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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I mean they say warhammer fantasy didn't sell well. Yeah well guess what? Their LotR game didn't either. I suppose that means LotR is unpopular. Oh wait what about the movies and a gajillion games inspired by the books that are about 100 years old? Thing is warhammer fantasy was great but just handled poorly by GW just like everything these days.

The Lord of the Rings actually sold extremely well in Britain for a few years while the LOTR films were still current and generating a huge wave of hype in the general public. Hell, the SBG is how I found wargaming and its still my main wargame.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the later iteration of the game based on the Hobbit films?

I think we are getting off subject here.

Is there a new rule now that women aren't allowed to make money?

Someone's complaining about the USA women's soccer team asking for more money, and Sarkeesian is a bad person for being paid for her public engagements.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is there a new rule now that women aren't allowed to make money?

Someone's complaining about the USA women's soccer team asking for more money, and Sarkeesian is a bad person for being paid for her public engagements.

I didn't really pay attention to it, but I did read about it somewhere else.

It was my understanding that they are suing their employer because they aren't paid as much as the men, after signing a collectively bargained contract.
I'm from the wrong side of the pond, but it sounds batgak crazy to antagonize your employer that much... then again, USA, so what do I know.

Here is Anita's Kickstarter page.

She promised twelve videos.

Here is her announcement it's going to end.

Here is Anita's YouTube page.
Can you find all twelve videos? Can you find 10? Can you even find half of them?They were scheduled for completion by August.2012. It's now April 2016, three plus years after they promised completion date.

Has she not had enough time? It must be the time thing right? Because it certainly wasn't the money thing.

Now I'm still waiting on my Maelstrom's Edge pledge. For now I'm being patient but if I don't get it for another three years, and when I do it's got less than half of what I was promised, I'm going to take a very dim view of those that ran the kickstarter. And not a single person here would say they'd behaved well or as one poster claimed, 'had delivered the product'.

Yet she has the audacity to launch another crowdfunding project, asking for $200,000 to make a new Feminist Frequency series, even while her former project lies unfulfilled. This she does while, if her own declarations are to believed, Feminist Frequency has over four hundred thousand dollars in it's kiity.

Lastly, here's TJ Kirk's fundraiser.

BENEFITING: International Women's Health Coalition
THE STORY:
Hello, I'm TJ Kirk. I hope that you will join me in supporting The International Women's Health Coalition, whose goals are to provide sexual education, reproductive rights, and educational opportunities women and girls in places like Africa, India, The Middle East and Asia. They strive to help girls in these regions by:
Advancing the rights of adolescent girls
Promoting comprehensive sexual education
Ending child marriages and forced marriages
Ensuring safe and legal abortions
The IWHC accomplishes these goals by working with governments and global health policymakers as well as funding educational programs and grassroots political movements. They are bringing true feminism to woman and girls who suffer actual oppression and inequality. Their organization has received a 4 star rating from Charity Navigator, a service that rates charities based on the financial health of the charity and the transparency and accountability of the charity. The IWHC received a rating of 90 out of 100 for financial health and 100 out of 100 for transparency and accountability. To learn more about the IWHC you can check out their website here: https://iwhc.org

Here's how Anita characterized it.

In response to our new project, a very vocal, known harasser who has spent years attacking feminism and individual feminists on YouTube, has launched a counter-fundraising campaign specifically designed to both discredit me and mobilize his viewers to abuse me further on social media.

Yeah she's allowed to make money. I for one would prefer if she did it in a moral and honest way though.

Well, it's covered in the thread on the soccer but the basic point is that people are allowed to renegotiate contracts, so why aren't women?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Well, it's covered in the thread on the soccer but the basic point is that people are allowed to renegotiate contracts, so why aren't women?

I don't know, there must be reasons.

When I renegotiate my contract, the implied leverage is that "else I walk". Since we're talking nationals and not football club, what are they gonna do? Change nationality?
Since they can't leave, maybe that's a factor for the suing after failed negotiations.

