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Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
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Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
The faction that literally includes Tyranid units(Genestealers and Broodlords-which they revere as their leader), isn't allowed to be Battle Brothers with Tyranids. This is not some power gaming complaint. They are Tyranids who aren't allowed to fully ally with Tyranids. It makes no sense. You're trying to say the army of half human/half Tyranid monsters wouldn't fall under synapse control, or at the least follow their Broodlord anyway? They're already trying to take over the world- the arrival of the Tyranids changes nothing. Just brings in reinforcements.
This is a power gaming complaint.
Seeing as how Genestealers, and their kin, are not subject to synapse. They are designed to exist without a Hive Mind presence.
So yes, I'm saying that " the army of half human/half Tyranid monsters wouldn't fall under synapse control, ..."
Following the Broodlord =/= following the Hive Mind.
Like I've said repeatedly, this isn't unnatural if you are familiar with the Tyranid lore.
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Maybe because be it Eldars or Dark Eldars, for them an Eldar is still an Eldar.
They're like cousins that doesn't like each other much if not at all, but when something goes wrong they are still familly, and rather goes against a common threat then watch the other get stomped or something liker that.
Now we all now that the allies matrix for somethings doesn't really reflect the fluff, because the 4 levels of friendship doesn't have enough subtelty, so for now you're either best buds, someone that you used to know, the redhead kid of the class or the outright ennemy.
Regarding explanations based on fluff, Tyranid creatures are digested after a battle too This is not something special to cult members.
By their DNA, the Genestealer Cult units (excluding the currently ruleswise non-existent Brood Brothers) are indeed Tyranids. We know the Patriarch is in some kind of contact with the Hive mind during his entire existence. And Genestealers - the start and the end of the Genestealer reproduction cycle - are without doubt Tyranids. Loosing BB does not make sense.
In the current codex Genestealers (at least the cult/vanguard ones) try to flee from the hive fleet, so when they fight alongside the Tyranids it's a battle between the hive mind's control and their instincts - AoC sounds right for me.
Fluffwise it makes some sense for the Tyranids to create creatures who avoid them and lead them to new feeding grounds over and over again. For the 'Stealers... well, I guess they have a good time on the planet before moving on to start again elsewhere. Kinda like rental nomads (and they leave a REAL mess behind).
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
Given that all hive organisms are expendible - no - remember they will use thousands of termaguants to merely consume a defenders ammunition so its not a relevant quesiton. Unless of course it suits the Hive Mind to support them in a given enclave or situtaiton.
A genestealer cult will be just part of a invasion - as shown in the fluff.............They will be directed to do whatever the hive mind tells them to do and will be more responsive (lack of free will) than imperial forces can be with infighitng, politics and just trying to survive.
I can't really see any fluff reason that the they would not be Battle Brothers when you compare them to other armies who do have it?
They are just another tendril to be conserved or/and expended as the need arises
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Maybe because be it Eldars or Dark Eldars, for them an Eldar is still an Eldar.
They're like cousins that doesn't like each other much if not at all, but when something goes wrong they are still familly, and rather goes against a common threat then watch the other get stomped or something liker that.
Now we all now that the allies matrix for somethings doesn't really reflect the fluff, because the 4 levels of friendship doesn't have enough subtelty, so for now you're either best buds, someone that you used to know, the redhead kid of the class or the outright ennemy.
And that's an important disticntion that Tyranids don't make. The concept of Family.
When two Tyranid forces meet, they devour each other until there is only a single victor. Tyranids literally kill each other when the meet.
And people are mad they're not Battle Brothers with GSC. It baffles me.
I've never been of the opinion that the cult should be able to ally with the 'Nids. The 'Stealers might get a pass, but the 'Nids are just going to eat everything else.
You think a Ripper gives a damn if you're a Brood Brother or a Hybrid? Of course not. To it you're just food!
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never been of the opinion that the cult should be able to ally with the 'Nids. The 'Stealers might get a pass, but the 'Nids are just going to eat everything else.
