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 JimOnMars wrote:
Did you take my advice?

Did you write a letter?

If so, how, in Gork's name, do you think Roundtree will know about your magic boycott?

I have been writing letters since GW decided mid edition to turn the power levels up to 11. I wrote more letters after the first Ghaz supplement was released. I wrote even more letters when they re-released the Ghaz Supplement and filled it with a bunch of copy paste from other ork books and the last supplement and then proceeded to explain to us how spending 1,200 pts to give ghaz a 2++ and army wide Fearless is worth it.

And Finally I wrote a last letter to GW after they released this recent trash and told them verbatim that I will be boycotting their company until they can fix the glaring issues in the game and that I will be encouraging others to do so as well.

Now I know a lot of people are going to say "Well who cares what you think, do you think GW gives a feth about you!" and to that I say, I care, and NO I know for a fact that GW will just laugh this off. Losing 1 person who spends maybe $200 a year on this hobby won't bother them at all, but its a step in the right direction. Maybe if more and more people did likewise they would take it a bit more seriously then they currently do.

I used to not understand how GW gets along until there was the poll that showed how many armies each player had. I only have one list, and half of that is from the last century. Literally. I am not their target audience. They guy who can just buy the latest OP stuff for one of his six armies is.

So you created this thread for no other reason than to vent.

And not only that, you think boycotting them is a step in the right direction to getting what you want.

Wow... Just wow...

I can only hope that they go out of business and someone math literate picks up the IP.

 IllumiNini wrote:
So you created this thread for no other reason than to vent.

And not only that, you think boycotting them is a step in the right direction to getting what you want.

Wow... Just wow...

Thank you for reiterating what I said, it really helps me understand how useless your comments are "Wow...Just wow..." so insightful.

So instead of trying to change the game the only way I am capable of doing so, boycotting and writing letters, I should just sit back and take it like a good little boy? is that your advice? What army do you play IllumiNini?

Probably multiple. That's who GW is catering to.

SemperMortis wrote:
So instead of trying to change the game the only way I am capable of doing so, boycotting and writing letters, I should just sit back and take it like a good little boy?

I've given you options:

House Rule; Be selective with respect to your opponents; or Stop Playing.

And considering the point of this thread, I don't think you're in any position to be judging the purpose or insightful-ness of other people's comments....

If you are in a position to talk to your opponent, it could help a lot. I play random with preset lists, which is pretty brutal for the 7.0 lists.

 IllumiNini wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
So instead of trying to change the game the only way I am capable of doing so, boycotting and writing letters, I should just sit back and take it like a good little boy?

I've given you options:

House Rule; Be selective with respect to your opponents; or Stop Playing.

And considering the point of this thread, I don't think you're in any position to be judging the purpose or insightful-ness of other people's comments....

And as I have pointed out several times my area doesn't use House Rules, I also like playing tournaments and House ruling is pretty much against the rules (at least your own home brew). I am very selective with my opponents, but if I chose to never play against an army that is significantly more powerful then my Orks I will only ever play against BA, DE, IG, CSM and Nids. And in my area there are very few of any of those.

And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

Can't imagine why people might shy away from those armies...

Martel732 wrote:
Can't imagine why people might shy away from those armies...

Might have something to do with the fact that Eldar/Vanilla Marines/Necrons and Tau are in a league of their own at this point in the game

SemperMortis wrote:
And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

I haven't ignored you, just repeating myself in the hopes that you might understand that if you're unhappy with the current state of the game, you current situation as far as games, and GW's apparent lack of making Orks better, then if you want to keep playing, maybe the onus to do something about it is on you.

If you disallow list tailoring, at least Orks are kinda counter-meta. Grav at least is inefficient against them, as well as any low AP weapon. When I face Orks, I have precious few flamers and such because my lists are full of melta and grav, both of which suck against Orks.

Realy the best thing for you to do OP is drop 40k and get into a new system.
Boycotting isn't really going to do much unless you can get a few thousand people doing it at the same time.
Writing letters will do basically nothing without there pocket hurting.
But other games gaining more players, pushing at GW as they lose money and players will get them to look.
Don't expect 40k to change until they are forced to change it.

Leaving the 40k hobby does alot more, and you can return latter in life if it becomes good again.
Bringing and supporting other games is what will force GW to really look into how they support there own game.

Martel732 wrote:
If you disallow list tailoring, at least Orks are kinda counter-meta. Grav at least is inefficient against them, as well as any low AP weapon. When I face Orks, I have precious few flamers and such because my lists are full of melta and grav, both of which suck against Orks.