Terrorism?

Dramatic much?

Grimdark wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Well, it's covered in the thread on the soccer but the basic point is that people are allowed to renegotiate contracts, so why aren't women?

I don't know, there must be reasons.

When I renegotiate my contract, the implied leverage is that "else I walk". Since we're talking nationals and not football club, what are they gonna do? Change nationality?
Since they can't leave, maybe that's a factor for the suing after failed negotiations.

Of course they can leave. It's the USA, not the Soviet Union.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is there a new rule now that women aren't allowed to make money?

Someone's complaining about the USA women's soccer team asking for more money, and Sarkeesian is a bad person for being paid for her public engagements.

A mod completely misrepresenting what is happening in another thread, while taking another thread off-topic. Say it ain't so.

Why don't you answer the question honestly?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Why don't you answer the question honestly?

Because it wasn't an honest question.

Nobody has said Anita Sarkeesian is a bad person for charging fees for her public engagements, I simply pointed out that she is making a lot of money out of it in response to someone who claimed she isn't making money out of her "Professional victim" status.

She's a bad person for making a huge amount of money off a Kickstarter for a project she failed to complete, and filled with plagiarisms, falsehoods and poorly researched arguments; then pocketed the remaining cash and started a new Kickstarter that she probably won't complete either.

Charging for her speaking engagements is probably the most honest way that she makes money. Much more honest than half finished Kickstarters, certainly.

Now you are answering the question honestly.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Why don't you answer the question honestly?

Because it wasn't an honest question.

Nobody has said Anita Sarkeesian is a bad person for charging fees for her public engagements, I simply pointed out that she is making a lot of money out of it in response to someone who claimed she isn't making money out of her "Professional victim" status.

She's a bad person for making a huge amount of money off a Kickstarter for a project she failed to complete, and filled with plagiarisms, falsehoods and poorly researched arguments; then pocketed the remaining cash and started a new Kickstarter that she probably won't complete either.

Charging for her speaking engagements is probably the most honest way that she makes money. Much more honest than half finished Kickstarters, certainly.

She's also a bad person for being paid to speak about a subject she knows absolutely nothing about. 99% of her claims have been refuted with evidence or just laughed at, and she has yet to completely back them (especially in regards to finishing her video series). Hell, I'm willing to bet she hasn't even played half the games she accuses of being misogynistic and having the Princess trope. Also, she completely ignores games that don't fit in to her thesis (i.e. Tomb Raider, Metroid, games with good female characters). Hell, she goes on to criticize the Last of Us, even though Ellie is one of the strongest characters in the game. The only reason she gets captured and you rescue her is because she's a 13 year old girl, and even then, you only show up after she breaks out on her own and kills the bad guy. She completely missed the fething point of the game.

The problem isn't with her making money, the problem is she's completely dishonest and uses that dishonesty and rage to make money, and any time someone calls her out on it, she goes "Oh no misogyny!" and the media rushes to her defense.

 jreilly89 wrote:
She's also a bad person for being paid to speak about a subject she knows absolutely nothing about. 99% of her claims have been refuted with evidence or just laughed at, and she has yet to completely back them (especially in regards to finishing her video series). Hell, I'm willing to bet she hasn't even played half the games she accuses of being misogynistic and having the Princess trope. Also, she completely ignores games that don't fit in to her thesis (i.e. Tomb Raider, Metroid, games with good female characters).

This... isn't a very good point. If you're making videos to say "Hey, this thing happens sometimes and is bad, look at the thing" why on earth would you put in the cases where it doesn't happen?

Lets say 10% of children are bullied. You make a video to showcase the plight of that 10% of children. People then go on the internet to accuse you of dishonesty because you didn't feature the story of any of the kids that aren't bullied.

You see how stupid that situation is, right?

 Kojiro wrote:
Here is Anita's Kickstarter page.

She promised twelve videos.

Here is her announcement it's going to end.

