General Trans bathroom thread, incl. target, federal involvement and more

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**AlmightyWalrus**

I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

**Goliath**

My bet is on genderqueer people.

"I can accept changing from one side to the other, but you can't be partway!" or objections to that effect.

**Easy E**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

If you talk to a Rightie, they will tell you it will be Heteros.

**jasper76**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

It'll just stay atheists.

But to be honest, I don't think LGBTQ will ever be fully excepted in a society with a significant population that reveres the Bible as a source of morality. The Bible is pretty clear on how it views homosexuals.

**skyth**

The Bible is pretty clear that owning slaves is okay as well...

**jasper76**

skyth wrote:
The Bible is pretty clear that owning slaves is okay as well...

Indeed it is. The justification to own slaves is always there in the background to be dug up, it's just not in fashion at present.

Likewise, the justification to mistreat homosexuals will always be there to be dug up, even if mistreating homosexuals goes out of fashion.

**Easy E**

A follow-up story:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/04/25/conservative-christian-group-boycotting-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/83491396/

A conservative Christian activist group has gained more than half a million signatures and counting from people pledging to boycott Target over its transgender bathroom policy.

The petition started by the American Family Association on Wednesday raises concerns that Target's inclusive stance on transgender rights encourages sexual predators and puts women and young girls in danger, because "a man can simply say he 'feels like a woman today' and enter the women's restroom."

The boycott has more than 744,800 signatures as of Tuesday afternoon, marking it as one of AFA's most popular campaigns.

"This is the best response we’ve ever had this quick," says AFA President Tim Wildmon, attributing the protest's viral nature to the fact that "everybody knows who Target is, and it’s an easy-to-understand issue."

Wildmon says Target stands "to lose a lot of customers who won't come back." But Target is standing by its policy.

"We certainly respect that there are a wide variety of perspectives and opinions," says Target spokeswoman Molly Snyder. "As a company that firmly stands behind what it means to offer our team an inclusive place to work — and our guests an inclusive place to shop — we continue to believe that this is the right thing for Target."

She added that hundreds of Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."

arget made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity." The announcement comes as legislation on transgender issues in multiple states has spurred several major corporations and businesses to take a stance on LGBT rights.

Deutsche Bank halted a plan to add 250 jobs to an outpost of the company in North Carolina after the state passed a law requiring transgender people using public bathrooms to use the one associated with the sex on their birth certificate.

The American Family Association, a non-profit based in Tupelo, Miss., frequently protests on issues that target what it considers traditional family values. Its more recent campaigns include canceling the organization's use of PayPal after that company pulled back on plans to open a new facility in North Carolina due to the state's transgender bathroom law.

**Buttery Commissar**

jasper76 wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

It'll just stay atheists.

But to be honest, I don't think LGBTQ will ever be fully excepted in a society with a significant population that reveres the Bible as a source of morality. The Bible is pretty clear on how it views homosexuals.

How many more generations will have a Christian majority?
In the UK, church congregations are generally people aged 40+ and churches are closing and combining. There has been a real push to encourage younger people to join the calling.

Is this also happening stateside?

**LordofHats**

Buttery Commissar wrote:

Is this also happening stateside?

Yes. But something to keep in mind is that's the Churchs that are drawing in young people in droves right now are the kind we normally make fun of for being bat gak crazy (those radical evangelical types who think earth is only 6000 years old), or new denominations that are quite different from older ones. Mormonism is one of the fastest growing brands of Christian in the US right now. If you were to go to say, an Angelical church in the US you'd probably see mostly old people in their late 40s and 50s.

Guess what I'm saying is that it's really the "old guard" churches that are experiencing a declines. A lot of newer ones are growing quite fast (in the US).

**jreilly89**

Buttery Commissar wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

It'll just stay atheists.

But to be honest, I don't think LGBTQ will ever be fully excepted in a society with a significant population that reveres the Bible as a source of morality. The Bible is pretty clear on how it views homosexuals.
How many more generations will have a Christian majority?
In the UK, church congregations are generally people aged 40+ and churches are closing and combining. There has been a real push to encourage younger people to join the calling.

Is this also happening stateside?

Yes. A percentage people are either losing faith or becoming more ambiguous, i.e. agnostic. With some quick google-fu, here are some news stories.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10626076/Is-America-losing-faith-Atheism-on-the-rise-but-still-in-the-shadows.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/upshot/the-rise-of-young-americans-who-dont-believe-in-god.html?_r=0

Pew Research Center actually has a TON of statistics on religion.

http://www.pewforum.org/

**jasper76**

Buttery Commissar wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I wonder what sexual minority is going to be the Great Satan once transgenders are finally accepted.

It'll just stay atheists.

But to be honest, I don't think LGBTQ will ever be fully excepted in a society with a significant population that reveres the Bible as a source of morality. The Bible is pretty clear on how it views homosexuals.
How many more generations will have a Christian majority?
In the UK, church congregations are generally people aged 40+ and churches are closing and combining. There has been a real push to encourage younger people to join the calling.

