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These "rumours" are nicely tailored to their audience.

Chikout wrote:
I am highly dubious of this. From what I understand the end times and age of sigmar was in planning for years, so why start to make a new starter set. The stuff about scheduling meetings to avoid Kirby also sounds like nonsense. Didn't they already talk about plans for the Lotr game which did not include war of the ring? They haven't even don't the second part of war zone Fenris yet. How will there be time for two more this year?

The Bretonnia stuff reinforces this for me, I think it was Hastings over at Warseer who confirmed laying eyes on these 2-3 years back. If I remember he said they were set for a new army book and a full mini overhaul, then sigmar hit and they got shelved.

Taking these rumors with a pinch of salt...



Edit: probably need more salt still....

Sounds like a mix of somewhat credible older rumors, some extrapolation of recent events, and then quite a few pieces of wishlisting.

Sure, I would love a new Orks vs. Blood Angels campaign with klan formations, but I don't think it's very likely.

Maybe tailored to their audience, but no denying the company is listening to their audience.

I've seen nothing but better things since Kirby was replaced.

 ShaneTB wrote:

On fantasy there will be a tournament format for AoS with points. The sales
plummeted for AoS but the current fantasy range sales look healthier than
before the change...

This part certainly raises an eyebrow.

Without saying anything about the overall veracity of the post, it being Something Awful(ie the bridge under which internet trolls are spawned) via Naffy; that point does match up with what Hastings has heard from GWHQ(that AoS has tanked) and with what we've seen from the LCTB section(ie GW offering limited additional runs because stuff is selling out so quickly).

It's probably BS, but it is fairly plausible BS.

True or not I like the image of a frazzled Kirby yelling at everyone that people don't even read the rules they just buy the models to HHHHHHOBBY, as security removes him from the board room.

Seems totally legit.

One thing that will never change is that prices will NEVER be rolled back. And that may ultimately doom them regardless of what else they do. Sales have been tanking for what, 3 years now?

No one who shops at Wal-Mart or Toys-R-Us is going to buy their little Johnny little plastic men that require glue and paint for $40. So going retail at this point isn't even going to help them unless they cut their prices by 25% or more.

Yes, Roundtree has clearly turned some things around, but if no-one can afford it it doesn't matter.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:

On fantasy there will be a tournament format for AoS with points. The sales
plummeted for AoS but the current fantasy range sales look healthier than
before the change...

This part certainly raises an eyebrow.

Without saying anything about the overall veracity of the post, it being Something Awful(ie the bridge under which internet trolls are spawned) via Naffy; that point does match up with what Hastings has heard from GWHQ(that AoS has tanked) and with what we've seen from the LCTB section(ie GW offering limited additional runs because stuff is selling out so quickly).

It's probably BS, but it is fairly plausible BS.

The first part of that rumored has been thoroughly debunked as seen HERE in this post by Atia. Something that is easily verifiable as incorrect does nothing to help lend any credence to any of the other rumors provided.

A lot of common sense in these "rumors".

The 2 campaign books:
Fenris Part.2 will give the Grey Knight a detachment.

Then you get Blood Angels versus Tyranids again or whatnot part 1 in november and part 2 will come out in january/february of next year just like last year.

Targeting back the kid is already coming in a future very soon with the Battle For Vedros set.

8th edition sounds a lot like the "living edition" they wanted to pull out with 6th. They could have done errata for 6th to 7th instead of only buying a new BRB at the time. Sure it would not have been optimal but people like me would have just bought the new BRB fully updated anyway.



I could become a rumormonger!!!

There's that much salt on this thread - I'm in danger of dying from coronary heart disease!

On a more serious note, I'm convinced that these rumours are bull. Why? Because there's no way a company like Forge World would say there's a gap in the market for a ranked up fantasy game. FW will know as well as anybody that Kings of War exists.

Re. the Roundtree comments, the company definitely seems it has turned round, in the sense that they no longer seem like they are trying to feth followers of their games with every decision (veterans get special attention)

Dudeface wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I am highly dubious of this. From what I understand the end times and age of sigmar was in planning for years, so why start to make a new starter set. The stuff about scheduling meetings to avoid Kirby also sounds like nonsense. Didn't they already talk about plans for the Lotr game which did not include war of the ring? They haven't even don't the second part of war zone Fenris yet. How will there be time for two more this year?

The Bretonnia stuff reinforces this for me, I think it was Hastings over at Warseer who confirmed laying eyes on these 2-3 years back. If I remember he said they were set for a new army book and a full mini overhaul, then sigmar hit and they got shelved.

I've always thought of Bretonnia players as being historicals players that haven't realised it quite yet

Other than crushing greenskins under-hoof with lance formations, really there isn't anything in the concept of Bretonnians that you can't find in a dozen historical game systems and lots of fantasy ones for that matter (Perry + KoW = done!)

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
There's that much salt on this thread - I'm in danger of dying from coronary heart disease!

On a more serious note, I'm convinced that these rumours are bull. Why? Because there's no way a company like Forge World would say there's a gap in the market for a ranked up fantasy game. FW will know as well as anybody that Kings of War exists.

The salt level was only 10% less than a lethal dose.

 Desubot wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
There's that much salt on this thread - I'm in danger of dying from coronary heart disease!