You think a Ripper gives a damn if you're a Brood Brother or a Hybrid? Of course not. To it you're just food!
Yes but all Tyranids are recylable food.............if a given Hive Fleet controls the Cult then it will act as directed, be expended and consumed along with all other organisms on the planet - save for the "special" genestealers.
A brood brother or a hybrid might be fighting the guard when the real nids turn up - however he or she won't stop and join the defenders just becuase they are being going to be (or indeed are being) eaten by the nids - because it has no free will to do so?
When two Tyranid forces meet, they devour each other until there is only a single victor. Tyranids literally kill each other when the meet.
Until the two fleets merge............then they are one...........
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Given that all hive organisms are expendible - no - remember they will use thousands of termaguants to merely consume a defenders ammunition so its not a relevant quesiton.
A genestealer cult will be just part of a invasion - as shown in the fluff.............They will be directed to do whatever the hive mind tells them to do and will be more responsive (lack of free will) than imperial forces can be with infighitng, politics and just trying to survive.
I can't really see any fluff reason that the they would not be Battle Brothers when you compare them to other armies who do have it?
They are just another tendril to be conserved or/and expended as the need arises
The Hive Mind may direct the cult, but that doesn't mean it regards them as allies. That's an entirely different statement altogether.
I'm not saying that other armies should be battle brothers. Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm saying given the Battle Brother rules we have, and the examples we have, then it makes absolutely no sense at all that Genestealer Cults and Tyranids should be battle brothers. I don't personally believe Adeptus Mechanicus should be BB with a lot of armies, but also understand that GW didn't appear to want an 'Imperial ally chart' and a 'everyone-else ally chart.'
Stop trying to use the "But army a is BB with army B."
It doesn't factor into this argument.
One faction sees the other as tools that have a semi-permanent use of making an invasion easier, but are ultimately food. By the time the Tyranid Fleet has arrived, it's too late for either the Cult, or the Imperial forces on that planet. Barring serious obstacles, the Tyranids will immediately set upon the planet and devour everything on it.
That's no grounds for an alliance.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never been of the opinion that the cult should be able to ally with the 'Nids. The 'Stealers might get a pass, but the 'Nids are just going to eat everything else.
You think a Ripper gives a damn if you're a Brood Brother or a Hybrid? Of course not. To it you're just food!
Yes but all Tyranids are recylable food.............if a given Hive Fleet controls the Cult then it will act as directed, be expended and consumed along with all other organisms on the planet - save for the "special" genestealers.
A brood brother or a hybrid might be fighting the guard when the real nids turn up - however he or she won't stop and join the defenders just becuase they are being going to be (or indeed are being) eaten by the nids - because it has no free will to do so?
When two Tyranid forces meet, they devour each other until there is only a single victor. Tyranids literally kill each other when the meet.
Until the two fleets merge............then they are one...........
The Hive fleets do not 'merge.'
One is devoured by the other. The Hive Mind is Natural Selection at it's most efficient, so it pits the fleets against each other in order to determine which is more successful.
The winner absorbs the genetic code of the loser, but retains it's identity as the Hive Mind seems fit.
edited after checking books.
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Mr Morden wrote: A brood brother or a hybrid might be fighting the guard when the real nids turn up - however he or she won't stop and join the defenders just becuase they are being going to be (or indeed are being) eaten by the nids - because it has no free will to do so?
I never said they'd do that. It's more that the swarm of Tyranids won't stop and go "Thems be on our side!" and leave them alone. They'll kill everything that isn't them.
That's why they shouldn't be allies, and not because the Brood Brothers/Hybrids suddenly switch sides.
Given that all hive organisms are expendible - no - remember they will use thousands of termaguants to merely consume a defenders ammunition so its not a relevant quesiton.
A genestealer cult will be just part of a invasion - as shown in the fluff.............They will be directed to do whatever the hive mind tells them to do and will be more responsive (lack of free will) than imperial forces can be with infighitng, politics and just trying to survive.