Here is Anita's YouTube page.
Can you find all twelve videos? Can you find 10? Can you even find half of them?They were scheduled for completion by August.2012. It's now April 2016, three plus years after they promised completion date.

Has she not had enough time? It must be the time thing right? Because it certainly wasn't the money thing.

How extremely weird it was for you to literally supply all the URLs needed to prove exactly what you're claiming is not true.

What she promised:



What she delivered:


So what's it going to be? Admit you were completely and utterly wrong, and re-examine your opinion, or double down by moving the goalposts?

Dude, she's in front of a blue screen so none of them count.

3 people in this page claimed she didn't deliver what she said she would, and it took me literally less than 2 minutes to find the videos. I don't know what to say to that.

 Goliath wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
She's also a bad person for being paid to speak about a subject she knows absolutely nothing about. 99% of her claims have been refuted with evidence or just laughed at, and she has yet to completely back them (especially in regards to finishing her video series). Hell, I'm willing to bet she hasn't even played half the games she accuses of being misogynistic and having the Princess trope. Also, she completely ignores games that don't fit in to her thesis (i.e. Tomb Raider, Metroid, games with good female characters).

This... isn't a very good point. If you're making videos to say "Hey, this thing happens sometimes and is bad, look at the thing" why on earth would you put in the cases where it doesn't happen?

Lets say 10% of children are bullied. You make a video to showcase the plight of that 10% of children. People then go on the internet to accuse you of dishonesty because you didn't feature the story of any of the kids that aren't bullied.

You see how stupid that situation is, right?

But her claim wasn't 10% of children are bullied, her claim was 75% of children are bullied. If I can survey at least half of the chose and show they aren't bullied, then that's dishonest.


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 Ouze wrote:
3 people in this page claimed she didn't deliver what she said she would, and it took me literally less than 2 minutes to find the videos. I don't know what to say to that.

Well, I haven't been able to find any info her failing to deliver on her Kickstarter so I'm willing to admit I was wrong on that. However, I refuse to admit that she knows what she's talking about, because she doesn't. She throws out wild accusations with no evidence and then cries wolf when criticized.

Also, apparently she released a breakdown of how she spent the Kickstart money. An interesting read.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/01/24/anita-sarkeesian-releases-kickstarter-breakdown-raised-440000-in-2014/#3645b48238c1

http://feministfrequency.com/2015/01/23/feminist-frequencys-2014-annual-report/

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
She's also a bad person for being paid to speak about a subject she knows absolutely nothing about. 99% of her claims have been refuted with evidence or just laughed at, and she has yet to completely back them (especially in regards to finishing her video series). Hell, I'm willing to bet she hasn't even played half the games she accuses of being misogynistic and having the Princess trope. Also, she completely ignores games that don't fit in to her thesis (i.e. Tomb Raider, Metroid, games with good female characters).

This... isn't a very good point. If you're making videos to say "Hey, this thing happens sometimes and is bad, look at the thing" why on earth would you put in the cases where it doesn't happen?

Lets say 10% of children are bullied. You make a video to showcase the plight of that 10% of children. People then go on the internet to accuse you of dishonesty because you didn't feature the story of any of the kids that aren't bullied.

You see how stupid that situation is, right?

But her claim wasn't 10% of children are bullied, her claim was 75% of children are bullied. If I can survey at least half of the chose and show they aren't bullied, then that's dishonest.

Okay, I can't actually tell what you're trying to say here. I'm assuming it's a typo of some sort.


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 Ouze wrote:
3 people in this page claimed she didn't deliver what she said she would, and it took me literally less than 2 minutes to find the videos. I don't know what to say to that.

Well, I haven't been able to find any info her failing to deliver on her Kickstarter so I'm willing to admit I was wrong on that. However, I refuse to admit that she knows what she's talking about, because she doesn't. She throws out wild accusations with no evidence and then cries wolf when criticized.

Are you going to make any actual claims that can be debated at some point? You keep on saying that these wild accusations are being made and they're obviously really prevalent and make up 99.99999% of her videos but you haven't pointed out a single one. It can't be that hard to find one, surely?