This as well. Every time I play against my mate who also plays Orks, we purposefully don't tell each other our lists until after both lists have been written and finalised to prevent list tailoring. I also try to take less vehicles that I otherwise would to make it that much more fair for them.

 IllumiNini wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

I haven't ignored you, just repeating myself in the hopes that you might understand that if you're unhappy with the current state of the game, you current situation as far as games, and GW's apparent lack of making Orks better, then if you want to keep playing, maybe the onus to do something about it is on you.

I do wish to keep playing and I have decided to do something about it, pretty sure I spelled this out in the 1st post and several times since then. I am boycotting GW products and supporting their 3rd party competition instead. I am also actively encouraging others to do likewise, I finally found a 3rd party website that sells models and I plan on purchasing some soon to see how they come out, if they are good then im going to inform players of the website and encourage them to buy there instead of from GW. (The Local store is a game store not a GW store and has VERY limited stock if any most of the time.)

Use your Orks as a proxy tyranids army.

a_dead_thing wrote:
Use your Orks as a proxy tyranids army.

Is that actually better without flyrants?

Martel732 wrote:

a_dead_thing wrote:
Use your Orks as a proxy tyranids army.

Is that actually better without flyrants?

No, no it is not any better at all.

This quickly becomes an issue of "have not" armies complaining together against GW and the "Have" armies defending GW because at the moment their armies are in ascendancy

 IllumiNini wrote:
So you created this thread for no other reason than to vent.

And not only that, you think boycotting them is a step in the right direction to getting what you want.

Wow... Just wow...

More and more people are getting tired of GW. Many people are becoming or have been dissatisfied. Many have already quit.

You might not agree with me that starving out GW is not the right step.

You still think that by supporting GW with your money is the right way to get them to change the game.

GW wont care about him or me, but if enough of us boycott GW then they will have to change their attitudes and the way they go about doing business.

The original poster and I wont get what we want. We wont get anytime soon. But that also means GW wont get what they want from us and that is the money from our wallets.


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 IllumiNini wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

I haven't ignored you, just repeating myself in the hopes that you might understand that if you're unhappy with the current state of the game, you current situation as far as games, and GW's apparent lack of making Orks better, then if you want to keep playing, maybe the onus to do something about it is on you.

What? are you going to tell him that ITS HIS FAULT for choosing to play ORKs?

Thats is some kind of messed up logic.

SemperMortis wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

I haven't ignored you, just repeating myself in the hopes that you might understand that if you're unhappy with the current state of the game, you current situation as far as games, and GW's apparent lack of making Orks better, then if you want to keep playing, maybe the onus to do something about it is on you.

I do wish to keep playing and I have decided to do something about it, pretty sure I spelled this out in the 1st post and several times since then. I am boycotting GW products and supporting their 3rd party competition instead. I am also actively encouraging others to do likewise, I finally found a 3rd party website that sells models and I plan on purchasing some soon to see how they come out, if they are good then im going to inform players of the website and encourage them to buy there instead of from GW. (The Local store is a game store not a GW store and has VERY limited stock if any most of the time.)

In the end you are still supporting the games if your playing at a store, not all army's have access to suitable models from 3rd party producers. And more specialist units make that harder, so people will get a bit less but will stil have to get stuff from GW.

Grief wrote:
More and more people are getting tired of GW. Many people are becoming or have been dissatisfied.

Honesntly, I am too, but it hasn't affected me actually playing the game.

Grief wrote:You might not agree with me that starving out GW is not the right step.

I don't agree with it at all since it's not going to guarantee the results you want.

Grief wrote:You still think that by supporting GW with your money is the right way to get them to change the game.

I don't think my money is going to make GW see the light and create a better game, but at this point, I'd rather support them and see the game continue rather than see it disappear because they went bankrupt.

Grief wrote:GW wont care about him or me, but if enough of us boycott GW then they will have to change their attitudes and the way they go about doing business.

As noble as this idea is, it's not guaranteed or even one of the most likely scenarios.

Grief wrote:The original poster and I wont get what we want. We wont get anytime soon. But that also means GW wont get what they want from us and that is the money from our wallets.

Finally there's a point we can agree on! haha

SemperMortis wrote:I do wish to keep playing and I have decided to do something about it, pretty sure I spelled this out in the 1st post and several times since then. I am boycotting GW products and supporting their 3rd party competition instead. I am also actively encouraging others to do likewise, I finally found a 3rd party website that sells models and I plan on purchasing some soon to see how they come out, if they are good then im going to inform players of the website and encourage them to buy there instead of from GW. (The Local store is a game store not a GW store and has VERY limited stock if any most of the time.)

