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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The game is not intended to be balanced nor is it supposed to a competition between 2 players each trying to win. It's intended for 2 miniature collectors to get together and tell a story using their miniatures. Now, it wouldn't be a very good story if the badguys/gribblies/faceless mooks won so those armies have been designed to be worse than the "hero" armies.

You just gotta accept that 40k is not a wargame. It's storytime. And the story's not about Orks. If you want to play the role of the winner, then play a winner faction.

Ah, yes, the wonderful story of the Wraithknight who could dodge missiles simply by dipping his toe in some ruins. Maybe we can spin an epic yarn about the time Chief Librarian Tigrius didn't know what powers he could harness right up until the moment he got to the battlefield. Oh, and let's not forget the mighty tale of Battle of Plasticia Rockkus where a bunch of Tau Riptides blew up a bunch of Imperial Guard soldiers and vehicles.

40k isn't good for storytime or competitive gaming. It's not really good for... anything.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
I don't think that they'll notice your absence.
I'm not sure what is worse though... someone complaining about how crappy the rules are and continuing to play or someone who is going to go and boycott something but just not from specific sources.
you do realize they still get your money right?

if he DID buy from chinese recasters they wouldnt see a dime of that money. and you can only "not miss" so many people before it affects you. The problem is GW has had alot of those people they wont miss in the last 5-10 years. and while there have been positives since roundtree took over for sink em kirby, it may be a case of to little too late if it does not turn around soon.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Why are you still here on the GW-centric forum if you're "done" with them.

Answer: You're not done. You just want to whine.

So, tell me. Did you actually read the OP or were you in such a desperate need to drop in the snark you just forgot?

SemperMortis wrote:
I have spent to much time and money on my Ork army to just up and leave the community. I am just going to Boycott Games-Workshop products and I am going to actively encourage every player I meet to do the same.

So you're going to continue as part of the community but spread negativity everywhere you go.

Sounds like a great plan.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
I have spent to much time and money on my Ork army to just up and leave the community. I am just going to Boycott Games-Workshop products and I am going to actively encourage every player I meet to do the same.

So you're going to continue as part of the community but spread negativity everywhere you go.

Sounds like a great plan.

He never said he was done with Forge World...

 Scott-S6 wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
I have spent to much time and money on my Ork army to just up and leave the community. I am just going to Boycott Games-Workshop products and I am going to actively encourage every player I meet to do the same.

So you're going to continue as part of the community but spread negativity everywhere you go.

Sounds like a great plan.

One can be part of the WARGAMING community (of which GW is part of) without playing GW games.

GW is finally waking up. They have a LOT of Kirby-turds to clean up before they can be a decent company. I would recommend sticking around for a while...just in case orks get their 7.5 book.

But if you're determined to flounce, go out with style. Send Roundtree a letter (not an email.) He IS a player, supposedly. Make it a good one. There is just the tiniest chance that your input may not fall on deaf ears.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Here's my question on the Wazbomb: Why, WHY would I EVER want one of these things when, RIGHT OVER HERE in the SAME FREAKING KIT we have the Blitza bommer, which is:

1) 45 points(?) cheaper

2) has MORE firepower (a TL supa-shoota and BS3 big shoota >>>>> one BS ONE shot at S4+D6 AP1, and a S7AP2 large blast that only scatters 1d6 >>> S8AP2 TL small blast 99.9999% of the time)

3) Exactly the same defensive stats, minus the KFF..which....why should I care? why do I want a 5++ on a plane with jink anyway?

First your not looking at the whole picture.

The new wing leader abilities can grant +1 S to all weapons or +1 shots to all weapons. Now add one of those to the wazbom. 2 twin linked kmk shots (or 2 teleport blasta shots) , 2 smasha gun shots , and 4 twin linked suppa shoota shots. Or S9 kmk (or teleport blasta) and S4+1+1d6 smasha gun and S7 suppa shoota.

Also there is a formation that is a Wazbom and 3 other flyers that they all get a 3++ in a certian pattern and interceptor.

Also the kff extends 6" around the flyer protecting other units.

You can just look at a unit and say it's garbage untill you see how it gets to interact with other units and in formations/patterns. Or before you even play with the unit.