I can't really see any fluff reason that the they would not be Battle Brothers when you compare them to other armies who do have it?
They are just another tendril to be conserved or/and expended as the need arises
Except that isn't how it works.
When the GSC sabotages a planet, it isn't at the Hive Mind's directive.
It's at the Broodlords, which is an important distinction to make.
The Broodlord commands the swarm.
The Broodlord leads them.
Notice how Broodlords don't have synapse, and are never stated as following the hive mind in any piece of lore?
The GSC sabotage planets because they believe their gods are coming, but when the gods arrive, the literally devour everything. The Hive tyrant doesn't pop off the bio-ship and say "Nah, these cats are chill, save them for last."
He eats them.
Tyranids are devourers. Cunning, voracious, but not prone to mercy, acts of cooperation or alliance, and certainly not to religious deification (excluding the broodlords mind you).
Why wouldn't they eat the free, whole-range, non-resisting meal before them?
Not got books to hand but have fluff where the hive mind directs invasion - will come back after finish work
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Hmm to be fair the Imperium DOES NOT CARE either - thats kinda the Grim Dark point?
They are quite happy to exterminatus the whole planet of defenders...............
If you can defend the fact that all Imperial forces are BB with each other than surely all Tryanid forces would also be - stands to reason? Be a bit like saying Blood Axes are not BB with Goffs, or Ulthwe are not with Iiyanden?
Up to the point that the FAQ was published there was not defintaive statement on their alliance status - so it has come as a surpirse to many - however no point in us getting upset here - People should ask polietly why this is the case on the Fb page.
Most of the marines do hold the imperium and its call over their own squabbles. Not saying they'd like working together, but it sounds plenty reasonable, from a fluff standpoint, they that could work together while putting their beefs aside for the emperor.
Now most the admech, whilst apart of the imperium, hate the imperium. And to an extent, that goes both ways. They're only allies because they both won't bite the hand that feeds. I love the admech and even run an Inq detachment with them. But I really dont like the imperium. When they killed the drop pod thing, I thought it was kind of funny. A small piece of me almost wanted admech to get more units and get fluffed out of the imperium heading into the next millennia. I think the grand lie has gone on long enough, eh?
Fluff aside, give the nids BBs. You'd still be hard pressed to find nid and GSC armies wrecking every eldar and marine army. So fluff or not, who cares?
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
Honestly, AoC does make more sense than BB in this instance.
Tyranid Primes (and any other Tyranid ICs I might have forgotten if more exist) wouldn't ever lead GSC squads, and there's no way a GSCIC would ever be able to lead a Nid squad.
Nids would never ride in a theoretical GSC transport.
Sharing Warlord Trait benefits makes 0 sense for similar reasons.
Only psychic power sharing makes some sense, as a GSC Psyker would probably have 0 problems buffing Nids with powers, however the Nids would have 0 reason to ever return the favour.
Imagine a tool not 'Brother' with its wielder. Right.
Nids arrive and enthrall the cult. Nids and cult fight on the same side and all biomass (friends and enemies, alive or dead) are thrown or jump into the digestion pools after the fight.
Fight on the same side like, you know, Eldar and Dark Eldar, and different marine chapters that hate each other, etc.
I'm glad I never got around to buy the Deathwatch box.
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
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N.I.B. wrote: Imagine a tool not 'Brother' with its wielder. Right.
Nids arrive and enthrall the cult. Nids and cult fight on the same side and all biomass (friends and enemies, alive or dead) are thrown or jump into the digestion pools after the fight.
Fight on the same side like, you know, Eldar and Dark Eldar, and different marine chapters that hate each other, etc.
I'm glad I never got around to buy the Deathwatch box.
"Imagine a tool not 'Brother' with its wielder. Right."
Daemon Weapons, Plasma Weapons, The Burning Blade, Vengeance Rounds, Djiin Blades, the Spear of Twilight, etc etc...Plenty of them right there bro.