Also, apparently she released a breakdown of how she spent the Kickstart money. An interesting read.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/01/24/anita-sarkeesian-releases-kickstarter-breakdown-raised-440000-in-2014/#3645b48238c1

http://feministfrequency.com/2015/01/23/feminist-frequencys-2014-annual-report/

 Goliath wrote:
I can't tell whether this is meant to be a criticism or not, but "She released her financials" doesn't work as one if that's what you're trying to do.

Well, arguing about the financials is sort of a red herring. For one, arguing that she should have spent the money one way, or the other, or taken less salary, or whatever, is a pretty ballsy move when you think about it. When you buy a bag of rice for a dollar from Walmart, do you feel entitled to demand that the Waltons shouldn't charge a dollar for the bag of rice because it didn't cost a dollar to produce, or whatever insipid reason I often see leveled in this specific discussion? She said she wanted to make x videos for x money, she hit her goal, if people wanted to keep giving her money, in my mind she's free to spend it on crack and hookers. She earned it, it's a profit, it's the bedrock of capitalism or some gak.

The more salient one is arguing about the financials lets these guys successfully move the goalposts from the previous, pulled firmly from their asses, idea that she never completed the project. I refuse to get into a debate with people reciting facts they just know when they clearly are willing to regurgitate gak they don't know anything about, debunked in less that 2 minutes, so confidently.

 Ouze wrote:
3 people in this page claimed she didn't deliver what she said she would, and it took me literally less than 2 minutes to find the videos. I don't know what to say to that.

While I was never one of those who supported that claim, Ouze, I do find hilarious (in a cynical way) the notion that she needed kickstarter funds to make those videos. That being said, if people are honestly willing to part with their money for stupid stuff like this, I guess I can't disparage her for taking it.

 Ouze wrote:

 Kojiro wrote:
Here is Anita's Kickstarter page.

She promised twelve videos.

Here is her announcement it's going to end.

Here is Anita's YouTube page.
Can you find all twelve videos? Can you find 10? Can you even find half of them?They were scheduled for completion by August.2012. It's now April 2016, three plus years after they promised completion date.

Has she not had enough time? It must be the time thing right? Because it certainly wasn't the money thing.

How extremely weird it was for you to literally supply all the URLs needed to prove exactly what you're claiming is not true.

What she promised:

Spoiler:

What she delivered:

Spoiler:

So what's it going to be? Admit you were completely and utterly wrong, and re-examine your opinion, or double down by moving the goalposts?

Go watch the video for the kickstarter, and write out the video topics she said she'd make, and then check off which ones she made. I believe the count was 4. She was way over budget, and way past her deadlines, I can't see how anyone would support a new series from her and believe she can deliver what she promises.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Is there a new rule now that women aren't allowed to make money?

Someone's complaining about the USA women's soccer team asking for more money, and Sarkeesian is a bad person for being paid for her public engagements.

Whos exactly is complaining about the soccer team asking for more money? name one strike where the fans weren't outraged that the players wanted more money. See it's just equality in action.

Who said she's a bad person for being paid to speak?

Your sounding like fox news here. fox is fond of saying "critics say obamas the worst president ever" while never stating who those critics are. Where the use 'critics' to mean 'fox news'

sirlynchmob wrote:
Go watch the video for the kickstarter, and write out the video topics she said she'd make, and then check off which ones she made. I believe the count was 4. She was way over budget, and way past her deadlines, I can't see how anyone would support a new series from her and believe she can deliver what she promises.

She said she would cover 5 themes/tropes. That is exactly what she did. She claimed the videos would be between 10 and 20 minutes long, and some were much longer - the average length for the main 5 is like 25 minutes.

I mean, you guys are literally just making things up to justify your inexplicable rage boner for this woman. Anyway, I know where this extremely well travelled path ends up, so I'll let you guys resume it.

