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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
But keep on plugging that agenda there md


What agenda might that be, sir?


Your anti Transgender agenda. Seeing how you have called them rapists, called a famous transgender woman a he and by her old name and kept trying to defend debunked sources along with satire sources. It's pretty easy to see, but you wanted to make a big deal about it.

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 Frazzled wrote:
BC, have you had issues in locker rooms or bathrooms? If so how would a change in law have helped (or other policy).

obviously you don't have to answer.


EDIT: with that new avatar I'm going to have to start calling you MM the Manic Machete!
I have not encountered hostility or legal issue in a locker room.
I have been ejected from my biological gender restroom on occasion due to being mistaken. I have never tried to attend either matching my identity, as I tend to travel alone, and the prospect of being seen and jumped by angry men frightens me.

So far as lockers go, mixed sex, private and family changing areas are more common here. I'll be the one scuttling into somewhere with a door, and trying to avoid anyone on the way in or out.
When given no alternative, I find it frightening and one of the very few times I do experience body dysphoria to change in close proximity to my biological matches. There is a sensation of being "found out" as trans which is ridiculous as physically I look identical to those around me (albeit with some unrelated large torso scars).

So far as the bathroom goes, I managed to find it amusing. There are a lot of things I don't get upset by, else I'd spend my entire life upset.

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 Ustrello wrote:
Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
But keep on plugging that agenda there md


What agenda might that be, sir?


Your anti Transgender agenda. Seeing how you have called them rapists, called a famous transgender woman a he and by her old name and kept trying to defend debunked sources along with satire sources. It's pretty easy to see, but you wanted to make a big deal about it.


Oh my!!

Please quote a post where I called Transgenders rapists. Where I used those words specifically.

I am calling Bruce Jenner by his old and soon to be new name again. I wonder what the Transgender community will think when he *officially* announces his detransitioning?I wonder how much support he will get from them then? I suppose they will shun him and say he wasn't a "real" Transgender.

I am not Anti-Transgender. We are merely having a discussion and you are resorting to name calling because you don't like my opinions. Your intolerance for anyone's opinions but yours are terrible.



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 Buttery Commissar wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
BC, have you had issues in locker rooms or bathrooms? If so how would a change in law have helped (or other policy).

obviously you don't have to answer.


EDIT: with that new avatar I'm going to have to start calling you MM the Manic Machete!
I have not encountered hostility or legal issue in a locker room.
I have been ejected from my biological gender restroom on occasion due to being mistaken. I have never tried to attend either matching my identity, as I tend to travel alone, and the prospect of being seen and jumped by angry men frightens me.

So far as lockers go, mixed sex, private and family changing areas are more common here. I'll be the one scuttling into somewhere with a door, and trying to avoid anyone on the way in or out.
When given no alternative, I find it frightening and one of the very few times I do experience body dysphoria to change in close proximity to my biological matches. There is a sensation of being "found out" as trans which is ridiculous as physically I look identical to those around me (albeit with some unrelated large torso scars).

So far as the bathroom goes, I managed to find it amusing. There are a lot of things I don't get upset by, else I'd spend my entire life upset.


Intriguing. What suggestions would be helpful in this area?

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Buttery Commissar wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
BC, have you had issues in locker rooms or bathrooms? If so how would a change in law have helped (or other policy).

obviously you don't have to answer.


EDIT: with that new avatar I'm going to have to start calling you MM the Manic Machete!
I have not encountered hostility or legal issue in a locker room.
I have been ejected from my biological gender restroom on occasion due to being mistaken. I have never tried to attend either matching my identity, as I tend to travel alone, and the prospect of being seen and jumped by angry men frightens me.

So far as lockers go, mixed sex, private and family changing areas are more common here. I'll be the one scuttling into somewhere with a door, and trying to avoid anyone on the way in or out.
When given no alternative, I find it frightening and one of the very few times I do experience body dysphoria to change in close proximity to my biological matches. There is a sensation of being "found out" as trans which is ridiculous as physically I look identical to those around me (albeit with some unrelated large torso scars).

So far as the bathroom goes, I managed to find it amusing. There are a lot of things I don't get upset by, else I'd spend my entire life upset.


Intriguing. What suggestions would be helpful in this area?
I'm sincerely uncertain. I can no more speak for how to solve that for everyone, than a parent could speak for every other parent.

I will say that this idea, of people glimpsing someone's body when changing and being surprised, is laughable to the majority of trans friends I have conversed with.
We are the ones who are often expressly avoiding the prospect of nudity around ourselves and other people. The person striding into the gym already in gear and then leaving, is more likely to be trans than someone accidentally exposing their pickle in the ladies room.
We are the ones venturing into the "wrong" bathroom with friends stood by the door in case someone wanders in. Or slinking ashamedly out of the disabled bathroom because we had to go somewhere.


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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
But keep on plugging that agenda there md


What agenda might that be, sir?


Your anti Transgender agenda. Seeing how you have called them rapists, called a famous transgender woman a he and by her old name and kept trying to defend debunked sources along with satire sources. It's pretty easy to see, but you wanted to make a big deal about it.