Well if you still disagree with me and think this is going to change anything about GW or the rules they release, then best of luck to you.

a_dead_thing wrote:Use your Orks as a proxy tyranids army.

Procying like this never ends wel. Ends up being too much to remember.


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Grief wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
And considering the point of this thread I think I am in the perfect position to judge the uselessness of your comments that you have repeated multiple times, completely ignoring my comments in return

I haven't ignored you, just repeating myself in the hopes that you might understand that if you're unhappy with the current state of the game, you current situation as far as games, and GW's apparent lack of making Orks better, then if you want to keep playing, maybe the onus to do something about it is on you.

What? are you going to tell him that ITS HIS FAULT for choosing to play ORKs?

Thats is some kind of messed up logic.

I'm not saying it's his fault, but I'm saying the onus is on him to do something about it as far as himself is concerned since GW obviously wont'.

Well as you can see I do not post much but as an avid Ork Player I feel your Pain. Me I was never into list building but just used to Play with Loads of boyz in a 1500 pt game. at least 150 of them. This used to frighten a lot of opponents because the fearless rule helped get your troops across the board before low model count made leadership then an issue.

Now the new mob rule has totally messed that list and since 7th edition came in I have seen the Power creep come in. I Have a fair few armies. Ultramarines, Flesh Tearers, Space Wolves, Iron Hands, Grey Knights, Orks, Eldar and Necrons. Of those armies to me Orks are at the bottom. They never used to be. Those people that say house rule things is difficult when you only have the option to Play at a GW Store. Shift work makes it very difficult to get to clubs. To me giving orks invuln saves or FNP is not in keeping to me with the ethos of the army. The fluff seems to imply that orks works in mobs just bring back the old mob rule that may help alleviate some of the problems that orks have.

Sales are actually doing amazing here where I live, the store I go to is often packed with people and tables are pretty hard to get a hold of. With new models and packaging, especially the getting started packa are flying off the shelves. As much as it is to your distaste they are doing better than they have been in a while, with the new FAQ reaching out to customers aswell they are further solidifying themselves at the top

Why are you still posting in this thread? You've made your contempt for the OP clear. Thread isn't toxic enough for you?

On no, starbucks has stopped producing the drink I want! So I'm going to coffee bean to get a drink, then drink it at starbucks, and shouting to everyone that the drink I love at starbucks is gone!

Anyway I believe IllumniNini and a couple of people have pretty good suggestions. Either you stop the game, and move on to another which is more practical, or just send them a mail, or post on their facebook in a technical standpoint. Sure the codex may not be fixed right away, but then again, big companies are more often than not unable to react fast with these kinds of changes. What makes you think they aren't fixing it right now?

Also, if you want to play competitively, why not suggest ITC into your meta? They nerf the stronger armies such as tau and some parts of eldar. And of course, if you were super competitive, why haven't you changed your army yet? And if you really love your orks so much, why would losing mean so much to you? And if you really want to be competitive with your orks, why are you only whining about losing instead of finding ways to win a game? Write up tactics for your orks for different scenarios. Test out what is best ork for the job.

So what if orks become the best codex one day? Does that mean you'll win all tournaments? And if you lose, you're just gonna blame something else then? Like rolling badly on one instance?

Sometimes the journey is more fun and more fulfilling than the end goal.

Reavas wrote:
Sales are actually doing amazing here where I live, the store I go to is often packed with people and tables are pretty hard to get a hold of. With new models and packaging, especially the getting started packa are flying off the shelves. As much as it is to your distaste they are doing better than they have been in a while, with the new FAQ reaching out to customers aswell they are further solidifying themselves at the top

In your area they might be doing well, in the area I just moved away from 2 stores closed within 6 months of each other. Another store stopped carrying GW products entirely. At the end of the day the only two stores still carrying GW products was the GW store itself and a HUGE comic book/nerd store that also sold a ton of wargaming stuff and GW only made up a small portion of their total stock.

Again this is only MY experience. But on the other hand, GW hasn't released its quarterly earnings yet but up until now it has been BAD, VERY BAD for them.


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bleak wrote:
On no, starbucks has stopped producing the drink I want! So I'm going to coffee bean to get a drink, then drink it at starbucks, and shouting to everyone that the drink I love at starbucks is gone!