+1 S and +1 shots per gun is a very nice bonus, but you are also failing to notice that you are required to take a FORMATION to get that bonus. Pretty sure most of those formations require 3 or more flyers. So Your paying for 3 flyers to make 1 of them useful. Furthermore 3 Ork flyers with this new one added in will cost you somewhere around 400pts And here is the best part. They are all AV10 all around. So if you fight against any army with AA or an army that has a good RoF you will lose those 400pts rather quickly. 1 unit of ML Devestators by itself can take down an Ork flyer a turn with slightly above average rolling. Hell the Ork Traktor Kannon will eat that formation, the entire formation, in 2 turns max.

Not a single Ork Flyer is currently worth its points. This new one is just the biggest offender atm.

You don't need the formation to be a wing leader, wings are 1-3 flyers each wing gets a wing leader with a bonus.

A unit of devs is not killing a flyer with a 3++ in a turn. Either is a Traktor kannon. 4 missile flakk shots hits 3 time, of those 3, 2 will glance or pen, with a 3++ Your lucky if one gets through. Not sure how a unit of devs takes a flyer out a turn.

Unless an army has a ton of skyfire that's high S, they will have a hard time dealing with 3++ flyers.

Also if you have a flyer and your opponent does not they get -1 to reserve rolls , goes to a -2 if you have the flyer detachment. Stack that on the -1 on strategic table, giving a reserve style army a -3 to reserve rolls could cripple them.

Darth_Mox wrote:
He never said he was done with Forge World...

They're one and the same.

Grimtuff wrote:
One can be part of the WARGAMING community (of which GW is part of) without playing GW games.

He said that he was going to continue playing 40K whilst telling everyone he could not to support GW.

If he had said that he was going to quit GW and find a new game to support then that's great. Continuing to play 40K whilst being a pit of negativity for everyone around him is quite different. We've already got one Martel...

Honestly don't see the point of threads like this.

Again, just because someone is done with GW or the curent edition of the game ir whatever doesnt mean they cant stick around and enjoy the background universe or discuss other aspects, especially given that most people dont get in more than a handful of games a year

 General Kroll wrote:
Honestly don't see the point of threads like this.

What is the point of any thread?

I've seen hundreds, if not thousands of threads that are more pointless than this one.

Bwtter question is, I don't see the point of replies like yours.

If I played for competition I wouldn't repeatedly fight the same Tau list with my subpar SM lists time after time. I get that Orks are bad, don't get me wrong, but they are the most random army we have.

You're saying stfu you GW?

Sir, may I interest you in SAGA / Frostgrave / Ronin / Lion Rampant? Good rules, nice models, reasonable prices and none of this constant 'update' nonsense meaning new books and supplements being bought every other week.

 jreilly89 wrote:

You play Orks or CSM or DEldar or Guard because you like them, not because they're actually competitive. You play SM, Necrons, Eldar, or Tau if you want to be competitive.

You just listed my forces.... I wish they were competitive

Deleted do to lack of concern.

SemperMortis wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
It happens to us all, go play other better cheaper games and leave GW to rot.

Unless you play Space Elves, Space Marines or Tau. Maybe Necrons as well.

Nah, I played marines and elves and still left the game. The codices don't mean squat when the rules are crap to start with.

Good luck with your journey away from GW. You've taken your first step into a wider hobby ( GW are a part of the wider wargaming hobby, not a hobby unto themselves)

Or, you could wait until they release the ork specific FAQ and see what changes/ eratta are made. You've never been able to assault from scout, the formation is there to get you into prime second turn assault range/ deffrolla threat.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Or, you could wait until they release the ork specific FAQ and see what changes/ eratta are made. You've never been able to assault from scout, the formation is there to get you into prime second turn assault range/ deffrolla threat.

And your not allowed to assault from deep strike or from outflanking and yet a number of armies have access to those very same abilities.

SemperMortis wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Or, you could wait until they release the ork specific FAQ and see what changes/ eratta are made. You've never been able to assault from scout, the formation is there to get you into prime second turn assault range/ deffrolla threat.

And your not allowed to assault from deep strike or from outflanking and yet a number of armies have access to those very same abilities.

maybe but it's still p[retty uncommon and the formations that allow it are considered some of the most powerful in the game

Killing off CSM and Tyranids in a row almost got me quitting that game for good . AdMech-fancodices were the solution. For a while. But that screaming mess, that 40k became since 7th edition did it.
I play 40k about 1-2 times a year now. With a 30k-army. The rest of the time I play 30k only, because its much more fun.
WFB is pretty much dead here. AoS(GWs folly) was dead from the headstart here. Because GW decided to piss off every fething WFB-player here with first ET and than AoS.
KoW became a thing. Firestorm Armada....not so much, sadly.