Oh my!!

Please quote a post where I called Transgenders rapists. Where I used those words specifically.


Right here:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Men are more powerful than women. A Transgender Female has male hormones (for the most part) and is not biologically a female. Therefore they can, and in some instances will overpower someone they may feel they can.


Perhaps not technically used that specific word (rapist), but the spectre of a FtM rapist is exactly what you put across.


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 feeder wrote:

Perhaps not technically used that specific word (rapist), but the spectre of a FtM rapist is exactly what you put across.



I did not call anyone a rapist. People's interpretation of my words are beyond my control.




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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
But keep on plugging that agenda there md


What agenda might that be, sir?


Your anti Transgender agenda. Seeing how you have called them rapists, called a famous transgender woman a he and by her old name and kept trying to defend debunked sources along with satire sources. It's pretty easy to see, but you wanted to make a big deal about it.


Oh my!!

Please quote a post where I called Transgenders rapists. Where I used those words specifically.

I am calling Bruce Jenner by his old and soon to be new name again. I wonder what the Transgender community will think when he *officially* announces his detransitioning?I wonder how much support he will get from them then? I suppose they will shun him and say he wasn't a "real" Transgender.

I am not Anti-Transgender. We are merely having a discussion and you are resorting to name calling because you don't like my opinions. Your intolerance for anyone's opinions but yours are terrible.






Men are more powerful than women. A Transgender Female has male hormones (for the most part) and is not biologically a female. Therefore they can, and in some instances will overpower someone they may feel they can.


You mean that quote people have been pointing out to you for pages now?

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Mdlbuildr wrote:


I am calling Bruce Jenner by his old and soon to be new name again. I wonder what the Transgender community will think when he *officially* announces his detransitioning?I wonder how much support he will get from them then? I suppose they will shun him and say he wasn't a "real" Transgender.




At has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was a FAKE story from day one, never true, The fake source found out and admitted it to be false, confirmed by multiple sources including Jenner directly, and is generally seen as spreading this false rumor as a way to justify hate and violence against transgender people under the stance of 'See? it is just a phase, just like homosexuality...'

Maybe since it is confirmed this is a fake story with ZERO TRUTH, you can stop calling Caitlyn Genner a HE or BRUCE? Or are you incapable of abandoning your agenda that you need to propagate a false story to back your position because you are either grossly ignorant or intellectually dishonest? (neither of which is a great thing to be when attempting to discuss issues with others)

And your comments on 'Potential rapists' have been re-quoted plenty of times and is pretty clear.

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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 feeder wrote:

Perhaps not technically used that specific word (rapist), but the spectre of a FtM rapist is exactly what you put across.



I did not call anyone a rapist. People's interpretation of my words are beyond my control.


So you bring up points of sexual assaults in bathrooms and then put that doozie out there? yeah you were calling them rapists you are just angry because people are calling you out on that fear mongering crap

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Yeah, that quote is absurd. The history of violence against transgender people demonstrates pretty well that they have way more to fear from society as a whole than society has reasons to fear them.
   
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Once again, I did not call anyone a rapist. I have no control over anyone's perception of what I said exactly.

Gosh, reading comprehension is really lacking in this forum.

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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 feeder wrote:

Perhaps not technically used that specific word (rapist), but the spectre of a FtM rapist is exactly what you put across.



I did not call anyone a rapist. People's interpretation of my words are beyond my control.


Given the context of your words, I am struggling to think of what else you meant by "overpower".

Pin them down and give them a good tickling? Forcibly braid their hair?

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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Once again, I did not call anyone a rapist. I have no control over anyone's perception of what I said exactly.

Gosh, reading comprehension is really lacking in this forum.
What were you trying to say?


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 feeder wrote:
Mdlbuildr wrote:
 feeder wrote:

Perhaps not technically used that specific word (rapist), but the spectre of a FtM rapist is exactly what you put across.



I did not call anyone a rapist. People's interpretation of my words are beyond my control.


Given the context of your words, I am struggling to think of what else you meant by "overpower".

Pin them down and give them a good tickling? Forcibly braid their hair?


I didn't realize "overpower" equates to rape in any context.

If I meant "rape", that's what I would have written.

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What did you mean by 'overpower' then?

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 curran12 wrote:
What did you mean by 'overpower' then?


He has avoided answering that question for pages now, maybe we should stop trying to overpowering him for an answer. What he says and doesn't say makes his intend clear enough.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
What did you mean by 'overpower' then?


He has avoided answering that question for pages now, maybe we should stop trying to overpowering him for an answer. What he says and doesn't say makes his intend clear enough.


Pretty much what I've been saying. His intentions that is.

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Mdlbuildr wrote:
Someone criticized one of my sources because it was FOX News.


That is because, by and large, Fox News isn't a reliable source for anything other than propaganda. Even in the politics thread, some of the people who happen to agree with the article they are posting from that site caveat with "This is from Fox News so.."

