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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

geargutz wrote:
I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?

They come out to about 350 points.

Kk, thx, so sm have a little points boon in this....but I wonder, since the dreadnaught doesn't have any real big gun on it's profile, then would it be cheaper (since it's only a melee focused walker)?

geargutz wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Serioulsy, can't wait for these to hit the shelves. The models are a great price, and it gives me an incentive to teach my kids. I've held off on teaching them 40K because it's a bit more complicated.

If your interested in a simple 40k system to play with ur kids then I highly recommend one page 40k https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/one-page-40k/
It's simple enough that I had a basic game with my 8yr old nephew.
I'm gonna try vedros with him, but that's only the select orks and sm in the box, 1p40k covers all 40k factions (minus flyers, some superheavys and fw).

Thank you for the suggestion, I'll check that out

I really like this set. It will do for additional AOBR units that I still have, as well as additional squaddies.

I found that I have a few heavy weapons crews that need to be completed, and added to a home. these look to be just the fit.

Then to get a handle on the rules sets, so we can actually have an reference check, with all of the additional lickies and chewies rules sets that have been added in the past.


A good one for an Ork player, as well. add in a couple of mobs, and you have a pretty good force there. 2-3 more trucks, and add in a few heavy weapons, and boom.

I'm interested.

geargutz wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

geargutz wrote:
I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?

They come out to about 350 points.

Kk, thx, so sm have a little points boon in this....but I wonder, since the dreadnaught doesn't have any real big gun on it's profile, then would it be cheaper (since it's only a melee focused walker)?

Well apart from sprues not designed with this in mind there's also the fact rules are different so 40k points are fairly irrelevant...Can't even field lone terminator! For 40k you are looking to add more stuff anyway so points off here or there isn't that big deal.

Does running your army Unbound let you take individual terminators, or do they still have to follow the rules of the squad they come from?

 Badablack wrote:
Does running your army Unbound let you take individual terminators, or do they still have to follow the rules of the squad they come from?

Yup. Can't bring dedicated transport option of squad either without squad so no lone chimeras running either.

Yes, you have to take the minimum amount. But the single Terminator can be used as a Terminator Captain instead as it is the Sergeant model with Powersword and Stormbolter.

I recently build several of the AOBR starters, and the miniatures are good for conversions, too. I built a Khorne CSM Lord in Terminator armour using one of the AOBR Terminators.

The Ork Boyz can be cut to carry the Loota Deffguns. By combining boxes of Burnaboyz/Lootas with the AOBR Ork bodies you get twice the amount for few money. This can also be done to build Tankbustas (using bits like bombs and RL from the Boyz box) and Flashgitz (using Nobz and Gitz spares).

This is making me want to build an ork force again. My favorite part of it was converting all the different weapons, building vehicles and taking a walk through toy isles for great vehicles or parts or whatever. Add in the mad max/road warrior aesthetic to all the vehicles and you have a great project.

The local 40k and WFB/AoS scene has totally fragmented. It's at the point where building something that's legal in the current edition is a waste of time because the guys you see at a local shop might be playing 4th edition or rogue trader or the 1 page rules or something else I've never heard of. The WFB/AoS fragmentation is even worse with there being 1st, 3rd, 5th through fan 9th, Kings of War and a bunch of other stuff. We've also gone from 6 local stores selling their stuff down to 2 (1 GW, 1 independent), Tournaments have completely vanished as well. The amount of games being played though, appears to have not gone down very much once you add all the little groups playing all the various versions together.

It's actually kind of awesome. It's like when I first started playing. Where you actually have to meet and talk with opponents in advance and talk about what you are doing. No one gives a single thought about whether or not something is "official" anymore.

Great environment for an ork player who likes building and converting.

Good for new players, i just sold also those orks at the last Nagoyahammer, and i have all those Space marines.

Did this actually launch today? Has anyone seen it 'in the wild'?

 MattofWar wrote:
It's actually kind of awesome. It's like when I first started playing. Where you actually have to meet and talk with opponents in advance and talk about what you are doing. No one gives a single thought about whether or not something is "official" anymore.

AOS actually might have been best thing eva for FB afterall. Because it allowed finally players to take the thing on their own hands!

Being official nice, being free to do what you want is even better.

These were allegedly hitting shelves on the 6th? Today?

If True Value stores are supposed to carry them, I cant find any in my state (Maine) who have em. :(

Melevolence wrote:
These were allegedly hitting shelves on the 6th? Today?

