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 His Master's Voice wrote:

So PVC is not "only PVC", it is "fortunately PVC!".

How fortunate. I do like saving money.

This is a board game, what were you expecting?

 Mymearan wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

So PVC is not "only PVC", it is "fortunately PVC!".

How fortunate. I do like saving money.

This is a board game, what were you expecting?

Multi-part metals requiring assembly would have been pretty hilarious. BGG would explode.

 Mymearan wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

So PVC is not "only PVC", it is "fortunately PVC!".

How fortunate. I do like saving money.

This is a board game, what were you expecting?

Not much really. Because it's a board game.

HIPS would have been nice tho.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

So PVC is not "only PVC", it is "fortunately PVC!".

How fortunate. I do like saving money.

This is a board game, what were you expecting?

Not much really. Because it's a board game.

HIPS would have been nice tho.

Board games don't do HIPS, unless run by a crazy person like Adam Poots. It doesn't make sense financially or practically, since board gamers hate assembling miniatures.

Additional SG posted:

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 Mymearan wrote:
Board games don't do HIPS, unless run by a crazy person like Adam Poots. It doesn't make sense financially or practically, since board gamers hate assembling miniatures.

And that should concern me why exactly?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Board games don't do HIPS, unless run by a crazy person like Adam Poots. It doesn't make sense financially or practically, since board gamers hate assembling miniatures.

And that should concern me why exactly?

Because boardgames are generally targeted at boardgamers?

Yeah, but I'm not a boardgamer. I just wanted some cool Dark Souls miniatures.

It's not like a threw a tantrum about it or anything.

Going on the company's other releases, would anyone with experience of them care to comment on the quality?

I've found stuff like Zombiecide Black Plague to be perfectly acceptable to spend time on painting (very good, even) is this likely to fall within the same ballpark?

Alpharius wrote:It's really not the 'buxom women' that make KD:M a truly potential awkward experience!

ced1106 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Backed this one! I'm a big fan of these dark medieval universes like KD:M and DS, and DS is much more up my alley (much lower number of scantily clad buxom women making me feel less akward about showing the models to other people )

Yeah, ol' man-boob scrotum-throat-with-eyeballs is *much* more presentable.

Haha, oh definitely, I was just mentioning the tip of the iceberg regarding all the stuff going on in KD:M

 Pacific wrote:
Going on the company's other releases, would anyone with experience of them care to comment on the quality?

I've found stuff like Zombiecide Black Plague to be perfectly acceptable to spend time on painting (very good, even) is this likely to fall within the same ballpark?

Guild Ball has been well received and due to the production company they are using I expect the minis to be Zombicide levels of quality.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Going on the company's other releases, would anyone with experience of them care to comment on the quality?

I've found stuff like Zombiecide Black Plague to be perfectly acceptable to spend time on painting (very good, even) is this likely to fall within the same ballpark?

Guild Ball has been well received and due to the production company they are using I expect the minis to be Zombicide levels of quality.

Zombiecide miniatures were pretty damn good.

I am PUMPED with this kickstarter. Hot damn, if Solaire shows up, I'm so sold.

Do we know what the expansions come with? At 28 Pounds each those are getting very expensive, very quickly. I don't doubt the model will be cool, and they'll obviously include AI decks.... but do they have any other meaningful gameplay content?

I feel like what we know thus far speaks to a pretty minimal "exploring" part of the game, with more a boss-rush thing going on?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Do we know what the expansions come with? At 28 Pounds each those are getting very expensive, very quickly. I don't doubt the model will be cool, and they'll obviously include AI decks.... but do they have any other meaningful gameplay content?

I feel like what we know thus far speaks to a pretty minimal "exploring" part of the game, with more a boss-rush thing going on?

Boss mini, AI deck, dial and tile.

Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

 Alpharius wrote:
Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

Nope, doesn't seem to be anything special. I guess its just if you want to get them all at the same time.

Then again, the reason why they're so expensive is, I'm going to guess, because they're going to be huge. Kalameet, the Gaping Dragon, and the Last Giant all tower over players in the games.

Oh, and they tied retailer goals to retailer pledge amounts. Very smart, and should settle a lot of the complaints. I know I'm happy.

Element Games mentioned in the comments that at least one of the expansions will be bigger than anything in Warmachine. Expect huge minis!

Buying now ensures you'll be able to get them without having to hunt them down or stare at eternal "out of stock" or "sold out" notices. Also helps unlock more stuff for free. But yes, if you want to save money on the expansions and chance the availability then you're probably better off waiting.

Free SGs are underwhelming? 6 player characters, 2 bosses, a handful of mobs and a demon are quite exciting to me. That's not even mentioning the terrain (including bonfire!) and numerous card decks. And there's plenty more to come.

 Pacific wrote:
Going on the company's other releases, would anyone with experience of them care to comment on the quality?