Independent fact checking organizations routinely find that Fox, out of all of the American news networks, is the most dishonest. This dishonesty can range from ideological twisting or omission of fact, to quite simply making things up.



Using this, you can understand why so many of us on these forums don't react positively when you post from Fox News. You can roll with it, and put a caveat in front of your post, as some people do, or find more legitimate sources who have a more trustworthy perception.
   
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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'd have thought all of that would be obvious, but now that we've got THAT out of the way, hopefully we can move forward?


Someone criticized one of my sources because it was FOX News.


This is kind of a fun fakeout you have going. Yes, people get called out for posting Fox News links all the time, because Fox News has a tendency to slant stories to paint them towards their bias. I do believe you when you say you did that, and it happened to you. Look, now we're arguing about if Fox News is reliable or not!

But that's not what happened HERE. What happened HERE was you made a ludicrous claim, and when called on to source it, you supplied 3 URLS: one from a site that literally doesn't say what you claim it does in any way, one from someone selling a tell-all book about the Kardashians and it's an anonymous source, and one from a satirical website which literally says nothing on this page is true.

So, saying someone called you out on your Fox News posting is probably true, but also totally not relevant to this thread in any way.

You keep asking you what is a reliable source, because you seem to think the way debates work is that you throw out a ludicrous claim, and then expect all the other posters to debunk it for you. That's not how it works. I can't just say, for example, that I read an interview with you where you admitted that you're a huge troll, and link you to a shady website, and then ask you to prove it's not true (although you can prove it's not true, because it's got a satirical disclaimer on it!).

If you don't understand what an average person considers to be a fairly reliable source, then you have issues beyond the assistance of a wargaming forum.




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 Ouze wrote:

If you don't understand what an average person considers to be a fairly reliable source, then you have issues beyond the assistance of a wargaming forum.


I feel that I need to add here, that when we are calling on a "reliable source," we're not asking for reliable scholarly evidence... this isn't an academic debate or discussion, as Ouze points out... this is a wargaming forum, pretty much all of us here love some form of table top gaming that involves the use of models.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
I can't just say, for example, that I read an interview with you where you admitted that you're a huge troll, and link you to a shady website, and then ask you to prove it's not true (although you can prove it's not true, because it's got a satirical disclaimer on it!).


You win the OT. We can just close the forum now, nothing will ever beat this.

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 d-usa wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
What did you mean by 'overpower' then?


He has avoided answering that question for pages now, maybe we should stop trying to overpowering him for an answer. What he says and doesn't say makes his intend clear enough.


I think it's quite obvious. He's saying, "Now, these transgendered MtF would be enabled to go into women's bathrooms and, once in there, be able to overpower women and perform an act that may or may not be rape but I did not make a conclusive statement either way. And such we must not allow transgenders into women's bathrooms so that they may or may not perform an act that may or may not be rape but I didn't say anything to either effect".


How dare you all twist his words and allege that he's calling transgendered people rapists.

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Heh, looking around some of those links, reportquickly.com has a headline that says "Man Tried To Trade Kidnapped Baby For 15 Big Macs". I'd say them reporting the Jenner thing is all the evidence I need to call it fake.
   
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 TheWaspinator wrote:
Heh, looking around some of those links, reportquickly.com has a headline that says "Man Tried To Trade Kidnapped Baby For 15 Big Macs". I'd say them reporting the Jenner thing is all the evidence I need to call it fake.


You mean that as a rational adult, you can use your common sense to decide that a website that runs stories such as "Study Proves 80% Of Atlanta’s African American Population Is Gay", "Chicago Teen Arrested After Calling 911 Asking “Where The Hoes At?", "Eminem, Dead at 43", "Paula Deen: “I Love Watermelons, Tacos and Guacamole Too Much To Be Racist”", and "Donald Trump Says Cecil The Lion’s Life Was More Valuable Than Most Blacks" might not be accurate reporting?

I don't understand how any reasonable person could come to that conclusion without scrolling to the bottom of each page and reading "Please note that articles written on this site are for entertainment and satirical purposes only."

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 Ouze wrote:
I can't just say, for example, that I read an interview with you where you admitted that you're a huge troll, and link you to a shady website, and then ask you to prove it's not true (although you can prove it's not true, because it's got a satirical disclaimer on it!).

That is gold, pure gold. I commend you sir and your hard-hitting fact-based news site. Truly 'Totally Trustworthy News' is the news we deserve. I can only hope it lives on to provide more fair and balanced articles to the hardworking people of Dakka in the future.


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 Ouze wrote:
I can't just say, for example, that I read an interview with you where you admitted that you're a huge troll, and link you to a shady website, and then ask you to prove it's not true (although you can prove it's not true, because it's got a satirical disclaimer on it!).
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 Ouze wrote:


You keep asking you what is a reliable source, because you seem to think the way debates work is that you throw out a ludicrous claim, and then expect all the other posters to debunk it for you. That's not how it works. I can't just say, for example, that I read an interview with you where you admitted that you're a huge troll, and link you to a shady website, and then ask you to prove it's not true (although you can prove it's not true, because it's got a satirical disclaimer on it!).


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