Anyway I believe IllumniNini and a couple of people have pretty good suggestions. Either you stop the game, and move on to another which is more practical, or just send them a mail, or post on their facebook in a technical standpoint. Sure the codex may not be fixed right away, but then again, big companies are more often than not unable to react fast with these kinds of changes. What makes you think they aren't fixing it right now?

Also, if you want to play competitively, why not suggest ITC into your meta? They nerf the stronger armies such as tau and some parts of eldar. And of course, if you were super competitive, why haven't you changed your army yet? And if you really love your orks so much, why would losing mean so much to you? And if you really want to be competitive with your orks, why are you only whining about losing instead of finding ways to win a game? Write up tactics for your orks for different scenarios. Test out what is best ork for the job.

So what if orks become the best codex one day? Does that mean you'll win all tournaments? And if you lose, you're just gonna blame something else then? Like rolling badly on one instance?

Sometimes the journey is more fun and more fulfilling than the end goal.

Beyond the fact that your being mildly insulting in the first part of your post let me RE-address some of the things already covered which you seem to have glossed over TLDR?

Orks have sucked since 7th dropped. Everyone with a brain could see that, since then they have released 4 count them 4 supplements for the Ork army, each one more atrocious then the last. So how do I know they aren't actively trying to fix the problem? Because they keep releasing more and more garbage.

ITC Does absolutely nothing to help power up the orks, while it does nerf some of the more blatant offenders in the Top Tier army it doesn't alleviate the problems with the Ork Codex therefore it doesn't help them enough to get them close to those power levels, LVO had the top ork player in something like 80+ place.

Why Haven't I changed my Army yet? Well because I am not SUPER competitive, I am just competitive, which is why I am playing a COMPETITIVE game. If I really loved orks why do I mind losing so much? because it isn't fun to show up to a game and spend more time setting up my models for the game then actually using them once the game starts. Ever watched a Green tide run into a Scat Bike spam? 50+ dead orks turn 1.

Why am i whining about losing instead of finding ways to win? Because as I pointed out THE ABSOLUTE BEST the orks could manage at LVO was barely in the top 100. Which means that against the top tier codex's I am almost always going to lose unless they decide to run a fluffy list that doesn't include the most common units in their codices such as Scat Bikes, Wraith Guard, Wraith Knights, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders, Riptides, Stormsurges, Ghostkeels, Broadsides, and the list goes on.

I just ask of you to stop belittling me and the Ork Codex. Their isn't a L2P button I can hit that instantly makes Burna Boyz worth their points, or Nobz or Killa Kanz, Or Deff Dreadz, or Morkanauts, or Gorkanauts or Stompas or Ghazghkuul, or Stormboyz or Burna Bombas, or Dakka Jets or the other 2 Ork Flyers, or weirdboyz.

Nice ro see that the L2P police have successfully hijacked the thread.

To OP, move to another game. It will be cheaper, more fun, and will likely involve a company that doesn't think that gakking on their customers is the way to go.
Unfortunatley, GW is unlikely to ever improve.

To those pf you who somehow think that it's the OP's fault for playing orks, wtf are you smoking? Are youseriously saying that ifall of your armies had been invalidated, you would be happy to suck GW off and by a few grand's woryh of another army?
Should you be happy about never being given the chance to enjoy the army you identify with?
If that is your view, you are part of the reason 40k sucks rn.

EDIT: my phone sucks

SemperMortis wrote:

Reavas wrote:
Sales are actually doing amazing here where I live, the store I go to is often packed with people and tables are pretty hard to get a hold of. With new models and packaging, especially the getting started packa are flying off the shelves. As much as it is to your distaste they are doing better than they have been in a while, with the new FAQ reaching out to customers aswell they are further solidifying themselves at the top

In your area they might be doing well, in the area I just moved away from 2 stores closed within 6 months of each other. Another store stopped carrying GW products entirely. At the end of the day the only two stores still carrying GW products was the GW store itself and a HUGE comic book/nerd store that also sold a ton of wargaming stuff and GW only made up a small portion of their total stock.

Again this is only MY experience. But on the other hand, GW hasn't released its quarterly earnings yet but up until now it has been BAD, VERY BAD for them.


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bleak wrote:
On no, starbucks has stopped producing the drink I want! So I'm going to coffee bean to get a drink, then drink it at starbucks, and shouting to everyone that the drink I love at starbucks is gone!

Anyway I believe IllumniNini and a couple of people have pretty good suggestions. Either you stop the game, and move on to another which is more practical, or just send them a mail, or post on their facebook in a technical standpoint. Sure the codex may not be fixed right away, but then again, big companies are more often than not unable to react fast with these kinds of changes. What makes you think they aren't fixing it right now?