If True Value stores are supposed to carry them, I cant find any in my state (Maine) who have em. :(

Their FB page (https://www.facebook.com/battleforvedros/) said so:

I'll raid my local True Value tomorrow and report what I find.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'll raid my local True Value tomorrow and report what I find.

Good stuff. Was sad that all my phone calls turned up with negative results :(

Toy stores? I can't speak for the UK or Canada, but they don't really exist anymore in the US. Have we received any official word on what retailers are carrying these?

those are the ones announced on the facebook page so far,

the rep on facebook also said she'd look to see if there are any local stockists if people want to ask

https://www.facebook.com/battleforvedros/

you cant just say canada and hope that it counts; you actually have to deliver in canada GW

Is that it?! They're rolling it out in like 8 fething stores across the US?! This will be a dismal failure if they don't expand widely quickly.

They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.

I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.

 Hulksmash wrote:
They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.

Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.

It's kind of weird for them to claim that they're "in stores now" when no one seems to be able to actually find them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.

Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.

Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.

 agnosto wrote:
I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.

HobbyTown USA stores are franchise stores, so its probably up to each franchisee as to what they carry beyond the core products.

 agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.

Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.

Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.

Totally true, but you'd be surprised how much leeway the various chains give their individual managers.

My closest B&N bookstore, to use an anecdotal example, has a better X-Wing selection than a hobby shop 5-6 minutes away which actually runs X-Wing tourneys. They stock all the Star Wars FFG stuff, and some of the 40k FFG stuff(it's where I got my copy of Deathwatch: Rites of Battle one day when I was out at that shopping center having lunch with a friend). They also have a small selection of CB's Infinity models and a decent selection of Knight Miniatures' Marvel/DC lines.
They keep the Infinity models in the same location as the manga/anime and they keep the Marvel/DC stuff with their associated comics.

It's kinda awesome, and I've gotten to have a good chat with the manager about how/why it happened--and a lot of the stuff that managers get for JUST their stores don't appear on the website.

 Ghaz wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.

HobbyTown USA stores are franchise stores, so its probably up to each franchisee as to what they carry beyond the core products.

Ah, didn't know that; thanks! Makes complete sense and about the only way that this could work.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.

Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.

Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.

Totally true, but you'd be surprised how much leeway the various chains give their individual managers.

My closest B&N bookstore, to use an anecdotal example, has a better X-Wing selection than a hobby shop 5-6 minutes away which actually runs X-Wing tourneys. They stock all the Star Wars FFG stuff, and some of the 40k FFG stuff(it's where I got my copy of Deathwatch: Rites of Battle one day when I was out at that shopping center having lunch with a friend). They also have a small selection of CB's Infinity models and a decent selection of Knight Miniatures' Marvel/DC lines.
They keep the Infinity models in the same location as the manga/anime and they keep the Marvel/DC stuff with their associated comics.

It's kinda awesome, and I've gotten to have a good chat with the manager about how/why it happened--and a lot of the stuff that managers get for JUST their stores don't appear on the website.

Nice. A little off topic but I like how B&N has changed their business to be more of a "space" rather than just a store. A good example of how businesses can adapt to changing markets.

I still think that GW didn't have to go the "no internet sales!!!" route with a product that's not supposed to be primarily targeted to LGSs; it's unnecessarily limiting exposure to the product to a greater market that has no idea who GW is, has never set foot in a game store, etc.

Banning internet sales is probably a good way to make sure that places like Barnes & Noble and Toys R Us will never touch it. And if they really want to expand to the toy market, that's who they need to sell to.

Really? They seem like places that both want you to go in store. Toy and Bookstores have been massively hit by online sales and have had to change quite a bit to stay afloat.

I think B&N has picked up the same mantra as Waterstones in the UK with Local market focus and selling all sorts of other items. Are they co-owned?

 notprop wrote:
Really? They seem like places that both want you to go in store. Toy and Bookstores have been massively hit by online sales and have had to change quite a bit to stay afloat.

I think B&N has picked up the same mantra as Waterstones in the UK with Local market focus and selling all sorts of other items. Are they co-owned?

That's just it. It'll be a local thing rather than a company-wide initiative. Their terms of sale are so limiting that big store chains will just wave them off and not deal with it. I know it's hard to imagine on this board but GW is very small potatoes in the grand scheme of things and companies would be less willing to deal with their silliness than if they were Lego or the like.

What we'll see is a smaller number of local stores picking this product up rather than broad distribution which is unnecessarily limiting in my opinion (that and a buck could get you a coke).