I've found stuff like Zombiecide Black Plague to be perfectly acceptable to spend time on painting (very good, even) is this likely to fall within the same ballpark?

Zombiecide and Bloodrage-like is what SFG told me to expect in the KS comments.

IF they match the quality of Zombicide Black Plague AND Blood Rage, then we'll all be happy!

 Alpharius wrote:
IF they match the quality of Zombicide Black Plague AND Blood Rage, then we'll all be happy!

Is that the case? Even the painters?

I've never seen these minis first hand.

 Alpharius wrote:
Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

No reason to pledge now that I see- I don't think there is anything exclusive to the Kickstarter. I'm personally just going to wait for reviews. Of course, I was never really into Dark Souls to begin with.

The comment about how "Chinese PVC" is fantastic made me laugh a bit. Some manufacturers do good work, and sometimes you get Relic Knights. I'm not sure when is ever prefer PVC to HIPS/Resin unless cost is a factor.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

No reason to pledge now that I see- I don't think there is anything exclusive to the Kickstarter. I'm personally just going to wait for reviews. Of course, I was never really into Dark Souls to begin with.

The comment about how "Chinese PVC" is fantastic made me laugh a bit. Some manufacturers do good work, and sometimes you get Relic Knights. I'm not sure when is ever prefer PVC to HIPS/Resin unless cost is a factor.

Can't really do these types of one-piece models in HIPS.

 Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

No reason to pledge now that I see- I don't think there is anything exclusive to the Kickstarter. I'm personally just going to wait for reviews. Of course, I was never really into Dark Souls to begin with.

The comment about how "Chinese PVC" is fantastic made me laugh a bit. Some manufacturers do good work, and sometimes you get Relic Knights. I'm not sure when is ever prefer PVC to HIPS/Resin unless cost is a factor.

Can't really do these types of one-piece models in HIPS.

Are these going to be "bendy" PVC then?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those expansions...so expensive.

Any guesses how many there will be?

And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

No reason to pledge now that I see- I don't think there is anything exclusive to the Kickstarter. I'm personally just going to wait for reviews. Of course, I was never really into Dark Souls to begin with.

The comment about how "Chinese PVC" is fantastic made me laugh a bit. Some manufacturers do good work, and sometimes you get Relic Knights. I'm not sure when is ever prefer PVC to HIPS/Resin unless cost is a factor.

Can't really do these types of one-piece models in HIPS.

Are these going to be "bendy" PVC then?

They are being made by Ludo Fact, so expect CMON quality. The only bendy bits on those are thin extremities. It's fairly rigid overall.

 Alpharius wrote:
And any reason to 'buy now' vs. 'buy later from some place that will sell them for quite a bit less'?

All of the unlocked 'free' stretch goals seem...underwhelming and/or were going to be included anyway.

According to the a fairly recent update, "Note that the new players characters will have band new models as well as unique cards/stats...they will be included in the KS core pledge, not the final retail boxed product...player characters will be boxed and released to retail for those people that missed out on the KS."

I'm not sure if the other stretch goals then upgrade the retail box but at least anything that is considered "new player characters" won't be in the retail box. I'm still not sure that is enough incentive to buy now vs later. In most cases, at least with expansions, it has always been better to buy the expansions later if they don't have a KS Exclusive in them (which I don't think these do).

 Alpharius wrote:
IF they match the quality of Zombicide Black Plague AND Blood Rage, then we'll all be happy

I believe those were done by Ludo Fact. They will be manufacturing the game and components as well for this KS.

I'm underwhelmed so far. That Bloodborne hunter from Rum and Bones 2 is a more inteesting mini than what's offered here and he doesn't even have a saw cleaver! Saves me quite a bit of money, though.

PS: I got a scratch built saw cleaver but I can't decide which one of my Nurgle Marines should get it

Many thanks for the replies re. sculpt quality guys.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
IF they match the quality of Zombicide Black Plague AND Blood Rage, then we'll all be happy!

Is that the case? Even the painters?

I've never seen these minis first hand.

As a middle of the road painter (on a good day), I think they're perfectly fine. Spent many happy hours painting up the character figs with a bit of detail and batch-painting the zombies. I can't speak for the 'high end' guys who paint eyeballs on 15mm figures or NMM though..

It's supposed to be the same factory the Journey used, right? That stuff was definitely the best PVC I've ever seen, which means about on par with decent HIPS and generally worth painting.

I'm waiting this out for now. The only minis I've seen that are must haves for me are Stein and Smough. I'm confident I'll be able to pick this up locally in the future. But if Solaire is included that could be the tipping point for me.

Still no clear infos from Steamforged about big parts of the game. Bandai is holding the leash pretty tight and who would have thought that a board game for a big name like Dark Souls might get so many backers and should have pre-approved lots of stretchgoals?

Very underwhelmed so far, sticking with my minimum pledge.