better to have the levels distributed more towards one prince?

We will have to test it and see. This is one of those things that might be awesome or horrible. The knights really fit in well with the facebeating aspect of the army -- but losing psychic levels is hard.
Also it's unknown if the formation will be legal in ITC as it has multiple super heavy walkers. I'm guessing it will be as they are all 'knights'.

If you're worried about loosing Warp charges by exchanging Be'lakor for a Knight, perhaps something along these lines might migitate the loss?

Tetrad
Khorne Prince, wings, armour of scorn, 2 greater, 1 lesser
Tzeench Prince, wings, ML3, Impossible robes, 1 lesser
Slaanesh Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater
Nurgle Prince, wings, armour, ML3, 2 greater

RENEGADE KNIGHT DETACHMENT
Renegade Knight, Meltagun, Battlecannon, Gatling gun, Missile pod

ALLIED DETATCHMENT
HQ
Herald of Nurgle + ML2
TROOPS
3xNurglings
1850pts

Herald (+ Nurglings) might be a little exposed, but you could summon some Plaguebearers to keep him company if needs be.

 jy2 wrote:

Just keep in mind that the "thrown" grenades won't affect most Tau units.

Any particular reason why not? I was fairly familiar with Tau before their new book and I have heard not much changed (other than a few significant new units and tons of formations). IIRC, nothing makes then immune to Blind. Did Blacksun filter change or am I just miss remembering?

Blacksun Filter makes them immune to blind and been like that since 6ed

 CrownAxe wrote:
Blacksun Filter makes them immune to blind and been like that since 6ed

Well &^$*! Here I thought BSF only ignored Night Fight. And I bet all suits still have BSF too.

Well there goes a good chuck of my "Nurglings are awesome" arguments. Only being able to Blind Necrons & Orks makes using the "poo-throwing" tactics a bit situational, rather than giving an edge against Tau.

 Galef wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Blacksun Filter makes them immune to blind and been like that since 6ed

Well &^$*! Here I thought BSF only ignored Night Fight. And I bet all suits still have BSF too.

Well there goes a good chuck of my "Nurglings are awesome" arguments. Only being able to Blind Necrons & Orks makes using the "poo-throwing" tactics a bit situational, rather than giving an edge against Tau.

Ironically, the Stormsurge doesn't have it, though all the other suits do.

 Galef wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Blacksun Filter makes them immune to blind and been like that since 6ed

Well &^$*! Here I thought BSF only ignored Night Fight. And I bet all suits still have BSF too.

Well there goes a good chuck of my "Nurglings are awesome" arguments. Only being able to Blind Necrons & Orks makes using the "poo-throwing" tactics a bit situational, rather than giving an edge against Tau.

Well at worst its a 1/6 chance to blind anything that isn't immune. Still worth throwing them! I mean, you still try to seize the initiative right? Don't forget about fear tests, at least tau have to take those!

Well against Tau, I suppose I can still blind Fire Warriors, StormSurges and most Marker light sourses, so that is something

Definitely use Defensive Grenades when possible. You won't believe how many times I throw them whenever I decide to use Plague Marines.

Just played against 5 Riptides. It was brutal. We played Vangaurd so I didn't see combat til turn 4, then I couldn't even wound because of their 3++ & FNP. I was pissed.
Tip for the future, Fly for 2 turns to make sure there is nowhere they can run. I landed turn 2 and because of that I wasn't close enough to charge until turn 4.

I only managed to kill 1 due to Psychic Shreik. I would have won on objectives, but a couple of Riptides squeezed out of their corner past the Princes and made short work of all my Nurglings....in combat non-the-less.
What I should have done was stay in the air on turn 2 and spread out to trap them all in his corner, try to shriek another one to death, land turn 3, then charge turn 4. Even if I couldn't kill them, they would not have been able to cap my objectives. The only saving grace in this whole game was that my WL trait was the -1BS/WS when targeted. It made if harder for him to do anything. I only lost the Slaanesh Princess, which was my fault for not casting Invisibility on her (or keeping her in the air)

We did come to the conclusion that Drones can be Blinded even if they are in a unit with Blacksun Filters. He had a unit of Crisis Suits with marker Drones and the Drones don't have BSF, so if I was able to get any Nurlgings in range (not possible), I could have attempted to blind them.

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