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That's probably why I don't recall them. I've only seen Bot5A the once. Even so, the Gundabad Orcs GW currently sell look nothing like their film counterparts.
Ahh, perhaps I should rephrase that - The helmets (Which is what Manchu was originally referring to) look little like those in the film - for the most part, the GW sculpts seem to have more exaggerated crests. They're still pretty nice though.
The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit sculpts are based on the artwork used in the Peter Jackson films (where applicable). It may be a case of a change in the film effects that didn't get passed on to GW for their sculpts.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Re-printing the source books is great news, I need the free peoples / fallen realms for my ent / uruk hai armies.
Also old models coming back is good, there are a couple I wish I had picked up years ago that went out of production.
I'm also interested in what new stuff they might come out with. I know there's a bunch of stuff from the battle of five armies, but to be honest they don't really interest me. Are we likely to see anything based on the lotr trilogy?
it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it.
A new starter would be brilliant. I never picked up Goblin Town as I'm waiting to see it discounted somewhere, but I would pick up another one if it was reasonably priced.
ImAGeek wrote: They're the Gundabad Orcs from the Battle of the 5 Armies. They did do models for them, but only like 6 in total and they were very expensive.
GW makes Gundabad Orcs >yes< but not ones with those helmets.
Ghaz wrote: It may be a case of a change in the film effects that didn't get passed on to GW for their sculpts.
Mr. Troke mentioned that the Bo5A release was marred by New Line changing a bunch of stuff in the middle of development. I'm sure some of you probably recall this also happening previously with regard to GW having to resculpt Smaug to take into account his revised wyvern-esque anatomy. Oh and I guess it also happened with Unexpected Journey, concerning Azog/Bolg change-ups.
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Yes. The move from two films to three also accounted for a somewhat weird release for what GW could do for the second film.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
At first the books contained rules for whatever new models had been released, usually according to a theme (e.g., Khazad-dum, Fall of Arnor) along with painting tips and, most importantly, cool scenarios covering scenes from the movies or books.
I always wish I'd got the Harad book. I think because they aren't explored much in the film and I haven't read the books (yet) so that was all quite new to me, and I liked the Far Haradrim models.
Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, they really need to go back to what made the game so popular in the first place and give you tons of plastic minis at sane prices, like those bundles. FW producing the models doesn't bode well, though.
If it's going to have the same "premium" pricing it had during the Hobbit years they might as well not bother, honestly.
I am getting excited for this, I would love to restart this, but as Sidstyler, said don't bother if it's priced just like The Hobbit or higher.
Azreal13 wrote:I'm weirdly excited for this, as I've never played it nor hitherto been that curious about it other than one or two models (Mumak, Fellbeast) to paint.
For someone who wasn't war gaming while it was popular the first time, can anyone summarize how it plays, or point me towards an article or similar that does?
It's an I go, you go, I shoot, you shoot type game. Priority is rolled at the beginning of each turn. Tie goes to the person who didn't win priority the last turn. Person with priority moves first then the opponent moves, then person with priority shoots first then your opponent shoots. Been ages, but I think close combat is at the end. Thing is THE EVIL PLAYER can shoot into close combat with a 50/50 chance of hitting intended target, but THE GOOD PLAYER can't.
Also there is Hero abilities (sorry forget the name) where if you lost Priority you have a chance of moving your Hero and what ever is close by to move or shoot first out of sequence.
These are the rules I would have loved for 40K at the time.
Also I haven't seen it mentioned, did everyone forget about War of the Ring or did I miss it? It's like apocalypse for LotR and acted like Fantasy.
Also just saw this link hope it helps.
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Ok I am wrong that this video shows how to play, but man, I miss these minis. I hope it's affordable, I really want to collect a lot this time around. Please GW don't screw this up. I am ready to spend lots of money.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, they really need to go back to what made the game so popular in the first place and give you tons of plastic minis at sane prices, like those bundles. FW producing the models doesn't bode well, though.
If it's going to have the same "premium" pricing it had during the Hobbit years they might as well not bother, honestly.
I am getting excited for this, I would love to restart this, but as Sidstyler, said don't bother if it's priced just like The Hobbit or higher.
The best thing about this game is that it can be played for a pittance. There are so many plastic kits on ebay with just an undercoat going for a song, along with all the basic heroes like Uruk-Hai Captains, or Eomer, or ringwraiths. The newer models are nice and all, but it's totally fine to build an army out of scraps on ebay, and due to the general good balancing of the game, you won't lose to cheese or newer OP stuff.
Ghaz wrote: The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit sculpts are based on the artwork used in the Peter Jackson films (where applicable). It may be a case of a change in the film effects that didn't get passed on to GW for their sculpts.
That happened quite a lot with the Hobbit films. Peter Jackson really screwed GW over by making so many last minute changes to the films.
Changing his mind and having Thranduil ride an Elk instead of a horse (GW had already sculpted him on a horse).
Changing his mind and having the Dwarves discard most of their armour before charging into battle (GW had already sculpted them in full plate armour). To be fair though that was more out of necessity as the armour was far too impractical for the actors to perform action scenes in.
The Gundabad Orcs as mentioned above.
Changing his mind on Azog very late in development for the first movie and making him CGI instead of the "old Orc" design that was recycled into Yazneg. (GW had already sculpted the model, written the profile and printed the rulebook).
However there was almost no problems with the original trilogy. I believe most (if not all) of the problems can be traced back to Peter Jackson taking over from Guillermo del Toro on the first Hobbit film and Warner Bros. adding a third movie.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Purging del Toro's ideas is most likely caused the problems you noted in your previous post.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Ghaz wrote: However there was almost no problems with the original trilogy. I believe most (if not all) of the problems can be traced back to Peter Jackson taking over from Guillermo del Toro on the first Hobbit film and Warner Bros. adding a third movie.
Halving the product with only one third a price cut (hence a price increase) and the insane prices GW were asking for The Hobbit stuff, and not communicating with us (I didn't want to pay $100 for something that was only going to last a year since almost all of us thought it would have been replaced like LorR stuff did, would have bought it and invested in Hobbit more if I knew that) also was the demise of the LotR/Hobbit Line, not just Peter Jackson taking over from Guillermo del Toro and adding the extra movie. If anything that was only minor stuff or just a minor annoyance.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
I'd like to think of this as good news, but seeing what they did to the prices before The Hobbit and then with the release of The Hobbit makes me dubious at best. Time to buy up the models that I know I need for the few armies I have that are close to painted, and simply hope that I've got close to enough for the rest.
How certain is this rumour?
Because if LotR is coming back, I really need to buy up all the miniatures I can while they are still cheap
Seriously, bringing back LotR would be totally awesome. A great ruleset, the best background imaginable and some of the most awesome miniatures ever.
I do hope however GW will be smart about it and won't bring prices to a Hobbit level. Those prices totally killed the Hobbit, even though it had a lot of potential.