"Same side" is a really loose term. Any Allies slot represents that.
Battle Brothers have no problem fighting beside each other and dying for each other.
Allies of Convenience fight side by side when it is convenient. Come the Apocalypse requires extreme plot-wrangling to make sense.
Let me put it this way for you.
If a Genestealer cult was discovered and purged, does the Hive Mind care?
No. And it certainly doesn't invade or try and save the cult.
Why?
Because it isn't Convenient for the Hive Mind.
When does the Genestealer Cult rise up and sabotage the planet?
When the Tyranid fleet arrives, and only then because it is Convenient.
And all of the recent fluff we have paints the Cult's members as victims of a misleading-indoctrination disguised as religion. They believe they are going to paradise when the fleet arrives, not messily devoured by six-legged hellbugs from the seven circle of nope.
If you have a garden and water it daily you are 100% putting more effort into it than the Hive Mind does the Cults.
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In the original fluff, as written in Advanced Space Crusade, Hybrids were able to use Tyranid teleportation devices, were accepted (defense mechanisms didnt kill them) and could live on board of the bioships. IF they escaped the Tyranid invasion and getting eaten.
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Warhams-77 wrote: In the original fluff, as written in Advanced Space Crusade, Hybrids were able to use Tyranid teleportation devices, were accepted (defense mechanisms didnt kill hunt or kill them) and they could live on board of Bioships. IF they could escape the Tyranid invastion and getting eaten.
I think we can agree the original fluff doesn't pertain to much in modern 40k. Things have changed dramatically since those days. For quick example, there currently are no Tyranid Teleportation devices, other than the one that was only mention in Advanced Space Crusade, the Teleporter Worm. 26 years ago.
And the Dark Angels were originally closet homosexuals.
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
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Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
Thanks, but we all know that. The part that's important, and that part people keep forgetting is that while all organics are consumed at the end of the invasion, the killing starts immediately. If the Cult successfully takes over a world, and are the sole party in power before the Tyranids arrive, do you think that the Tyranids won't kill them upon sight?
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
Thanks, but we all know that. The part that's important, and that part people keep forgetting is that while all organics are consumed at the end of the invasion, the killing starts immediately. If the Cult successfully takes over a world, and are the sole party in power before the Tyranids arrive, do you think that the Tyranids won't kill them upon sight?
Actually wasn't there a fluff blurb about that exact situation? The Cult led the willing population into the digestion pools with no fuss.
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
Thanks, but we all know that. The part that's important, and that part people keep forgetting is that while all organics are consumed at the end of the invasion, the killing starts immediately. If the Cult successfully takes over a world, and are the sole party in power before the Tyranids arrive, do you think that the Tyranids won't kill them upon sight?
Actually wasn't there a fluff blurb about that exact situation? The Cult led the willing population into the digestion pools with no fuss.
Not that I've ever read, no. But the Hive Mind has shown that less work can sometimes be preferable - look at Death Leaper.
Neronoxx wrote: I think we can agree the original fluff doesn't pertain to much in modern 40k. Things have changed dramatically since those days. For quick example, there currently are no Tyranid Teleportation devices, other than the one that was only mention in Advanced Space Crusade, the Teleporter Worm. 26 years ago.
I agree it is not current fluff but it was for a few years. Just from memory ASC 1990, Space Marine by Ian Watson 1993, Tyranid Attack 1993. In the first Tyranid army list in 1992 (WD 145), Hybrids, Magus and Patriarch, Brood Brothers and Mind Slaves fought side by side with Tyranid Warriors, 'Ripper swarms' and 'Termagants'. The 1995 Codex did change that? Or was it later?
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
Thanks, but we all know that. The part that's important, and that part people keep forgetting is that while all organics are consumed at the end of the invasion, the killing starts immediately. If the Cult successfully takes over a world, and are the sole party in power before the Tyranids arrive, do you think that the Tyranids won't kill them upon sight?
