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2016/06/22 14:00:31
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
Hey guys!
Any more new info about MESBG from Forgeworld open day? Open day bulletin says that there were some special guests from Middle-earth Studio. I hope there were some new things revealed!
2016/07/18 20:40:36
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
Breslerek wrote: Hey guys! Any more new info about MESBG from Forgeworld open day? Open day bulletin says that there were some special guests from Middle-earth Studio. I hope there were some new things revealed!
I don't know if you have seen this. Scroll down, the top stuff is Blood Bowl but there is some nice beautiful LotR/The Hobbit stuff. Here is a link I saw on Natfka site.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/07/18 20:55:21
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
Breslerek wrote: Hey guys!
Any more new info about MESBG from Forgeworld open day? Open day bulletin says that there were some special guests from Middle-earth Studio. I hope there were some new things revealed!
I don't know if you have seen this. Scroll down, the top stuff is Blood Bowl but there is some nice beautiful LotR/The Hobbit stuff. Here is a link I saw on Natfka site.
The following was posted on the One Ring forum and has some interesting info!
Penddraig on The One Ring wrote:
Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game
I`m a massive fan of Tolkien and Middle-Earth and had a long chat with Adam Troke who is so enthusiastic about the SBG. There is a lot planned for the SBG starting with the release of the Hobbit-tome, “There and Back Again”. The proofs have been sent off for approval and it is hoped to release this around December. The book covers all the Hobbit films and includes scenarios for all the key events of the films – based on the extended editions. The book also contains a campaign system for linking the scenarios together as well as profiles for all the units / heroes found within the films. A point that was raised was the power-level of the Hobbit profiles as compared to the Lord of the Rings profiles and Adam confirmed that the profiles have been balanced. One of the most exciting profiles for me is the inclusion of the Nazgûl as found in the Battle of Dol Gûldor! The book also includes rules for running armies of the main forces in the film such as the Iron Hill Dwarves or Gundabad. A new feature that is intended to be used in the revised armies is that by taking a force that is unique, the force will gain a bonus. The example given was that an army from Dale alone will gain a 3+ Shoot value. Dale bowman in a mixed force with Erebor or Lake Town wouldn`t take this bonus.
The previewed models such as Dáin, the Iron Hill Dwarves and the Gundabad Berserkers are all due for release from October to December alongside the Lake Town plastic house. Future plans are possible event-only models or special edition models. Event-only models will feature models that can be bought at GW events rather than through the webstore and represent a special role / pose of the character / unit whereas special edition models represent a limited time release.
Future plans involve a revised set of rules. Adam stated that he is not concerned about massive changes as the rules by themselves are mostly sound. Revisions will include special strikes as these are currently unbalanced and possibly magic. This is planned for next summer and will come under the heading “Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game” to demonstrate that the Hobbit and LOTR are using the same core rues.
At this point there are two planned ways forward which are not fixed in place. One option is to create a “One Book to Rule Them All” that will include the rules and the profiles of all the units, heroes, monsters of Middle-Earth so that everything is in one place. The second option is to release the rules as one book and then release separate source books that will cover the races with the profiles included inside.
Either way, all armies are to be revised in line with the idea stated above with army-specific bonuses. No army is going to be scrapped and all will remain a playable force together with a re-balancing. Army creation may be tweaked but not dramatically. More army options are to be included so for example Rohan may have Théoden`s Hall, Helms Deep, the Western Mark under Éomere and the Eastern Mark under Théodred and the charge of Pellanor Field. Each will play slightly differently to the others
One confirmed area of development are scenario packs that will focus on one event or character. An example was given of the “Ringbearer`s Journey” that would include scenarios, rules etc that follow Frodo from leaving Bag End to the destruction of the Ring. Other possible plans are the War in the North and the Eastern Realms.
Breslerek wrote: What will happen with the miniatures? Can we expect a completely new range of miniatures for every faction or we will be stuck with the old ones?
