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 Gamgee wrote:
Tau Codex flyers suck the big one.

Tau flyers are bad? How can it be bad when the bomber is better at shooting air targets while the fighter is better at attacking ground targets? I mean the Tau flyers where clearly well thought out and carefully designed to be optimized and effective combat vehicles

You know what that up-armoured cockpit says to me? Land Speeder Tempest. Get on it GW. Couldn't give less of a feth about sticking more guns on a Stormguppy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, those are both ace. How little work the poor old stormguppy needed to actually look badass, huh?

I assume these are upgrade sprues and not a full remake?

More than likely, yes. I expect they'll kill off the individual kit and sell it as a dual kit at a higher price.


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 sockwithaticket wrote:
You know what that up-armoured cockpit says to me? Land Speeder Tempest. Get on it GW. Couldn't give less of a feth about sticking more guns on a Stormguppy.

This. Loved that Land Speeder!

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 JHall wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One question I would like to know answer to. Will the new ork flier box REPLACE older box(effective price hike for three older models) or as addition(at which point you only pay higher price for new variant and get lots of bits).

My sales rep confirmed this morning that both the Storm Talon and Ork Bomma box are being repacked to include these new options. So they will be a combined kit.

Oh crap. If true I might be better off buyign 2-3 boxes of old boxes quickly...

Nothing against JHall's sales rep, but I would wait for a more official source before I started stockpiling. Sales reps have an incentive to encourage their vendors to buy on emotion.

 Vankraken wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau Codex flyers suck the big one.

Tau flyers are bad? How can it be bad when the bomber is better at shooting air targets while the fighter is better at attacking ground targets? I mean the Tau flyers where clearly well thought out and carefully designed to be optimized and effective combat vehicles

That is very generous. I would say one of them is better at crashing during take off and the other is better at crashing after takeoff.

 EnTyme wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
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 JHall wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One question I would like to know answer to. Will the new ork flier box REPLACE older box(effective price hike for three older models) or as addition(at which point you only pay higher price for new variant and get lots of bits).

My sales rep confirmed this morning that both the Storm Talon and Ork Bomma box are being repacked to include these new options. So they will be a combined kit.

Oh crap. If true I might be better off buyign 2-3 boxes of old boxes quickly...

Nothing against JHall's sales rep, but I would wait for a more official source before I started stockpiling. Sales reps have an incentive to encourage their vendors to buy on emotion.

True that. Problem is do we get sufficient advance warning...

Have burna bomber, would like at least 1 of each plane. Maybe 2 dakkajets.

Hrm, so two "new" flyers that are remarkably like existing kits. Par for the course for GW.

I hope people enjoy this supplement and the updated flyer models.

I'm not interested, for several reasons, but I won't bore you with a wall of text. GW gonna do what GW gonna do.

 Vankraken wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau Codex flyers suck the big one.

Tau flyers are bad? How can it be bad when the bomber is better at shooting air targets while the fighter is better at attacking ground targets? I mean the Tau flyers where clearly well thought out and carefully designed to be optimized and effective combat vehicles

The Razorshark is designed as a strike fighter ie not a dedicated dogfight aircraft.

Here's the definition of strike fighter:

In current military parlance, a strike fighter is a multi-role combat aircraft designed to operate primarily in the air-to-surface attack role while also incorporating certain performance characteristics of a fighter aircraft.

If there's multiple fighter roles then the Tau don't have enough models to make use of them. We have a Bomber and Strike fighter. No air superiority anymore with the loss of the Barricuda. We technically have the AX-1-0 and other large "Titan Killer" aircraft but I doubt they'll reduce them to Fast Attack choices any time soon and allow them to be Air Superiority.

Also yes your correct about Strike Fighters. I'm not opposed to their roles only their effectiveness. Especially the Sunshark I think that's the one with the useless bomblet generator that can jam and not even be fired for the rest of the game. I wish an alternate kit would take it out and put something else there. Fear the St 5 Ap 5 large blast of laughter as your opponents brush it off. It's the equivalent of a napalm launcher minus the fire side effects. Extremely weak.

How much do you want to bet these "roles" will all be based on formations? lol.

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 sockwithaticket wrote:
You know what that up-armoured cockpit says to me? Land Speeder Tempest. Get on it GW. Couldn't give less of a feth about sticking more guns on a Stormguppy.

This. Loved that Land Speeder!

It's still alive and kicking afaik (though for how much longer would remain to be seen given FW's propensity to disappear things). I'd have a squadron in a heartbeat if they were plastic, much as I like a lot of FW stuff I just can't be bothered with the time sink involved with the prep on stuff bigger than infantry most of the time.

Interested to see what this brings for the Cron flyers. I love my Doom Scythes but they're not exactly great atm, would be cool to see them get some sort of boost.

Also wonder if this includes FMCs

This looks interesting, I've a lot of flyers so I'm excited to see how this is going to effect things.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sorry that your Tau didn't get anything new, Sid!