Actually wasn't there a fluff blurb about that exact situation? The Cult led the willing population into the digestion pools with no fuss.
Not that I've ever read, no. But the Hive Mind has shown that less work can sometimes be preferable - look at Death Leaper.
If you mentally control a body, nay multiple bodies, how can they be anything but the same army? They have more fluff and logic grounds to be Battle Brothers than daemons do a cohesive army. Why would a khorne daemonkin marine give his life to protect a black legionary? He wouldn't.
Your examples feel pretty baseless, if one entity is literally in the mind of every living thing with tyranid dna, why would they only treat one another with convenience, they are literally the same entity at that point.
Zach wrote: ^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?
If you believe my post was unwarranted, maybe you could try reading the last page? It might help shed some light on the situation. And I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive to any one specific individual, but I've heard all sorts of different kinds of BS trying to justify something that was never justifiable.
It's almost as if everyone woke up and then started pissing and moaning because the sky wasn't purple anymore.
And again, reading comprehension.
"This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.''
I guess you missed that?
Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
*****
Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.
And yet Dark Eldar and Eldar are Battle Brothers...
Hmm.
Funny that. You're arguing that a faction which essentially gets mind-whammied and taken over on a psychic level when the Hive Fleets near shouldn't be battle brothers with said Hive Fleets...
While a faction known for pillaging, tormenting, torturing and hunting down the other out of nothing more than amusement is still battle brothers with its victims.
Hmmm indeed.
Will the Hive Mind defend the GSC?
Please be familiar with the subject before being sarcastic?
If it's in its best interest to do so, yes. Perhaps you're not as up to fluff as you think you are?
Then wouldn't that be Come the Apocalypse?
If that's the only time they would defend the GSC?
Perhaps I am, and someone else isn't.
All tyRamos bio forms are expendable- if it's in their best interest to throw thousands of gargoyles into the barrel of a gun to plug it, what will they do? If for whatever reason they need thto Cult to rise up and start consuming, they will direct them to do so. If they'd rather have the biomass they'll eat them. Just like every other Tyranid. Which Broodlords and their spawn are.
That only proves my point though. For factions to be Battle Brothers there must be an established understanding that both sides are willing to die to protect the other. Space Wolves and Dark Angels do this - even though they have their pride, their rivalries and their disagreements - They can put those aside to fight for each, with each other and beside each other.
Nowhere in the fluff is this supported by the Tyranids. There is no evidence they give two-diddly-squats about the Cult. Indeed the very purpose of the Cult is to serve as a disposable distraction to ease the difficulty of planetary invasion.
That's the whole purpose of the Cult. By the time the Tyranids have made landfall, everything is considered food. No one is spared. They don't pick up the Cult and drive them around space in their giant squid-ships.
The Hive Tyrant also isn't going to be blocking shots for the cult, or diverting it's own forces to die for the cult. The Cult dies for the Hive Mind, not the other way around.
All organic life is consumed at the end of the invasion-this includes Hive Tyrants and even Swarmlords. Of course it's not going to spare the Cult, but it will use for as long as it seems necessary like all Tyranid organisms. The Cult is just another extension of the Hive Mind's will, given autonomy so that it can operate outside its direct sphere of influence.
Thanks, but we all know that. The part that's important, and that part people keep forgetting is that while all organics are consumed at the end of the invasion, the killing starts immediately. If the Cult successfully takes over a world, and are the sole party in power before the Tyranids arrive, do you think that the Tyranids won't kill them upon sight?
Actually wasn't there a fluff blurb about that exact situation? The Cult led the willing population into the digestion pools with no fuss.
Not that I've ever read, no. But the Hive Mind has shown that less work can sometimes be preferable - look at Death Leaper.
Yeah, it should be just a paragraph in the Tyranid codex- 5th and/or 6th edition. If this is still a tangent, I'll find out where exactly when I get home tonight.
Perhaps the should they/shouldn't they discussion would be best served either in the background or general 40k boards ?
Thanks.
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