There's basically no chance they'll release new versions of existing models. You'll see re-releases of OOP models and some new releases they didn't have time to release, like the final Hobbit movie models. This is not really a rejuvenation of the game as much as putting it on life support and prolonging its life a few years through some very enthusiastic people at Forge World. The heyday of new plastic kits and Whte Dwarf covers is long gone, although I'm sure it can go on quite comfortably as a niche game
for LotR enthusiasts.
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2016/07/20 15:17:24
Subject: GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
One of the most exciting profiles for me is the inclusion of the Nazgûl as found in the Battle of Dol Gûldor!
I'd love to see some new miniatures to go with these!
Future plans are possible event-only models or special edition models.
Oh, that! That's a terrible idea! To me one of the main attractions of the renewed attention to LOTR/Hobbit was being able to buy miniatures without paying the current eBay OOP surcharge (which can run from 50-300% depending on the miniatures). The last thing they need to start releasing limited edition miniatures that 90% of the player base won't be able to buy without paying scalper prices.
One option is to create a “One Book to Rule Them All” that will include the rules and the profiles of all the units, heroes, monsters of Middle-Earth so that everything is in one place.
I'd be okay with this, but what price would they have to charge? The Hobbit hardcover rulebook cost $80US and had only one movie's worth of scenarios and model stats. If they try and jam 6 movies worth of material into one book, in addition to the rules how much is it going to cost? $100? $120? More??? I suppose a new rulebook and a half-dozen separate army books would end up costing even more, but the expense could be spread out more, and people who were only interested in one or two factions wouldn't have to buy all the books (like I would!).
Army creation may be tweaked but not dramatically. More army options are to be included so for example Rohan may have Théoden`s Hall, Helms Deep, the Western Mark under Éomere and the Eastern Mark under Théodred and the charge of Pellanor Field.
My knee jerk reaction to any changes in the rules or army lists is "No!" but as I think about it, this might be fun. I'll have to wait and see, I suppose.
Breslerek wrote: What will happen with the miniatures? Can we expect a completely new range of miniatures for every faction or we will be stuck with the old ones?
I would not expect them to re-sculpt much if anything and I doubt we will see any new plastic miniatures. Obviously they are already working on some new minis for the BoFA movie, and hopefully we will see at least a few new miniatures as time goes by, and I think there were at least a couple things still missing/never released from the LOTR range.
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2016/08/04 10:52:31
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
September 17th and 18th is a very exciting time for fans of The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey™: Strategy Battle Game, as Warhammer World not only hosts the Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain, but also Games Workshop’s Middle-earth team will be at the event.
Both Jay Clare and Adam Troke (authors of the forthcoming Thjay adame Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again) will be participating in the event itself, and on Saturday night, they’ll be making a small presentation about their upcoming book, what to expect from the team in the near future… and perhaps a short Q&A if time allows!
Not only that, but if you attend, you’ll have the chance to see some of the latest work-in-progress models from the talented hands of Keith Robertson, Gavin Newton and Rob Macfarlane. Like the one below…
AND FINALLY…
Finally, and perhaps most importantly of all, there will be a very limited stock of an old favourite kit from the Citadel The Lord of The Rings™ range on sale on the day. We can’t confirm WITCH kit it might be just yet, the FATES are still aligning, but when everything is FINALised, we’ll be sure to let you know.
Spoiler:
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/08/04 11:22:16
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
September 17th and 18th is a very exciting time for fans of The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey™: Strategy Battle Game, as Warhammer World not only hosts the Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain, but also Games Workshop’s Middle-earth team will be at the event.
Both Jay Clare and Adam Troke (authors of the forthcoming Thjay adame Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again) will be participating in the event itself, and on Saturday night, they’ll be making a small presentation about their upcoming book, what to expect from the team in the near future… and perhaps a short Q&A if time allows!
