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 adamsouza wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Facebook has an update if anyone cares.

Am I alone is this, or would anyone else love this style of errata ?

[edit] Nevermind, missed a few posts on the last page.

Ghaz wrote:

Davor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

So how can we claim this official if you can't find it?

Why can't you find it? It was already posted, along with a link to the original source, in this very thread that you're posting in.

It leads me to a link in Facebook. When I clicked on it again, it went to a different part of facebook that looked "flat". For some reason it doesn't look like a regular facebook page to me. So hence why I ask for an Official place to look. I don't know what is real or what is fake. I am not as internet savy as a lot of people are on here. So if that makes me an idiot, then fine I am an idiot. So why a link I click on twice looks different each time, I don't know.

If you mean the link in THIS POST, its because its a link to the mobile version of Facebook, easily identified by the 'm.facebook' in the address.

Thank you so much. I didn't know that. Nice to learn something new today.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Interesting...this is the first final-draft FAQ. It's not a first draft, so it is official now. Anyone not using this rule is not playing the game correctly.

Question, I don't have the GK codex: Is a DreadKnight a Dreadnought?

DK already has 4 attacks but the FAQ brings the Dreadnought up to 4 as well.

Yes, but the FAQ implies that it now gets 6 attacks base...IF it is a dreadnought.

DK is not a Dreadnought


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Facebook has an update if anyone cares.

That one is fan created.

It is a photoshop. I can tell by the pixels...

Also, I now want to be a part time FAQ writer for GW.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Interesting...this is the first final-draft FAQ. It's not a first draft, so it is official now. Anyone not using this rule is not playing the game correctly.

Question, I don't have the GK codex: Is a DreadKnight a Dreadnought?

DK already has 4 attacks but the FAQ brings the Dreadnought up to 4 as well.

Yes, but the FAQ implies that it now gets 6 attacks base...IF it is a dreadnought.

It doesn't count as a dread. It doesn't have any dread options, takes a different slot, and it's an MC. It's a battle suit, not a walking coffin.

 Bi'ios wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Interesting...this is the first final-draft FAQ. It's not a first draft, so it is official now. Anyone not using this rule is not playing the game correctly.

Question, I don't have the GK codex: Is a DreadKnight a Dreadnought?

DK already has 4 attacks but the FAQ brings the Dreadnought up to 4 as well.

Yes, but the FAQ implies that it now gets 6 attacks base...IF it is a dreadnought.

It doesn't count as a dread. It doesn't have any dread options, takes a different slot, and it's an MC. It's a battle suit, not a walking coffin.

OK, good...was worried there.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Interesting...this is the first final-draft FAQ. It's not a first draft, so it is official now. Anyone not using this rule is not playing the game correctly.

Question, I don't have the GK codex: Is a DreadKnight a Dreadnought?

DK already has 4 attacks but the FAQ brings the Dreadnought up to 4 as well.

Yes, but the FAQ implies that it now gets 6 attacks base...IF it is a dreadnought.

The FAQ does not imply anything regarding the Dreadknight. It is not a "Dreadnought of any type" it is a Dreadknight.

I think we got there, in the end.

Come on, CSM FAQ. Give us something useful. Dunno what, but something.

 kronk wrote:
I think we got there, in the end.

Come on, CSM FAQ. Give us something useful. Dunno what, but something.

Mutilators gain fleet.
*sips from flask of chaos tears.*

No no no, Mutilators will gain the ability to Charge after Running.

Fleet gives too much of a benefit and doesn't sounds powerful at a first glance without reading the rest of the rules.

Mutilators can't run.

That's the joke.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That's the joke.

Would be more fun if people would stop all that "pretend funny" macro whining. Sheesh all it does is create negativity. Isn't whole point of game to have fun? Why you choose to suffer then? You have problems with game you have power to fix it so if you keep suffering with the chaos codex it's your fault alonr

I haven't played CSMs for years, so don't worry I'm not on the brink of gaming suicide. I don't suffer because I play other armies that aren't as dysfunctional when I play 40k.

I think we're done with factions "getting" things.

GW could take the dreadnought fiasco as a lesson for how to proceed with updates, but I think they will just say "screw it" for the rest of the codexes.

Which is really sad, and I hope I'm wrong.

I'll be honest I am so damned happy that all the SW dreads got two extra attacks, especially Murderface and Bjorn.

Murderface is now sitting at 7 base attacks and that first round of fighting he's got 10-12 attacks thanks to rage and Rampage making things fun. Bjorn, well lets be honest he's the Grand daddy "I'm faster at shanking you" in fluff and the boost keeps him from being just another Dreadnought that's stupidly overpriced for a 5+ save.

To those that haven't read the errata is specifies that they both receive the bonus.

Spiritfox22 wrote:
I'll be honest I am so damned happy that all the SW dreads got two extra attacks, especially Murderface and Bjorn.