Well I guess there was that massive release last year and the campaign books and FSE stuff, but yeah, this sucks.

I've just really been wanting the plastic barracuda to happen for so long, it's a cool design that unfortunately just wasn't worth it at triple digits. I was really hoping it would happen back in 2013 and was incredibly disappointed we got that ugly POS that we did instead. I was hoping the barracuda going OOP would lead to a plastic release, but I guess not. There's really no excuse not to anymore, with the FW barracuda being effectively retired there's no argument that GW would be cannibalizing their own sales by doing it.

Barracuda is a nice kit and good rules too.

Hope GW listens and puts something out for Tau

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Barracuda is a nice kit and good rules too.

Hope GW listens and puts something out for Tau

The picture does say all races are having new rules for fliers...

Ffyllotek wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Barracuda is a nice kit and good rules too.

Hope GW listens and puts something out for Tau

The picture does say all races are having new rules for fliers...

New rules for (existing) flyers, not new flyers.

All races?

Oh boy, let's see them try and spin the Valkyrie into something that can dogfight with the best of them then!

 BrookM wrote:
All races?

Oh boy, let's see them try and spin the Valkyrie into something that can dogfight with the best of them then!

To be fair, the brief snippet says that Flyers get split into "one of three new Combat Roles"...so maybe Ground Support, Interceptor, Bomber?

 Ghaz wrote:

Ffyllotek wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Barracuda is a nice kit and good rules too.

Hope GW listens and puts something out for Tau

The picture does say all races are having new rules for fliers...

New rules for (existing) flyers, not new flyers.

AFAICT from the pictures it's a new rule supplement with a war zone featuring Imperial Space Marines Vs Orks in the back. Like Apocalypse has new rules for all races but specific rules for Blood Angels vs Orks at Armageddon.

So it looks like the marine flyer has gone from £27 to £33 and the ork from £27 to £42 they really don't want people playing orks do they lol

What the new rules will include.


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 CURNOW wrote:
So it looks like the marine flyer has gone from £27 to £33 and the ork from £27 to £42 they really don't want people playing orks do they lol

And both kits now have an additional sprue.

This looks cool... used to have a post of RAF planes on my wall...

C/O Lady Atia's blog.

I feel sorry for chaos lol. The Helldrake is going to be awful at dogfighting giving it's single choice between weapons. Maybe it will get a point drop though..... Ahahaha

 Red Corsair wrote:
I feel sorry for chaos lol. The Helldrake is going to be awful at dogfighting giving it's single choice between weapons. Maybe it will get a point drop though..... Ahahaha

The chaingun thing on a Heldrake is actually not bad for anti-aircraft. That and it can fly into other aircraft and tear them apart.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Barracuda is a nice kit and good rules too.

Hope GW listens and puts something out for Tau

Doesn't work for me. Fish + Cow does not equal Bird. Jes sayin'.

Gee-whizz, more Space Marine Toys... what about my poor cha.... oh never mind, we all know the drill.

Donning my Loyalist hat, I already have 3 Space Marine Fliers and so will probably give this one a pass. I don't expect it'll have a hover mode (something I rather like about my Storm Pigeons and Storm Seagull). Like the wings, dislike the old Rhino-esque cockpit armour - can't imagine aiming through a letterbox to shoot is much fun either.

Donning my thinkin' cap, I'm pleased the Orks got something. I'm not so keen on the sheer amount of gubbins on it but I'll be tempted if the rules are good and I can modify it to look how I want - I'm in love with the Ork Burna Bomba


And all you people talking about Tau - word on the streets is that the Tau have a new flier incoming. It's called the Guppy - but don't go posting about it or GW will realise there's a leak.

 CURNOW wrote:
So it looks like the marine flyer has gone from £27 to £33 and the ork from £27 to £42 they really don't want people playing orks do they lol

The new Blastajet has a good amount of extra bits when you compare it to the Stormhawk...

Whoa, hold up - £15 on top of the normal Ork kit? This isn't a separate box with all the additional gubbins I don't want?

Cripes - best go and buy another normal box before this lands

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sorry that your Tau didn't get anything new, Sid!

Well I guess there was that massive release last year and the campaign books and FSE stuff, but yeah, this sucks.

I've just really been wanting the plastic barracuda to happen for so long, it's a cool design that unfortunately just wasn't worth it at triple digits. I was really hoping it would happen back in 2013 and was incredibly disappointed we got that ugly POS that we did instead. I was hoping the barracuda going OOP would lead to a plastic release, but I guess not. There's really no excuse not to anymore, with the FW barracuda being effectively retired there's no argument that GW would be cannibalizing their own sales by doing it.

I often see this in threads about upcoming releases and wishlisting, etc. Something along the lines of "I would love to see (FW model "X") released in plastic". I'm pretty new to the hobby, so I'm curious if this is a common thing. Does GW regularly re-release FW models?