 Ouze wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Go watch the video for the kickstarter, and write out the video topics she said she'd make, and then check off which ones she made. I believe the count was 4. She was way over budget, and way past her deadlines, I can't see how anyone would support a new series from her and believe she can deliver what she promises.

She said she would cover 5 themes/tropes. That is exactly what she did. She claimed the videos would be between 10 and 20 minutes long, and some were much longer - the average length for the main 5 is like 25 minutes.

I mean, you guys are literally just making things up to justify your inexplicable rage boner for this woman.

I have no rage towards anyone, least of all her. That's just your white male chauvinistic attitude speaking where you feel the need to protect her from legitimate criticism.

feel free to link her sexy villionous video, ugly is evil video, top ten common defenses of sexism in games, the violent feth toy and this Classroom Curriculum

You're the one making stuff up to cover for her failure to deliver what she promised. You can't even get the number of videos right, she promised a theme of 12 videos and breaking 1 video into 3 parts, still just covers that 1 video. Link them all or admit you're wrong.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You couldn't afford a one-bed flat in southern Britain for that little money.

I know this is a post from a while ago and I am probably way off...

...but I live in a one-bedroom flat in Southern Britain, and I could live there for fifteen years for 160,000 dollars. (It's 71 quid a week)

If the owner is a relative, it doesn't count.

The owner isn't a relative; my family lives in America (I am actually visiting them as we speak for the last week of Easter break away from uni.)

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Go watch the video for the kickstarter, and write out the video topics she said she'd make, and then check off which ones she made. I believe the count was 4. She was way over budget, and way past her deadlines, I can't see how anyone would support a new series from her and believe she can deliver what she promises.

She said she would cover 5 themes/tropes. That is exactly what she did. She claimed the videos would be between 10 and 20 minutes long, and some were much longer - the average length for the main 5 is like 25 minutes.

I mean, you guys are literally just making things up to justify your inexplicable rage boner for this woman.

I have no rage towards anyone, least of all her. That's just your white male chauvinistic attitude speaking where you feel the need to protect her from legitimate criticism.

feel free to link her sexy villionous video, ugly is evil video, top ten common defenses of sexism in games, the violent feth toy, women as rewards, misses male character, man with boobs,

You're the one making stuff up to cover for her failure to deliver what she promised. You can't even get the number of videos right, she promised a theme of 12 videos and breaking 1 video into 3 parts, still just covers that 1 video. Link them all or admit you're wrong.

The Ms. Male Character and Women as Rewards videos were linked in the thread already. You're not even keeping track of what you're arguing against. "Legitimate criticism" indeed...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

I have no rage towards anyone, least of all her. That's just your white male chauvinistic attitude speaking where you feel the need to protect her from legitimate criticism.

feel free to link her , women as rewards, misses male character, man with boobs,

You're the one making stuff up to cover for her failure to deliver what she promised. You can't even get the number of videos right, she promised a theme of 12 videos and breaking 1 video into 3 parts, still just covers that 1 video. Link them all or admit you're wrong.

The Ms. Male Character and Women as Rewards videos were linked in the thread already. You're not even keeping track of what you're arguing against. "Legitimate criticism" indeed...

so no link to sexy villainous video, ugly is evil video, top ten common defenses of sexism in games, the violent feth toy, so clearly she did not do over 1/2 of the videos she promised. She had over 4 years and couldn't make the 12 videos she claimed she would on her kickstarter. People paid her for 12 videos and a curriculum, and she totally failed to produce them. yet again I can't see how anyone would support a new series from her and believe she can deliver what she promises.

This is the kickstarter, which contains the list of videos that were going to be made.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/description

Could people please be more honest in representing what she has or hasn't done of this list, thanks.

I would like to add, that kickstarters being late is a common thing. As to how late is acceptable given the content, that's up for debate.

It should be pointed out the image posted showing her twelve videos was in fact a recap she posted this year, and not an image showing promised content.

TOPIC.

If you're done talking about the original story, please move along.