Not only that, but if you attend, you’ll have the chance to see some of the latest work-in-progress models from the talented hands of Keith Robertson, Gavin Newton and Rob Macfarlane. Like the one below…
AND FINALLY…
Finally, and perhaps most importantly of all, there will be a very limited stock of an old favourite kit from the Citadel The Lord of The Rings™ range on sale on the day. We can’t confirm WITCH kit it might be just yet, the FATES are still aligning, but when everything is FINALised, we’ll be sure to let you know.
oh, they're bringing the diorama's back? sweet
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2016/08/05 01:14:25
Subject: GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
I really hope they allow worldwide ordering of the Final Fate of the Witch King set - is has my favorite sculpt/pose of the Witch King and I would love to have one without paying $150+ on ebay :/
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2016/08/19 08:53:35
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
The Middle-earth™ team is delighted to confirm that the much loved ‘Final Fate of the Witch-king’ (see right) will be making its welcome return at The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies™ Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain on Saturday 17th – Sunday 18th September! Please note that this set will not be available on the webstore following the event, but may be available at the Warhammer World store and other events in the future.
There will only be a limited stock of 100 sets available over the weekend, so if you want to be amongst the first to have the chance to buy a copy of this classic Citadel kit, be sure to make your way down to Warhammer World on the 17th-18th September for our Doubles Weekend!
News of the rise of the Witch-king has spread, and a band of noble heroes are beginning to muster in order to protect their lands against this dark threat. Only time will tell who these brave DEFENDERS may turn out to be…
Please note that this set will not be available on the webstore following the event, but may be available at the Warhammer World store and other events in the future.
.alas....
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/08/19 10:18:26
Subject: GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
judgedoug wrote: I really hope they allow worldwide ordering of the Final Fate of the Witch King set - is has my favorite sculpt/pose of the Witch King and I would love to have one without paying $150+ on ebay :/
I'm hopefully down that way in October, I can try and pick you up one, for $149
2016/08/19 14:47:23
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
Please note that this set will not be available on the webstore following the event, but may be available at the Warhammer World store and other events in the future.
Stupid, stupid, stupid!
Don't go down this stupid limited release path, GW. To regenerate interest in the game the miniatures have to be AVAILABLE!!!
2016/08/19 17:49:04
Subject: GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
But you guys DID see the hints dropping that Defenders of Rohan is being re-released....
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2016/09/06 09:38:56
Subject: Re:GW continuing support for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game
Here’s another event for your calendar, we’ll be coming Machester this October for Ardacon – a weekend long event celebrating the Hobbit and Games Workshop's Hobbit Strategy Battle Game!
We’ll be a the Mercure Manchester Piccadilly Hotel from Friday 21st to Sunday 23rd October. We’ll be bringing the latest and greatest from Forge World, exclusive models and merchandise, and miniatures from our The Lord of the Rings™ and The Hobbit™ranges.
If you’ll be at Ardacon you can place an order now with free shipping to the event, and make sure you get exactly what you want from Forge World. You have until 13th October to place your order for collection at Ardacon. All you need to do is selected the UK as your delivery country, then when you’re checking out you’ll be able to choose the event for delivery.
You can also place orders for collection at the Warhammer European Open Day. You have until 18th September to place your order, just select the Netherlands as your delivery country then choose the event to deliver to. Make sure you get your tickets before they’re gone!
Posted by Chris
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/09/09 14:45:52
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies™ Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain is almost upon us and we have even more exciting news to bring you!
Alongside the re-release of the Final Fate of the Witch-king, the Middle-earth™ team is proud to announce that the highly sought after Defenders of Rohan™ boxed set (see above) will also be making its triumphant return to Warhammer World on Saturday 17th – Sunday 18th September.
There will only be a limited stock of 100 sets of each available over the weekend, so if you want to be amongst the first to have the chance to buy a copy of this classic Citadel kit, be sure that you’re there.
Please note that this set will not be available on the webstore following the event, but may be available at the Warhammer World store and other events in the future.
Tickets are running low for this event, so now is your last chance to secure your place at The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies™ Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain, along with the opportunity to purchase these two amazing kits.
If you would like to find out more about this event, and buy your ticket, click the button to the right. We’ll see you there!
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/09/09 15:23:40
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies™ Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain is almost upon us and we have even more exciting news to bring you!