Is this also happening stateside?

Religion is on the decline in the US, but Christians are still the majority. No idea how long it will take for that to flip, if it will flip, or what the future has in store for religion in the US.

**MrMoustaffa**

Dreadwinter wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Indica ion

Copper Mountain, Colorado huh? I see what you did there.

I will admit that my phone's autocorrect is apparently far more clever than I am, what's the joke here?

**Laughing Man**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Dreadwinter wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Indica ion

Copper Mountain, Colorado huh? I see what you did there.

I will admit that my phone's autocorrect is apparently far more clever than I am, what's the joke here?

Indica is a strain of marijuana.

**WrentheFaceless**

Glad all these southern states are having such a wonderful budget surplus that they can wast their time on laws like this

Oh wait, most of them are running horrible horrible deficits? You dont say...

**MrMoustaffa**

Laughing Man wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Dreadwinter wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Indica ion

Copper Mountain, Colorado huh? I see what you did there.

I will admit that my phone's autocorrect is apparently far more clever than I am, what's the joke here?

Indica is a strain of marijuana.

Ahhh that explains it. Never touched the ol' devil's lettuce so those kind of references go right over my head.

Gotten a lot of strange looks over that ever since I got up here too

**SilverMK2**

Do Targets bathrooms count as "public facilities" as per the new Oxford law, given they are in privately owned building run by a privately owned company?

**Kilkrazy**

They are public in the sense that the general public has an implicit right of access to the shop, like railway stations and hotels, which all exist for the purpose that the public should go into them.

**insaniak**

BuFFo wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Wait....people still shop at Target....I think...I might have one near me somewhere...

My girlfriend does.... and she would never want to share a bathroom with a man, for what that's worth.

But how does she feel about sharing a bathroom with someone who looks like a man, but is forced by the law to share her bathroom because of their outward gender at birth?

And how does she tell the people who just look like men from the ones who are men?

**bound for glory**

Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

**kronk**

Kilkrazy wrote:
I'm thinking of visiting my brother this summer, who is American and lives in Oregon. I am a UK citizen.

Will US officials be able to recognise a UK birth certificate, to grant me access to the correct lavatory?

Probably not, as it's most likely written in English and not American.

**Frazzled**

bound for glory wrote:
Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

Couldn't they do that now?

**kronk**

bound for glory wrote:
Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

That could happen now.

**Spinner**

bound for glory wrote:
Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

Like the people who think that allowing transgender people into the bathroom of the gender they identify with will make bathroom rape legal? Or the people who think a "guys/girls only" sign on a bathroom will stop rapists?

**Ouze**

No guys, rapists are deterred by laws telling them not to go in the bathroom.

No idea how many times this ideological hamster wheel can spin with zero progress.

The funny thing about this is that it's the right wing who pushes for these stupid laws, while also being the first to point out that we shouldn't have any more gun control because criminals don't follow the law anyway. The cognitive dissonance is just breathtaking.

**agnosto**

So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

**TheCustomLime**

Spinner wrote:
bound for glory wrote:
Can't wait for the first assult on a woman by a guy who puts one and one togeather and thinks,"hey! if i dress like a lady, i can go in a rest room and rape a woman!"

I don't think it will take much time until it happens. Mean to say, all it will take is for a women to feel threatened by a transgendered person, and we're off...

Bad decisions just to catter to a tiny segment of mankind.

Like the people who think that allowing transgender people into the bathroom of the gender they identify with will make bathroom rape legal? Or the people who think a "guys/girls only" sign on a bathroom will stop rapists?

Hey, don't let logic get in the way of sensationalism and "WONT ANYONE THINK OF DA CHILDREN?!".

**A Town Called Malus**

agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

People can live without Target. They cannot live without coffee.

Just picking their battles

**bound for glory**

It could certainly happen now. But why open that can of worms(no pun intended.)?

I have a first cousin who is transgendered, and she and her "click" are against all this "look at me!! I'm so special everyone should cater to me and i will bully you until you do so" mindset. She refuses to "make waves" so to speak. and would rather not drawl attention to herself.

I understrand and respect that.

**agnosto**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

People can live without Target. They cannot live without coffee.

Just picking their battles

My local Target has a Starbucks so it'd be the same bathroom in that case anyway.

**Ouze**

bound for glory wrote:
I have a first cousin who is transgendered, and she and her "click" are against all this "look at me!! I'm so special everyone should cater to me and i will bully you until you do so" mindset. She refuses to "make waves" so to speak. and would rather not drawl attention to herself.

I understrand and respect that.

She's one of the good ones, huh? She doesn't even want to eat at that lunch counter, anyway.

agnosto wrote:
So, where's the outrage over Starbucks following the same policy?

I'd point out that Barnes & Nobles also has the same policy, but I suspect the people who think this is a good hill to die on might not be heavy readers.