They have to get it together and don`t write a personel game for Jervis, but for the customers, dammit. FW can do it. Why the heck GW can`t? Its just bonkers.
40k needs a restart, like with the 3rd edition. FaQ-ing only will not rescue that pile.

And yeah. I can turn the game for our new Tau to a freaking nightmare with the Ordo Reductor. But why should I? I want a fun and neat game, not driving him away.
What the hell, we have more and more houserules and restrictions here now than ever before, regarding 40k. 30k needs none.

Sorry for the rant, but the frustration needs to go somewhere.

As much as I can sympathize with wanting a more functional Ork codex, in all fairness, I'm not at all upset about not allowing first turn charges from Scouting battlewagons, that's a definite "if you go first you auto-win the game" ability against many armies.

I'd much prefer to see GW cut out the grossly overpowered crap than spread it around more.

 Wulfmar wrote:
I wish they were competitive

Why? Tau and Eldar are competitive, but no one wants to play against us anymore because of our "OP" books, so our armies gather dust on shelves right alongside the bad, unplayable ones. What good does being competitive do you when you're not even "allowed" to play the game anymore?

Being a top-tier army is a fething curse, just as bad as being bottom-tier. Maybe even worse, because at least with a bottom-tier army you can still participate. Hardly anyone would turn down a game with Orks or Tyranids like they would Tau or Eldar.

 JimOnMars wrote:
GW is finally waking up. They have a LOT of Kirby-turds to clean up before they can be a decent company. I would recommend sticking around for a while...just in case orks get their 7.5 book.

But if you're determined to flounce, go out with style. Send Roundtree a letter (not an email.) He IS a player, supposedly. Make it a good one. There is just the tiniest chance that your input may not fall on deaf ears.

I've sent an email regarding the Ork Orkurion update and my disappointment in it. Whether or not my ideas were passed down to the design team I don't know, but I did read somewhere they they know the Ork Codex is bad, but they didn't know the direction they wanted it to go in.

I rarely play but I paint my CSM army and read lot of books. I don't even have 7th edition rules.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
GW is finally waking up. They have a LOT of Kirby-turds to clean up before they can be a decent company. I would recommend sticking around for a while...just in case orks get their 7.5 book.

But if you're determined to flounce, go out with style. Send Roundtree a letter (not an email.) He IS a player, supposedly. Make it a good one. There is just the tiniest chance that your input may not fall on deaf ears.

I've sent an email regarding the Ork Orkurion update and my disappointment in it. Whether or not my ideas were passed down to the design team I don't know, but I did read somewhere they they know the Ork Codex is bad, but they didn't know the direction they wanted it to go in.

I read that too about their understanding of orks. It was on Faet and the whole post was a rumour at best. To the OP I would say every ork player shares your pain. Things seem to be changing behind the scenes at GW. I suggest you wait and see cos Orks are da best at being da worst so it can only get better from here (or stay the same)

I play at max 1500 points in my group so orks are really barely ok at <1k and tend to suck everywhere else until you get to about 2k where their formations can have a basic synergy. The ironic worst part is that orks take a lot of time to build paint and play by dint of the number of models and are also probably joint worst for real world price per point on the field. Why would anyone start collecting them now?

one problem is, Orks as a whole are at their core supposed to be a very light hearted kitbash friendly race etc. but GW's moving away from that style in general so they're in an oddplace.

now me if I was GW I'd do a digital suplement called "an incomplete loota's guide" that basicly provided stats for a number of "common looted vehicle types as well as guide lines for looting other stuff" so suddenly Orks would have a wide set of rules for new toys. Looted Lemen russes, looted Land Raiders, Looted Chimeras etc.

I'd also introduce a new bit sprue called the "ork looter sprue" that can be ordered on the website. ideally the goal would be to expand ork options and move vehicles.

Okay.

Bye.

Play other non GW games and write your orks off as a loss. Don't waste your time and energy complaining about GW while playing 40k, it's just not going to make things better. Just move on and try other non GW games, you will be a lot happier of a person.

I feel your pain. Everyone arrives at that point for some reason. At least you don't play Sisters, Dark Eldar and Chaos Marines like I do.

The amount of abuse my armies have taken is absurd. And I actually quit 40K for Fantasy for the last 7 years basically to get into something I loved. But then they axed that too and now I'm left with this half baked garbage called AOS.

I basically just collect now. GW basically seems to hate everything I love in this universe and have directly destroyed or ignored all the things that I want.

If you love your orks then you could do alot worse than play Gorkamorka! :-)