Alongside the re-release of the Final Fate of the Witch-king, the Middle-earth™ team is proud to announce that the highly sought after Defenders of Rohan™ boxed set (see above) will also be making its triumphant return to Warhammer World on Saturday 17th – Sunday 18th September.
There will only be a limited stock of 100 sets of each available over the weekend, so if you want to be amongst the first to have the chance to buy a copy of this classic Citadel kit, be sure that you’re there.
Please note that this set will not be available on the webstore following the event, but may be available at the Warhammer World store and other events in the future.
Tickets are running low for this event, so now is your last chance to secure your place at The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies™ Doubles Campaign Weekend: Towards the Lonely Mountain, along with the opportunity to purchase these two amazing kits.
If you would like to find out more about this event, and buy your ticket, click the button to the right. We’ll see you there!
Oh now that's just taking the proverbial One of the best sets they ever came out with in terms of character sculpts and they make it an exclusive? gah! That would be a sell out for months if they put it up for general release.
2016/09/12 10:05:52
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
very happy that the laketown houses will be a plastic kit
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/09/12 13:08:06
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
very happy that the laketown houses will be a plastic kit
Can we buy this in stores, or is it an "Order from Forge World only" and I basically will not be able to get it then?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/09/12 13:15:18
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
Whilst acknowledging the existence of the Warhammer World only command tanks, one would be very surprised if they restricted the availability of the plastic town houses at all.
I have no idea what availability the rest of the range will have.
One wouldn't be too surprised if that was FW website only.
But I'm speculating entirely here.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/09/13 10:12:18
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
Can we buy this in stores, or is it an "Order from Forge World only" and I basically will not be able to get it then?
Why not order it from Forge World if its going to be available from them?
I am old fashioned. I like to buy in stores. While I do use current tech in a debit card, I like to buy from local stores. Buy where I play.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/09/21 22:10:35
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
First painted pics of Dain cropped up in the GSC news thread, reposting here:
Spoiler:
That is better than anything GW main put out for The Hobbit by a country mile, it looks to be up there with the best of the Perry LotR stuff in terms of likeness, character and overall quality.
Though whoever wrote that Weapon of the Month box either has access to a different version of BotFA to the rest of us, or has never seen the film... I do think they ought to release a replacement mini of Bard using Bain as a crossbow (crossBain? Bainbow?), though!
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2016/10/04 19:20:00
Subject: Re: Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game : 23rd Oct Ardacon
- The next months will all about the Iron Hill Dwarfes, Azogs forces for the Bo5A, and the source book for the last 2 hobbit movies, aswell as re-releases.
- The Hobbit sourcebook contains scenarios based on the Extended Cut.
- It will contain rules for all characters and units found there - even for yet unreleased stuff.
- The Dol Guldur Nazgûl will get rules, models and new titles. They are still the same guys as during the war of the ring, but different Incarnations, so they use different titles than the ringwraiths (since the ringwraith appereance was known by people, but the Dol Guldur by other ones, and not many connected them). Witchking and Khamul still have the same name though . They are too awesome^^
- Sometimes next year, the big project will be an new BRB with rules for the whole middle-earth range, including the name rebrand.
- After this, they want to focuse on sourcebooks again. They can use everything from the LotR books, the LoTR movies and the hobbit trilogy. No rights on the simarillion sadly, but they are allowed to write their own "lore" (like the Nazgûl names).
- Themes they can use for future sourcebooks are f.e.:
- The Last Alliance. The hobbit made some cool hints that are based on bigger Silmarillion/Lost Stories lore, so we may even get Thranduils dad getting eaten by dragons there - The War of the Ring from the perspective of Thranduil, Dain and an old Bard. Dol Guldur will get manned again by Saurons forces, and heroes will die - Angmar and Balins Expedition, with models based upon the hobbit movies
- Of course these are just examples of stuff they would like to do, nothing is decided yet.
that! That's a terrible idea! To me one of the main attractions of the renewed attention to 
Gorkamorka 
. They are too awesome^^