I think the biggest winners of the dread change is the Shield and Axe dreads. 3+ invuln and venerable makes them very tanky but the issue was that with only 2 attacks base they could be tar pitted forever. Double the number of attacks they have base and now they can chop their way out of more combats faster. Murderfang is stupidly killy but his issue wasn't how much murder it can deal in CC but actually surviving until then as Murderfang is basically a bullet magnet given nobody wants to let that thing anywhere near an assault phase.

tneva82 wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That's the joke.

Would be more fun if people would stop all that "pretend funny" macro whining. Sheesh all it does is create negativity. Isn't whole point of game to have fun? Why you choose to suffer then? You have problems with game you have power to fix it so if you keep suffering with the chaos codex it's your fault alonr

And you have the power not to read these posts. Yes a lot of people make themselves suffer for what ever reason. Let them. If a few simple words that are not even toxic help them cope let it be so. You are not helping either with your comments like that. It would be one thing if what they were saying was toxic but it's not. Let people have their fun.

I gotta say that Dreadnought update gives that all Space Wolves Dreadnought army I'd been tinkering with quite a boost.

Jefffar wrote:
I gotta say that Dreadnought update gives that all Space Wolves Dreadnought army I'd been tinkering with quite a boost.

I own a LOT of Space Wolf Dreads, of various kinds, and while they were never great, I feel like they were as close as any Dread has been at being competitive (outside 5th Ed Psy-Shooting Dreads for GK). With these buffs, a few of the SW Dreads feel like they might actually be pretty decent.

The problems that remain are... 1. You're still reliant on the FW Lucius Pod if you want to make them work (which maybe be fiscally challenging if you go heavy on the Dreads), 2. We're still a Codex with objectively better options. I think Dreads are an even more fun, and semi-competitive choice than ever, but if the intent is to win games, a player is still better served with TWC and even Wulfen.

Well it's more of a fun list idea, but still, Bjorn and 8 of his friends with Droppods can fit into 1850.

Is it really fair to give +2 attacks without a point increase? Yes it's keeping the codices the same, but how is it fair by gaining free bonuses?

Maybe 40K does need to be Sigmified if people think this this is an ok practice. After all the points don't really mean anything now does it?

Davor wrote:
Is it really fair to give +2 attacks without a point increase? Yes it's keeping the codices the same, but how is it fair by gaining free bonuses?

Maybe 40K does need to be Sigmified if people think this this is an ok practice. After all the points don't really mean anything now does it?

Free bonuses? More like removing a handicap.

We're well down the "free bonuses" rabbit hole at this point.

Davor wrote:
Is it really fair to give +2 attacks without a point increase? Yes it's keeping the codices the same, but how is it fair by gaining free bonuses?

The two attack Blood Angels Dreadnought is the exact same price as the four attack Space Marines Dreadnought.

Davor wrote:
Is it really fair to give +2 attacks without a point increase? Yes it's keeping the codices the same, but how is it fair by gaining free bonuses?

Maybe 40K does need to be Sigmified if people think this this is an ok practice. After all the points don't really mean anything now does it?

Dreadnoughts & especially the Chaos versions have long been one of the most useless models, in large part due to how easy they've been to tarpit with a 50-60pts throw-away unit.

For something that's supposed to be one of the single most feared death-dealing murder machines in the Astartes arsenal, they're hilariously bad at actually killing things in assaults!

Dreadnoughts are a prime example of what's keeping CSM's from being in any way relevant anymore in the game. Namely, everything else has generally improved & become deadlier over the past 15-18+ years, but Dreads have stayed 100% the same since their original 3rd ed profile.
The +2A is a good thing! It finally allows Dreads to take names & kick some *** like their background suggests they routinely do, while now opponents have to think a little more beyond, "throw 10 grots/guardsmen/gaunts at it and forget it exists!"

 Eldarain wrote:
We're well down the "free bonuses" rabbit hole at this point.

Spuzz muhrine armies can now replace any single model with a dude who gets a free S5 AP2 instant death rapid fire gun.

We're there, man, we've been there for a while.

Davor wrote:
Is it really fair to give +2 attacks without a point increase? Yes it's keeping the codices the same, but how is it fair by gaining free bonuses?

Maybe 40K does need to be Sigmified if people think this this is an ok practice. After all the points don't really mean anything now does it?

That assumes points(both for this unit and for all units in general) are accurate in the first place

the_scotsman wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
We're well down the "free bonuses" rabbit hole at this point.

Spuzz muhrine armies can now replace any single model with a dude who gets a free S5 AP2 instant death rapid fire gun.

We're there, man, we've been there for a while.

But literally only if you...

1. Got lucky
2. Happened to be shopping online on a given weekend... once.
3. Pay an Ebay scalper a fortune.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
We're well down the "free bonuses" rabbit hole at this point.

Spuzz muhrine armies can now replace any single model with a dude who gets a free S5 AP2 instant death rapid fire gun.

We're there, man, we've been there for a while.

But literally only if you...

1. Got lucky
2. Happened to be shopping online on a given weekend... once.
3. Pay an Ebay scalper a fortune.

4) Convert the model.