Also, if you want to play competitively, why not suggest ITC into your meta? They nerf the stronger armies such as tau and some parts of eldar. And of course, if you were super competitive, why haven't you changed your army yet? And if you really love your orks so much, why would losing mean so much to you? And if you really want to be competitive with your orks, why are you only whining about losing instead of finding ways to win a game? Write up tactics for your orks for different scenarios. Test out what is best ork for the job.

So what if orks become the best codex one day? Does that mean you'll win all tournaments? And if you lose, you're just gonna blame something else then? Like rolling badly on one instance?

Sometimes the journey is more fun and more fulfilling than the end goal.

Beyond the fact that your being mildly insulting in the first part of your post let me RE-address some of the things already covered which you seem to have glossed over TLDR?

Orks have sucked since 7th dropped. Everyone with a brain could see that, since then they have released 4 count them 4 supplements for the Ork army, each one more atrocious then the last. So how do I know they aren't actively trying to fix the problem? Because they keep releasing more and more garbage.

ITC Does absolutely nothing to help power up the orks, while it does nerf some of the more blatant offenders in the Top Tier army it doesn't alleviate the problems with the Ork Codex therefore it doesn't help them enough to get them close to those power levels, LVO had the top ork player in something like 80+ place.

Why Haven't I changed my Army yet? Well because I am not SUPER competitive, I am just competitive, which is why I am playing a COMPETITIVE game. If I really loved orks why do I mind losing so much? because it isn't fun to show up to a game and spend more time setting up my models for the game then actually using them once the game starts. Ever watched a Green tide run into a Scat Bike spam? 50+ dead orks turn 1.

Why am i whining about losing instead of finding ways to win? Because as I pointed out THE ABSOLUTE BEST the orks could manage at LVO was barely in the top 100. Which means that against the top tier codex's I am almost always going to lose unless they decide to run a fluffy list that doesn't include the most common units in their codices such as Scat Bikes, Wraith Guard, Wraith Knights, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders, Riptides, Stormsurges, Ghostkeels, Broadsides, and the list goes on.

I just ask of you to stop belittling me and the Ork Codex. Their isn't a L2P button I can hit that instantly makes Burna Boyz worth their points, or Nobz or Killa Kanz, Or Deff Dreadz, or Morkanauts, or Gorkanauts or Stompas or Ghazghkuul, or Stormboyz or Burna Bombas, or Dakka Jets or the other 2 Ork Flyers, or weirdboyz.

If that is insulting to you, then you should know what it feels like and what some of us are seeing. And like I said there are many ways to go about playing the game. And anyone with a brain would also stop doing disservice to themselves by wasting time doing something so impractical. Sure if you just stated if you wanted to boycott GW and join another game system, that is FINE. I jumped over to other games systems before as have many other players. But by playing the game and spreading the hate, it becomes oxymoronic and you're seriously wasting your time. Why not spend that time playing a new game? Getting to know more players?

And also, you should play with people who are just as like minded as you. There is no point going into a tournament which people who brings crazy lists to fight, and going to tournies like this means a lower tier army may not even be seen on the table and since you expected it why go in at all? Why not meet people who are willing to bring fun fluffy list who are just as competitive as you? One of my armies is tau, and I can say that if you are playing maelstrom, there is a good chance of orks getting into close combat with tau. And only the storm surge in the army don't get swept when they lose combat.

I'm not belittling you because you don't win as much using an ork codex. On the contrary, if you contact GW directly through email or fb(They are pretty active now) and start to ask them to redress your grievances and give them a set of points logical to what is wrong with the codex now it will be so much more effective and I will also stand by you. (i play pure harlequins too btw)

I do understand many codices are not worth their salt now(looking at CSM) so you can either write to them and see if they are willing to change(which might take a while), whilst playing another game at the moment. Or just complaining and trying to boycott and yet still play the race that is currently bad just because.

@Selym, its not the OP's fault for playing orks. But its not our fault we think that his time should be spent on better things to do, or maybe playing another game.

zerosignal wrote:
The galaxy is a big place.

You will not be missed...

( - shame, but I can see why people would leave. I've decided to stick it out, since I play only with my housemate and a select few mates, and I feel GW are moving slowly in the right direction at the moment... )

Our gaming group will stay.

We play regularly (Wednesday and Saturday) WMH, 40k (mostly apo games), and bolt action. AoS not so much, but we've started a league with 6 players.