On a more serious note, I'm convinced that these rumours are bull. Why? Because there's no way a company like Forge World would say there's a gap in the market for a ranked up fantasy game. FW will know as well as anybody that Kings of War exists.

The salt level was only 10% less than a lethal dose.

Oh God, I shouldn't have had seconds!

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Faeit...

I'm ever eager to mock them but this time "It's Faeit" isn't a valid argument since they're listing their source.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Faeit...

I'm ever eager to mock them but this time "It's Faeit" isn't a valid argument since they're listing their source.

But since that source doesn't appear on any more credible source(and is the source even reliable himself?) but only on the site that never gets it right first...

 SickSix wrote:
No one who shops at Wal-Mart or Toys-R-Us is going to buy their little Johnny little plastic men that require glue and paint for $40. So going retail at this point isn't even going to help them unless they cut their prices by 25% or more.

There's plenty of more expensive toys and games at those stores. Besides, I've seen X-Wing in Target, and that's $40 for three little ships and some dice. Munchkin: Legends is a Target exclusive costing $25 for a deck of cards. Besides, they're also marketing Vedros as a hobby, where doing some painting is part of the idea. Vedros is one of their better ideas in quite some time, IMO.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Faeit...

I'm ever eager to mock them but this time "It's Faeit" isn't a valid argument since they're listing their source.

But since that source doesn't appear on any more credible source(and is the source even reliable himself?) but only on the site that never gets it right first...

So, you mock the source, and not the echochamber that is Faeit.

It funny thinking about it. the stuff GW ships is straight up states that this is not for children.

A couple of years ago these rumours would have been nectar. But now? Too late.

I love a good rumour me. Would make sense to do a reprint of the 40k rules to encapsulate the FAQ. It's a bit grandiose of the rumourmonger to call it a new edition though.

As for the campaign books, this is old news isn't it? We've already seen a track record of this.

The rest? Who knows. Could be a couple of rumours meshed together with a lots of added "flavour" and extrapolation. You know how these things grow.

All in all though it fits with the generally positive stuff coming out of the company lately.

I think it boils down to: however much GW shows they care about their customers = how much they care back.

I hope things work out.

8th edi this year with just an updated rulesbook like 7th was just an update to 6th

would not surprise me an I don't expect it to be better

I've also heard that fantasy isn't dead, just moving to specialist games, hoping that's the case.

what's it been about 2 years since 7th? sounds about right, time to make some minor changes, and charge everybody for a new rulebook!

Maybe this has something to do with them asking for FAQ questions? Instead of actually making an FAQ, why not sell it back as a new edition of the game?

@Pacific, Funnily enough it was Bretonnia that killed(or at least dampened) my love of history. After becoming obsessed with knights and understanding their hate for gunpowder, it becomes harder to read a book that gleefully throws it in your face thaf knighthood died and everything non-cavalry is the real war winner.

So down with history and hurrah for fantasy I say!

Anyway, I do believe that Bretonnian rumor. Lots of other rumors talked about a finished Bretonnian book that never came out.(little hopeful that those models might get used somehow)

The rest is salt covered for me.

 gorgon wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
No one who shops at Wal-Mart or Toys-R-Us is going to buy their little Johnny little plastic men that require glue and paint for $40. So going retail at this point isn't even going to help them unless they cut their prices by 25% or more.

There's plenty of more expensive toys and games at those stores. Besides, I've seen X-Wing in Target, and that's $40 for three little ships and some dice. Munchkin: Legends is a Target exclusive costing $25 for a deck of cards. Besides, they're also marketing Vedros as a hobby, where doing some painting is part of the idea. Vedros is one of their better ideas in quite some time, IMO.

You can't compare the success of anything Star Wars to anything GW. Star Wars is one of the biggest IPs in the world. (If not THE biggest)

No-one outside the HHHobby has any idea what 40k is. The entire civilized world knows what Star Wars is.

And guess what, the $40 box of 3 ships is enough to actually play X-Wing.

You need to spend a minimum of $120 to play a minimum size Space Marine army. And that doesn't include the books and modelling supplies.

Hmmm... Formations not gone? Well that's the ultimate demise of 40k. Looks like lotr, the hh, and aos sales will have to keep the company afloat.

I can't believe such a massive contender could slide into oblivion... but Kirby really didn't help when he priced many out of the game, created formations to sell models, imbalance, and said rules don't matter.

That's why most have moved on to other games (even miniature board games!). I hate to say it as I used to say 40k is a lifestyle, not a simple game. I really don't enjoy the game anymore, I haven't (and won't) sell my dark angels, but I have so many other games I really enjoy now (wwx, infinity, bmg, mmg, zombicde, descent, etc).

 455_PWR wrote:
Hmmm... Formations not gone? Well that's the ultimate demise of 40k. Looks like lotr, the hh, and aos sales will have to keep the company afloat.

Right, they have done nothing but release formations for the past year, spent all that money publishing books, and then they are going to make them absolutely worthless. That would make perfect business sense.

Yeah, formations are really the death of 40k, and not the bad internal and external balance of the codices. No, it is FORMATIONS that will bring about the end of the fanbase!

 Hulksmash wrote:
It feels like a combination wishlist and taking current activities and extrapolating.

Yep.

There are some kernels of truths in it, as for the rest of it...


Although points for AoS would be a really good idea, wouldn't they.